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#341 Nev

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:44 AM

On the bright side, we have the 2nd fewest regulation losses in the East.........:D

 

I know everyone is weeping and wailing over our shoot-out record, but lets be honest if we were 6-0 in the SO people would just be bitching and moaning that our record is artificially inflated, we still suck, will lose in the playoffs etc etc etc.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:05 AM

blame Howard for this one guys..

 

 

 

EDIT: Howie is stuck in the gustavson role from last year. "You didn't play well in that last game so we're not gonna give you consecutive games to get consistent. We'll only play you in the venues that our team somehow plays like s*** everygame (home games this year)"

 

Gus has been stellar, but it's always refreshing hooking up with your girlfriend, but in the end, you always conclude that your wife is better and that you made a huge mistake. 


Edited by CMatt89, 13 December 2013 - 03:19 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:49 AM

I know i will be lambasted for saying this but boy would it be nice to have Brunner in the shootout. I bet we would have won half of these games.

 

 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 04:21 AM

I know i will be lambasted for saying this but boy would it be nice to have Brunner in the shootout. I bet we would have won half of these games.
 
 

Brunner's scoring percentage in the shootout is 22.2%, good for what would be 9th on the Wings.

Edited by nawein, 13 December 2013 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:56 AM

 
EDIT: Howie is stuck in the gustavson role from last year. "You didn't play well in that last game so we're not gonna give you consecutive games to get consistent. We'll only play you in the venues that our team somehow plays like s*** everygame (home games this year)"
 
Gus has been stellar, but it's always refreshing hooking up with your girlfriend, but in the end, you always conclude that your wife is better and that you made a huge mistake.


Howard is injured and has played like twice as many games as Gustavsson. Gustavsson has earned every game he has played this season and has a 1.5GAA in his (recent) two losses. If we were playing to win, it would be Monster's goal to lose as we near the halfway point of the season. He looks like he is going to stop everything, just needs goal support.

Howard has been a dog all season.


Edited by b.shanafan14, 13 December 2013 - 09:28 AM.


#346 b.shanafan14

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:08 AM

Howard 6-8-7 2.65GAA . 910S% (. 400 in shootout)

Gustavsson 8-1-2 1.93GAA .933S% (.778 in shootout)

Pretty glaring.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:08 AM

Howard is injured, not an option right now. He's really gonna be off his game if he starts now with a bad knee.

 

I consider it like this. 

Before the shootout there were ties. Even though people conceive these 11 OT losses as part of our loss total,  before the shootout existed these "losses" would have been ties at the same point total. Only difference is between a tie and a SO loss is the added event after the 5 minute OT period to declare a winner and loser. There is virtually no difference between the tie and the OT loss, it just sounds much better to say 15 wins 9 losses 9 ties opposed to 15 wins 9 losses 9 overtime losses because people like to say "Well thats just like saying we are 15-18 on the season". 

 

It really isn't, because you are still rewarded for the OT loss with a point, and that value hasn't changed at all. So considering the system that is based on points, when you say 15-9-9 with 18 being losses it doesn't sound that great. You look at the point total and it's good enough to be in a respectable playoff position. 

 

Just a different perspective from someone that was a bigger fan of the pre-shootout NHL regular season layout. Its points over wins/losses considering losses can now award you points.

 

I agree with what you're saying. But I'm just talking about the "skill" side of things. The shootout is basically a skills competition, and our big thing, or team identity, is that we kill with skill. How many opposing players and coaches have said, "...and they're a really good team, a lot of skill and talent. If you give them chances like that, they're going to bury them"? I mean, I realize that "skill" means more than just being able to score on a 1-on-1 with the goalie. But still.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:13 AM

Shootout

RND 

1 Datsyuk

2 Tatar

3 Alfredsson

4 Bertuzzi

5 Nyquist

6 Franzen

 

Not. one. goal, scored?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:14 AM

On the bright side, we have the 2nd fewest regulation losses in the East......... :D

 

I know everyone is weeping and wailing over our shoot-out record, but lets be honest if we were 6-0 in the SO people would just be bitching and moaning that our record is artificially inflated, we still suck, will lose in the playoffs etc etc etc.

 

That first point is not insignificant. It means we're really hard to beat in regulation. (And that's mostly without a totally healthy and humming lineup.) Which is encouraging.

 

As for the second point - you're probably right! But I'd rather be 6-0 than 0-6. :paperbag3:  We'd be first in the league if we didn't absolutely suck at shootouts. That's a sobering thought.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:35 AM

As for the second point - you're probably right! But I'd rather be 6-0 than 0-6. :paperbag3:  We'd be first in the league if we didn't absolutely suck at shootouts. That's a sobering thought.

