rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 In terms of protecting players heads, the league has been wildly inconsistent (even more than their normal rulings) in how they deal with elbows to the head. I don't think this was like Chelios flying at Propp or anything, but it wasn't accidental either. Cowen clearly chicken-winged and clipped Dats in the head. Now one of the most entertaining players in the NHL is missing games with concussion-like symptoms and we're waiting to see if it means for a few games or if this will impact the rest of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 He'll be fine. Hes a world class talent, tough as nails russian, he took one on the chin. He'll be back weds n prolly score 2 goals. No need to panic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewdanna 143 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 I think the NHL should be looking at the INTENT of Cowan's action. He was trying to hit Pavs in the head... that's the bottom line. 2 Hockeymom1960 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) I am still extremely pissed about this, oh yeah let's wait for the league and hope they'll do something? Do this against the TorontoMapleLeafs and Cowen would leave the game on a stretcher, take a note from them on how to build a team Kenny, seriously our best playera nd probably the guy with the best hands in all of hockey is OUT with concussion like symptoms. Him Danny K, Z and the monster are the only reason why this team is sometimes watchable this season..... 5 days to and counting DOWN to get someone that will strike fear into this joke of an expansion team, even with their tough guys Neil and Kassasian on their team. Whom am I kidding, I am sure because of the "cap" - yeah 0,6 - 1kk - is too much investment in order to proect the team, he will not sign an enforcer. Maybe the Senators need to call up Kassasian too and take Z out with a concussion, even then I am not sure Kenny + the anti fighting/grit crowd will agree with me and to be honest I don't ......care. Get well soon Pasha you are one of the only reasons to watch this soft euro styled edition. Edited November 25, 2013 by frankgrimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 Cowen clearly chicken-winged and clipped Dats in the head. That's what bugs me. That's what people get suspended for and nobody seems to think this was worth taking a look at. 1 datterberg1340 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Crane 289 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 ESPN's power ranking comment for the Red Wings: "Hmmm, wonder if there's a game in Ottawa on Sunday that a certain Red Wing has circled on his calendar?" Fight Line: Bert - Abby - Tootoo Kronwall - Smith Fight starts when someone gets Kronwalled 9 Ally, BadgerBob, puckloo39 and 6 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted November 25, 2013 Pavel will be at the Joe on Tuesday, but not sure if he'll practice. "Feeling better" per the Freep. 1 The Greek reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 2m Ken Holland said Datsyuk feels better but won't play Friday at NYI. Maybe Sunday in Ottawa but not sure yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 Silver lining time: Leave him out until next week and get more out of the secondary scoreres. They'll absolutely have to pick up their game. Weiss, Alfredssonn, Mule, Helm, Nyquist, Tatar. Best case scenario is that this team finds it's scoring legs without Pavel, and are that much better when he comes back. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 Silver lining time: Leave him out until next week and get more out of the secondary scoreres. They'll absolutely have to pick up their game. Weiss, Alfredssonn, Mule, Helm, Nyquist, Tatar. Best case scenario is that this team finds it's scoring legs without Pavel, and are that much better when he comes back. If him and Z wouldn't carrying their lines this team would be even more lost than they already are. Expecting Nyquist and Tatar to bring it every night is unfair, they are still rookies but Alfie and Weiss + Mule have to step up now no question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 If him and Z wouldn't carrying their lines this team would be even more lost than they already are. Expecting Nyquist and Tatar to bring it every night is unfair, they are still rookies but Alfie and Weiss + Mule have to step up now no question. I expect Z to carry this team while Pav's out. But he needs help, big time. Alfie and Mule have been contributing. They need to keep it up, and Weiss needs to pot a few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 Silver lining time: Leave him out until next week and get more out of the secondary scoreres. They'll absolutely have to pick up their game. Weiss, Alfredssonn, Mule, Helm, Nyquist, Tatar. The only one of those who needs to pick it up is Weiss, and he's stuck with Cleary and Sammy for now. Mule - Z - Goose