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#61 Dabura

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:32 PM

@SunGarrioch: Doesn't appear to be any supplementary discipline for Senators D Jared Cowen. No hearing scheduled today. #Sens

 

In a way, I'm glad. I feel like discipline would just lead certain teams to want to take it to us even harder. If that makes any sense.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:23 PM

I know the league is going to ignore this, since Pasha is just a Red Wing and probably we deserve this, somehow.   But I would like to know, personally, if Shanahan thinks this is really OK??  Really??


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

F*** it, I'll do it.  I'll even bring my own jersey.  I can't skate, shoot, or play defensive but I'll swing at anything that gets near Howard or the top two lines.  Dammit this team is a bunch of *******.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

Hahahaha, you don't know Kenny "physical violence makes me wet myself" Holland, do you. The Ottawa players could've had samurai swords decapitating players and Holland would have said that we'll make them pay on the powerplay ... assuming that there were no arrests, which is not a given. 
There is a reason that an elbow to the head of your best player passes without reprisal....
Give an NHL team an inch, they'll punch your grandmother in the back of her head ... or at least Neil would, and probably has - his own. 

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Honestly I can understand why KH is hesitant to add an enforcer to the lineup, the direction the leagues heading is a European style of play, more skill, less grit.
The only problem is its not there yet, and we need someone to protect our small, skilled players.
But I don't think it will happen, just wondering if anyone else has a reason to believe wed try.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:28 PM

I don't expect this to be a popular opinion but I really don't think the elbow was that bad.  It should have been a penalty but no more.

 

It seemed to not fully connect and thus had no real force behind it.  His head barely even moved let-alone snap back.

 

Unfortunately players don't get suspended for intention.  Sure Datsyuk is out today but I think that's just precautionary.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:49 PM

Unfortunately players don't get suspended for intention.

This is what bothers me most about the discipline in the league. If you want to make the game safer you have to punish the hit not the result of it.

Watching McCarty and Kocur and Yzerman makes me crazy nostalgic.

In regards to Cowen's elbow on Pav and the lack of reaction from the guys, brutal and I think if Bert was in Cowen would have had to answer for it. Y'all say that we have nobody who's willing to step up and defend our stars but there's been plenty of games where someone took a run at Dats and Bertuzzi is always there instantly. He might not always drop the gloves but he makes his presence known.

 
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:45 PM

How was that not a blatant hit do the head. Shanny should make a video and try to explain how Cowen was not targeting the head. The leagues inconsistency is so frustrating.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 08:50 AM

Is it wrong of me being more pissed about the non reaction to the Pasha incident than the loss? Having a hard time, liking this team now.

 

Anyway 6 days from now, thats what I want to see:

 

 

 

Yeah with our "tough" give it back lineup…who can fight

Smith ..meh

Big Rig ..meh

Todd..meh

Sammy ..only if he punches a logo 

Cleary ..if they can punch while falling and laying on the ice. 

 

We dont have the Macs, Shannys anymore to quell the BS that we saw Saturday night anymore. 


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:11 AM

I don't expect this to be a popular opinion but I really don't think the elbow was that bad.  It should have been a penalty but no more.

 

It seemed to not fully connect and thus had no real force behind it.  His head barely even moved let-alone snap back.

 

Unfortunately players don't get suspended for intention.  Sure Datsyuk is out today but I think that's just precautionary.

 

It definitely should have been a penalty, as was not.  We agree there.  I also agree that it did not fully connect and could have been much worse.  I do not agree that it had no real force behind it, though.  I don't think Datsyuk would have gone down OR missed the next game (precaution or no) if he didn't feel something there.  His head didn't snap back mostly because it was a glancing blow to the side of the head.

 

Players do not get suspended for intent alone.  The intent was obviously there.  Cowen stuck his elbow out very obviously and it was not a natural thing to do in that situation.  He clearly and purposefully gave Datsyuk the elbow.  And, he connected with it.... to the head.  So, it wasn't just intent.  There WAS intent to hit with the elbow AND the elbow hit the head.  And. Dastyuk missed time as a result of the hit.... while I do not necessarily agree that should come into play when considering the suspension, it very clearly has come into play historically.

 

If Cowen doesn't get suspended, the NHL again proves itself to be a bunch of inconsistent hypocrites. 



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:11 AM

Ohboy, do we need some goons. Sign Ott and Downie next FA, im tired of this bulls***


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:12 AM

 

In a way, I'm glad. I feel like discipline would just lead certain teams to want to take it to us even harder. If that makes any sense.

 

It doesn't make any sense to me.  Please explain.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

Let's keep this thread on topic, and talk about Datsyuk's injury.  Are there any new updates? Babs texted him and said he is doing "just fine".

 

 

I'm thinking about buying tickets for the Bruins game on Wednesday, and Datsyuk playing or not is the dealbreaker.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 01:27 PM

I've read that Cowen won't face supplemental discipline.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 02:04 PM

I've read that Cowen won't face supplemental discipline.

 

You heard correct.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 02:11 PM

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Per Ken Holland: Pavel Datsyuk day to day, feels pretty good, we'll see what tomorrow brings; Todd Bertuzzi out for Wednesday.

 

 

 

In terms of protecting players heads, the league has been wildly inconsistent (even more than their normal rulings)  in how they deal with elbows to the head. 

 

I don't think this was like Chelios flying at Propp or anything, but it wasn't accidental either.  Cowen clearly chicken-winged and clipped Dats in the head. 

 

Now one of the most entertaining players in the NHL is missing games with concussion-like symptoms and we're waiting to see if it means for a few games or if this will impact the rest of his career.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

 

 

In terms of protecting players heads, the league has been wildly inconsistent (even more than their normal rulings)  in how they deal with elbows to the head. 

 

I don't think this was like Chelios flying at Propp or anything, but it wasn't accidental either.  Cowen clearly chicken-winged and clipped Dats in the head. 

 

Now one of the most entertaining players in the NHL is missing games with concussion-like symptoms and we're waiting to see if it means for a few games or if this will impact the rest of his career.

 

:no:


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:14 PM

He'll be fine. Hes a world class talent, tough as nails russian, he took one on the chin. He'll be back weds n prolly score 2 goals. No need to panic.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

I think the NHL should be looking at the INTENT of Cowan's action.  He was trying to hit Pavs in the head... that's the bottom line.



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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:37 PM

I am still extremely pissed about this, oh yeah let's wait for the league and hope they'll do something? Do this against the TorontoMapleLeafs and Cowen would leave the game on a stretcher, take a note from them on how to build a team Kenny, seriously our best playera nd probably the guy with the best hands in all of hockey is OUT with concussion like symptoms. Him Danny K, Z and the monster are the only reason why this team is sometimes watchable this season.....

 

5 days to and counting DOWN to get someone that will strike fear into this joke of an expansion team, even with their tough guys Neil and Kassasian on their team. Whom am I kidding, I am sure because of the "cap" - yeah 0,6 - 1kk - is too much investment in order to proect the team, he will not sign an enforcer.

 

Maybe the Senators need to call up Kassasian too and take Z out with a concussion, even then I am not sure Kenny + the anti fighting/grit crowd will agree with me and to be honest I don't ......care.

 

Get well soon Pasha you are one of the only reasons to watch this soft euro styled edition.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:52 PM

Cowen clearly chicken-winged and clipped Dats in the head.

 

That's what bugs me.  That's what people get suspended for and nobody seems to think this was worth taking a look at.


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