gdt 11/23 GDT: Game 24 - Senators 4 @ Red Wings 2

[vladdy16 2,154]

Like I said, he's not making the big saves, but I could care less if he has a .750 sv% as long as he's giving his team a chance to win games.

I think the problem lies in how great he finished out last season and started out this season. He's in a slump, no one can deny that, but everyone wants his head now because he's not playing up to his potential. I guess we wouldn't be Wings fans if we weren't bi-polar. It's frustrating to know we have a goalie who has the ability to steal games and isn't doing it.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I don't care about the stats, they are just that and people who aren't following the games can look at them and act like stats are telling the whole story, which they obviously aren't.

That said with Danny K - the brightest spot - out goaltending needs to be better, no way around that.

Edited November 24, 2013 by frankgrimes

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

A wings dman could skate down and rip a slapshot into there own net and people would still blame Howard.

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[b.shanafan14 733]

Honestly, as goaltending goes, the number one indicator of performance to me is this: when the puck is shot or there is a scrum around our crease, do I find myself expecting a save or a goal?

Howard this season reminds me of Hasek late in 2008. He is number one by default, but I fear almost every shot on goal. When a puck gets by him, he is getting visibly distracted by it, and his performance just continues to slide. We can argue about whether one goal or the next is his "fault", but the fact remains that he isn't out playing the opposition goaltender.

[Dabura 12,207]

Like I said, he's not making the big saves, but I could care less if he has a .750 sv% as long as he's giving his team a chance to win games.

It's not the stats themselves, it's what they're indicative of. They say that Jimmy isn't where he needs to be, which is indeed the reality. He needs to be better.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

Have those wailing for monster forgotten that hes giving up the same soft goals?

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[Dabura 12,207]

Honestly, as goaltending goes, the number one indicator of performance to me is this: when the puck is shot or there is a scrum around our crease, do I find myself expecting a save or a goal?

Howard this season reminds me of Hasek late in 2008. He is number one by default, but I fear almost every shot on goal. When a puck gets by him, he is getting visibly distracted by it, and his performance just continues to slide. We can argue about whether one goal or the next is his "fault", but the fact remains that he isn't out playing the opposition goaltender.

Yes, I'm with you on this.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I couldn't tell you,

I was just going off what I seen on fsd.

The nice thing is that you can watch the goal highlights on NHL.com.

If you do, you'll see that Cleary wasn't even on the ice when Dats got his first -1 (it wasn't Datsyuk's fault either. It was mostly on Tatar).

Whadda you know? Cleary also wasn't on the ice for Dats' -2, when Sekera walked through a sea of Red Wings players.

And how bout that, Cleary wasn't on the ice for the 3rd goal, Dat's -3, when Sekera scored again shorthanded (also Tatar's fault).

So I guess Cleary was doing something from the bench that caused them to score? Because it couldn't be that the bashing here has gotten so bad that people blame him for things when he's not even on the ice.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Kronwall sets the tone for defensive play of the period

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Mick was making it sound like Bert was out because of flu, but didn't they say it's his back? Or did I hear him wrong?

Given Bert's history of back problems, I wish it was the flu.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Neil can go f*** himself going after Zetterberg like that, good on Smith coming in there.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Penalty shot?

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

lol @ mickey talking about smoking pot and listening to acid rock before games

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

5 on 3

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

5 on 3

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Ok no PS

[roboturner 562]

How was that not a penalty shot??

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Don't say Helm hurt I cry

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

That was a dirty slash from Turris.

[NyquistianDeke 43]

f*** Turis... there is no room for that dirty s*** in hockey

[joesuffP 1,746]

I hate kronwall

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

I *hate* that dirty s***. f*** you.

Score here please.

[Dabura 12,207]

Because it couldn't be that the bashing here has gotten so bad that people blame him for things when he's not even on the ice.

While the bashing has gotten out of hand, and I'm probably part of that, the discontent is based in reality, or at least something close to it. The guy's not producing, period, and, beyond MAYBE the PK (and that "veteran leadership" business), he's not contributing anything of real value. He literally looks like a beer leaguer, and, whether it's reprehensible or not, you know that's not going to earn him a lot of praise here. (And, in fact, it's not just this community that rides him hard. My impression is that Wings fans generally are...not enamored of Dan Cleary right now.)

Edited November 24, 2013 by Dabura

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Getting plenty of chances here, just gotta bury them.

[Yeti 244]

dirty