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#61 Franzine

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:48 AM

 

Actually, his numbers are the same as Cleary's.  

 

So sadly, he hasn't been better.  

 

Penetrating analysis.



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:50 AM

i'm thinking weiss could use a confidence booster..
 
i'd love to see what weiss-datsyuk-tatar could do with pav healthy


This line is a good thought on paper and offensively but there wouldnt be any size or grit on that line. Bert needs to be there to create space and provide some size/strength to really open up the ice for pav.

Tatar is like a mini datsyuk and does well making plays/carrying the puck in for the 3rd line. Also top pairing defenseman will eat Tatar for lunch with their size/strength to easily take him off the puck.

Just my opinion.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:51 AM

10 mins a game, all of those shifts with Cleary and Samuelsson. No PP or PK time, why do you think he's invisible? There are flashes every game, but not enough consistently. He's going to get it going eventually, he's too good a player. Hopefully when Datsyuk and Bertuzzi come back Babs does the logical thing and takes out Cleary and Samuelsson and plays Weiss with Datsyuk and Bertuzzi. Not only would be a good opportunity for Weiss, but it won't kill any of the other lines chemistry. 


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:17 PM

Can contracts signed post-lockout/cap decrease be bought out using the amnesty buy out?

 

Not that Holland would do this, and not like I'm saying he should. Just curious.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:26 PM

Can contracts signed post-lockout/cap decrease be bought out using the amnesty buy out?

 

Not that Holland would do this, and not like I'm saying he should. Just curious.

 I kind of thought it had to happen in the off-season - no source to quote on it though.



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:29 PM

 I kind of thought it had to happen in the off-season - no source to quote on it though.


Correct. But amnesty buyouts that weren't used last off season can be used next off-season. Each team gets two total.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:29 PM

 I kind of thought it had to happen in the off-season - no source to quote on it though.


It does have to happen in the off season. The question however, is it possible to buy a player out that was signed post lockout

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 01:27 PM

Weiss #90 suits him, he's playing like a 90 year old out there.. geez i would blow him away with hustle speed shot you name it. I'm baffled as to how this guy ever got a 4+m contract for 5 years. HOW?!?! Watch Datsyuk come back and Andersson get shafted cause of Weiss. 



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 02:47 PM

This line is a good thought on paper and offensively but there wouldnt be any size or grit on that line. Bert needs to be there to create space and provide some size/strength to really open up the ice for pav.

Tatar is like a mini datsyuk and does well making plays/carrying the puck in for the 3rd line. Also top pairing defenseman will eat Tatar for lunch with their size/strength to easily take him off the puck.

Just my opinion.

 

Agree with much, but Tatar isn't a mini-Dats. Not even close. Tatar can't play defense yet and is frequently knocked around by bigger players. He has a lot of offensive capabilities. He's fast, tenacious, and full of energy. He might even have a chip on his shoulder, which can't hurt at 23.

 

Now Nyquist, on the other hand, seems to have some of Datsyuk's stealthy puck-stealing skills.



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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

Weiss can not be bought out because his contact was signed  post lockout

 

edit- unless a normal buy out is used


Edited by mjtm77, 02 December 2013 - 05:00 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 05:00 PM

Weiss #90 suits him, he's playing like a 90 year old out there.. geez i would blow him away with hustle speed shot you name it. I'm baffled as to how this guy ever got a 4+m contract for 5 years. HOW?!?! Watch Datsyuk come back and Andersson get shafted cause of Weiss. 

 

He got that contract based on his history. He had been a very effective player for a long time. Every analyst touted the contract given to him. Unfortunately, he has been inexplicably awful.

 

Weiss is playing on the 4th line, and Andersson is a mainstay on the penalty kill. It'll be Samuelsson or (more likely) Cleary who'll get the boot when Datsyuk returns.


Edited by Crymson, 02 December 2013 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:16 PM

 

Penetrating analysis.

 

Why do I have to penetrate someone?

 

Their stats are similarly putrid, and Cleary actually has a better plus/minus.  Of course Weiss is/should be a a better player at this point in his career, but it hasn't showed at all this year.  

 

Stats aren't everything, but in this case, they are.  Weiss and Cleary were brought in to contribute, and they've both sucked equally.  


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:58 AM

It does have to happen in the off season. The question however, is it possible to buy a player out that was signed post lockout

 

Bingo. That was my question. Yes.

 

Which mjtm77 was able to answer. Thanks.


Edited by rick zombo, 03 December 2013 - 01:10 AM.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 05:04 PM

With Z and Dats both out this is the perfect situation for Weiss to find his game. He will be playing top line minutes with better line mates and simply MUST put up points or we are screwed. If Weiss gets going out of this whole ordeal it may be worth it in the long run.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

If Weiss is ever going to break out, he has to do so when Pav and Z are out. However, since we continue to practice/play Weiss on the fourth line with the other two hanger-on plugs, one could guess that we have already given up on him.

 

I can't for the life of me think why Weiss wouldn't have been promoted during these tough times at center unless he was on his way out after less than 30 games. Don't get me wrong, Weiss has been a terrible disappointment and I have very little faith that he'll significantly snap out of it (read: earn his $5M per year contract), but if you were ever going to test it, now would be the time.



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:21 PM

i dont have any faith in him stepping up with Z and dats out. hope he proves me wrong



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

He seriously needs to change his jersey number. That #90 is cursed



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 07:44 PM

If Weiss is ever going to break out, he has to do so when Pav and Z are out. However, since we continue to practice/play Weiss on the fourth line with the other two hanger-on plugs, one could guess that we have already given up on him.

 

I can't for the life of me think why Weiss wouldn't have been promoted during these tough times at center unless he was on his way out after less than 30 games. Don't get me wrong, Weiss has been a terrible disappointment and I have very little faith that he'll significantly snap out of it (read: earn his $5M per year contract), but if you were ever going to test it, now would be the time.

 

if he was on his way out why would he be on the fourth line...?



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:43 PM

He seriously needs to change his jersey number. That #90 is cursed

can't change numbers in the middle of the season.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:15 PM

Play a skill guy with worthless plugs and you get exactly what we see from Weiss. If we would give him some actual linemates and not have him play with The Uh-Oh Twins, he could get back to where he has always been. Cleary and Samuelsson are two of the worst players in hockey. Sidney Crosby couldn't get those two on the scoresheet. I guess you only get around 30 games or it's to the 4th line with the two biggest anchors in the NHL for you. No wonder nobody wants to come here anymore. The thought of a solid two-way player like Weiss wasting away playing with those mental midgets sickens me.





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