 

Unfortunately, since they are no longer ties, we are leaving points on the table. It has become part of the game, no matter how much we all hate it, and we have the personnel to get it done. And yet here we sit, dead last in the league in OT/Shootout record 1-9. That is 1 out of a possible 10 in "winner" points. To make matters worse, 5 losses have come leading after the 1st period and 4 after squandering a lead through 2 periods.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:30 AM

I know everyone is weeping and wailing over our shoot-out record, but lets be honest if we were 6-0 in the SO people would just be bitching and moaning that our record is artificially inflated, we still suck, will lose in the playoffs etc etc etc.


Both derive from the fact that it's a problem that we can't win in regulation.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

Monster has never put up a whole season with a save% higher than Jimmys career worst season. Right now Gus is on a hot streak and Jimmy is slumping. Odds are that the hot streak will end and so will the slump. Those trying to anoint Gus as the future starter are just silly. 



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:49 AM

Monster has never put up a whole season with a save% higher than Jimmys career worst season. Right now Gus is on a hot streak and Jimmy is slumping. Odds are that the hot streak will end and so will the slump. Those trying to anoint Gus as the future starter are just silly. 

 

Gus always had it in him to be a great goalie, even fans in Toronto knew it. Francois Allaire ruined him, like he has many goalies before. Most Leaf fans will tell you exactly that.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

Monster has never put up a whole season with a save% higher than Jimmys career worst season. Right now Gus is on a hot streak and Jimmy is slumping. Odds are that the hot streak will end and so will the slump. Those trying to anoint Gus as the future starter are just silly.

Yes most likely Gus will not be at this level all year, but he's not a bad goalie. He had a lot of personal and physical problems in Toronto on top of playing behind a poor team with tons of pressure. And it seems Allaire was completely wrong for him. I saw him in Sweden before he came over and I followed him closely in Toronto. This year he looks much more like the 'Monster' he was in Sweden than he's ever done before in the NHL. With Howard signed for many years to come and hopefully just in a slump and Mrazek coming from below I don't see Gus as a long-term solution, but it's not crazy to think he could be our starter this season/playoffs without it completely killing our chances.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:48 AM

Jimmy hasn't stopped two consecutive shootout attempts his whole career!

C'mon, you can't just say things that aren't true. This season, jimmy has definitely been bad in the shootout. But, that doesn't mean Howard was never good in them. He actually still has a decent career save percentage in the SO despite saving less than half of the attempts, this season. That means his SO numbers were actually good, once upon a time.

Edited by The Greek, 13 December 2013 - 12:06 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:52 AM

Monster has never put up a whole season with a save% higher than Jimmys career worst season. Right now Gus is on a hot streak and Jimmy is slumping. Odds are that the hot streak will end and so will the slump. Those trying to anoint Gus as the future starter are just silly. 

And those coming up with every excuse about Howard playing like crap even before his injury is just silly.


Edited by hillbillywingsfan, 13 December 2013 - 11:52 AM.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:02 PM

We are all fans and no real fan would say Jimmy Howard is trash and I hope someone kills off his bloodline because that's absurd. I'm a fan of hockey and I could care less about what these guys do in their spare time. Of course giving to charities and visiting people that are terminally ill are amazing gestures. But I watch this because it is an entertaining sport and to see how well these guys that are out there can perform. If Jimmy doesn't perform well on ice than he has to sit and we hand it over to whomever is winning. We did it with Hasek and Ozzie. Fans on these forums wanting Howard to sit does not make them any less of a fan than the guys that love him. Took 8 rounds to beat Gus last night in the shootout. He's been solid and deserves to start. Just because he came here to backup Jimmy doesn't mean he sucks. I'm really happy he is playing well because if he wasn't, we'd be the laughing stock of the Eastern Conference today.
I'm shocked how bad our guys are in the shootout. It looks like Datsyuk is being blackmailed by mobsters. All our big guns were in and they were pooped on by Bishop. Maybe we should send out Kronwall and Quincey in the next shootout. I hope we fix a few things and take it to Pittsburgh.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:18 PM

C'mon, you can't just say things that aren't true. This season, jimmy has definitely been bad in the shootout. But, that doesn't mean Howard was never good in them. He actually still has a decent career save percentage in the SO despite saving less than half of the attempts, this season. That means his SO numbers were actually good, once upon a time.

 

It was hyperbole, but the recent trend is not good for Howard in shootouts. He wasn't bad in his first season with the Wings, but lost more than he won. 2010-11 and 2011-12 were good seasons for him and he performed admirably in the shootout. Since then, his performance has dipped dramatically.

 

Last season, he ended up with a 1-5 shootout record with a .579S%, allowing 8 goals on 19 attempts. This season he has been even worse, as discussed above. We are about to enter 2014 and since October 2012 his record in the shooutout is 1-9 with a .517S%, allowing 14 goals on 29 shots.

 

It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league, especially at the goaltending position.







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