has been a great line, Alfie is 3rd? in scoring, Helm is scoring despite not being a scorer. Tatar could do with a few more points but he had a great game Sunday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) Apparently Shanny was just interviewed on NHL network and called out on the non-suspension for the Dats hit. Sounds like he's catching a ton of flack for not suspending Cowen and admitted he called Holland and apologized. I can't find a link, just people tweeting about it... Example @Kayluvsredwings: Shanny said he called Holland and basically told him his side, but also apologized. Didnt tell us what Holland said back to him. Edit: Hmm... @georgemalik: What happens when Brendan Shanahan calls you to speak about Datsyuks injury/Cowens non-suspension http://t.co/ITPzyv4kta Edit again because I'm cranky about this, but I would have asked Shanny about the "thought process" behind the non-suspension on Weber. But then again I'm a *****, so... Edited November 27, 2013 by BottleOfSmoke 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 @Kayluvsredwings: Shanny said he called Holland and basically told him his side, but also apologized. Didnt tell us what Holland said back to him. "I'M GONNA KICK YOUR TIRES!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 The only one of those who needs to pick it up is Weiss, and he's stuck with Cleary and Sammy for now. Mule - Z - Goose has been a great line, Alfie is 3rd? in scoring, Helm is scoring despite not being a scorer. Tatar could do with a few more points but he had a great game Sunday. Even so, they're all gonna have to push themselves to be (even) better. I'm with zombo: (even) more secondary scoring will only help this team in the long run. With that in mind, the guy who interests me the most right now: Darren Helm. He's not really a second-line center, but more and more I'm thinking he might actually be the right guy for the role. Mental lapses aside, he has really impressed me. And I was already a huge fan. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 27, 2013 So Brendan Shanahan gave George Malik a call: http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/what-happens-when-brendan-shanahan-calls-you-to-speak-about-datsyuks-injury Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 23m Datsyuk said he is feeling a little better but not where he needs to be to play. Doesn't think he's going on trip to NYI and OTT. Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 22m Datsyuk wouldn't comment on Cowen's elbow to his chin or NHL's decision not to suspend him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 I hope the Dept of Player Safety takes this one right in the ass. "Oh, we couldn't have possibly known he was that hurt." And that is why suspensions should be based on intent and legality of the play and not the resulting injury. 3 Hockeymom1960, esteef and Ally reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewdanna 143 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 Helene St. James @HeleneStJames2m Pavel Datsyuk (concussion) not joining #RedWings for trip to Islanders & Ottawa. Will bring total games missed at least to four. No suspension... Great call Shanny 2 Hockeymom1960 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 have a feeling he will be out for a while.... darn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 Kerry Fraser's take on the play, which pretty much sums it up for me: I say it's time to alter the thought process in situations such as this. No matter how you spin it, the irrefutable evidence is that Pavel Datsyuk's head became the sole point of contact when Jared Cowen made a poor decision to extend his elbow and delivered the late, illegal contact. Datsyuk sustained an injury resulting from Cowen's elbow to the head. http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=437641Cowen may not have intended to catch Dats in the head, but he intentionally threw an elbow. When you add to that the league's policy of taking the injury into consideration (which is one I disagree with), Cowen should've been suspended.If he doesn't throw the elbow, there's no concussion regardless of the move Datsyuk made. 3 Dabura, Hockeymom1960 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 You blew another one, Shanny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 So Shanny is basically saying go ahead and throw an elbow when defending Datsyuk cause you can just blame it on his skill afterwards? What a f***in crock! esteef 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted November 28, 2013 So Shanny is basically saying go ahead and throw an elbow when defending Datsyuk cause you can just blame it on his skill afterwards? What a f***in crock! esteef Datsyuk's a diver! 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted November 29, 2013 I hope Big E, Bert, or Smitty runs that dirtbag the first opportunity on Sunday. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
