GDT 12/23 GDT : Islanders 3 at Red Wings 0

[King Crane 289]

Can someone do a fancy stats report on how many goals against and standings points Quincey has cost us this season? And maybe throw in Smith, since they're partners in crime.

I added it all up. He's been on the ice for 21 goals against this season. I think it's shockingly low, but I wouldn't be surprised if he screwed up a line change and allowed more goals than the stats indicate (a.k.a. "The Cleary Special")

[Dabura 12,207]

I added it all up. He's been on the ice for 21 goals against this season. I think it's shockingly low, but I wouldn't be surprised if he screwed up a line change and allowed more goals than the stats indicate (a.k.a. "The Cleary Special")

That's fewer than I'd thought. BUT, I think we'd have to go beyond just the number, not necessarily to suit my case against Quincey but because I'm actually genuinely interested. Like, How many of those 21 goals against were scored in very close losses? If the answer is not many, maybe Quincey really isn't all that bad for the team. Or maybe we just need higher quality statsification.

Maybe I'll look into it tomorrow.

[CaliforniaWingsFan 464]

Brutal game wow. If I had to bet someone I would say they miss the playoffs this year. Just no heart or motivation to win whatsoever.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Wow. What a s*** show. The only butt pats I'm giving out tonight are to myself for schlepping my ass down there, standing at the east entrance in the dark for 15 minutes due to a power outage at the Joe, and not punching the douchebro next to me who literally did not stop talking the entire time I was in his presence.

*middle finger*

Merry ******* Christmas.

[Nev 1,085]

Good on the Wings to show some genuine care and frustration as the game winded down by finishing every check hard and getting in the face of the Isles.

...oh..

To what end? The way to show you care is by outplaying your opponent from the off, not punching them in the face because they're better than you.

[King Crane 289]

That's fewer than I'd thought. BUT, I think we'd have to go beyond just the number, not necessarily to suit my case against Quincey but because I'm actually genuinely interested. Like, How many of those 21 goals against were scored in very close losses? If the answer is not many, maybe Quincey really isn't all that bad for the team. Or maybe we just need higher quality statsification.

Maybe I'll look into it tomorrow.

The other factor I forgot to consider is that power kill goals against do not count towards +/-, so it is probably much worse than this.

Another stat I would love to see, but would be hard to calculate, would be what is how many goals against occur when Quincey and Cleary are on the ice together? Quincey and Smith?

In terms questioning whether it's coincidence or if he is the problem, just watch him during the games. Next to Cleary he is the laziest player on the ice. I do not just mean he is slow. Quincey is lazy in every aspect of the game, failing to make plays, and relies heavily on his line-mates. He does everything really half-assed.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

So I get to see 1 game each year at the Joe when I go home for Christmas. And, hey, this was it this year. Not the best game to say the least.

Some observations:

They were with 5 D because of Big Rig's injury for half the game, but weirdly enough, the really bad defensive breakdowns came at the beginning when they were full strength.

Hate it when the home crowd boos. I think it just accomplishes nothing. It's a lot of young player that need confidence and the support from fans.

Lots of shots from the perimeter, but not enough forcing pressure in the slot.

Dats really didn't get much support...44+13 often = success but the equation wasn't right tonight

Helm's my fav...thought he was supposed to be back...damn

Was really excited to see Mrazek, but didn't work out great for him

Edited December 24, 2013 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Well I wish everyone a merry Christmas I will see you again before new years

[esteef 2,679]

esteef

[Dabura 12,207]

To what end? The way to show you care is by outplaying your opponent from the off, not punching them in the face because they're better than you.

Well said. I've never really understood that mentality. I get wanting to show pride and all that, but my impression - from watching and playing - is that it tends to make you look even more pathetic. You got thrashed, yo. Play hard to close it out, but don't throw a tantrum like the Anaheim Ducks are known to do (unless you're doing it on an internet forum after the fact!)

[JasonNewEra 84]

Feels more appropriate as time goes on.

[ben_usmc 253]

I can't remember exactly who it was but on NHL radio earlier yesterday two former players were talking about games before chrismtas. One stated "he really couldn't get into the game because his mind was so jacked to see family, some cases being the only time in a year. So, and it's probably not what fans want to here before some games, but I believe most players are that way."

The show was on about 930-1000 but I didn't catch who was talking.

[ahkmed 25]

I added it all up. He's been on the ice for 21 goals against this season. I think it's shockingly low, but I wouldn't be surprised if he screwed up a line change and allowed more goals than the stats indicate (a.k.a. "The Cleary Special")

Don`t know how you got to this number, but according to behindthenet.ca he was on the ice for 27 even strength GA and 9 PK GA in 36 games. Add 3 EV GA from the Islanders, 2 EV GA from the Leafs, and 1 PK GA from the Flames game and you get a total number of 32 EV GA and 10 PK GA, ahead of Kronwall (27 EV, 8 PK) and Andersson (24 EV, 10 PK) by a great margin, considering his low offensive input. I think it`s safe to say this guy is poison.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

I can't remember exactly who it was but on NHL radio earlier yesterday two former players were talking about games before chrismtas. One stated "he really couldn't get into the game because his mind was so jacked to see family, some cases being the only time in a year. So, and it's probably not what fans want to here before some games, but I believe most players are that way."

The show was on about 930-1000 but I didn't catch who was talking.

That's why choose your games wisely. When in the West I'd never go see a game after time they came back because most of the time they lose and before the holidays.

[DinoTootoo 1]

Two wins in a row with Tootoo, Tootoo goes down back to GR, big fat ugly loss. babcock should try Tootoo in front of the net in the same way Homer/Dino were used by Scotty.

WHY IS CLEARY STILL ON THE ICE? He is ok in the defensive zone, absolutely lousy in the offensive zone. Quincey /Smith are still struggling. Some of their struggles are due to the forwards not back checking well (or fore checking), but come on, just get into your position already and stop trying to do to much. Bert was awful last night too!

Sit Quincey for Kindl. With Ericsson out, bring up Sproul (if they can with cap limitations and all).

[Red Crazy 201]

I am starting to think this teams problems are a lot to do with the way this team is ran by Bab`s and Holland. Its clear that Bab`s has his favorites and will play those guys before players that are working twice as hard and have more value to the team. What kind of message does this send to the rest of the team? Smith, Quincey and Cleary where -7 in the first period and didn't miss a shift. Because of all the injuries and call ups we now know that we have lots of players that are NHL ready. I am going to hate seeing these guys get sent down so Cleary and Sammy can keep there roster spots. And don't give me the cap bs if Holland wanted these 2 gone he would find away. Holland made a big mistake signing Sammy, Cleary and Quincey. its time to admit it and make moves. Its a good thing this team is in the east because they would not make the playoffs in the west.

[LeftWinger 4,949]

Yes they can bring up Ouellet if needed, they have $7M in cap space as of today with all the LTIR. Bring Tootoo back up as well. I would sit BOTH Q and K and bring up Ouellet and one of Sproul/Marchenko/Almquist...

Babcock, it's time to sit Cleary. Damn, at least sit one of Cleary or Bertuzzi....Tootoo deserves to be in this lineup.

[Guest RyaN_84]

Wow. What a s*** show. The only butt pats I'm giving out tonight are to myself for schlepping my ass down there, standing at the east entrance in the dark for 15 minutes due to a power outage at the Joe, and not punching the douchebro next to me who literally did not stop talking the entire time I was in his presence.

*middle finger*

Merryf****** Christmas.

lol someone's mad.....

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

lol someone's mad.....

I would have been too.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

I hate that my humor doesn't always come through on here.

That being said, when I only get to go to one game a year at the Joe and that's the effort they put in?

I'm mad bro.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

I'm hoping you're not "Jeff O'Neill mad".

Players...throwing a game? I am shocked.

[Dabura 12,207]

Players...throwing a game?

Actually, this would explain everything.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

That may have been the most boring and lackluster game I've ever been to. And I've been to plenty of games.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

This unbelievably lousy record at Home got me wondering....which generally leads to looking.

After twenty-two Home games, with a Game Differential of -4, this is the third worst record in Club history, behind only1926-27 (-10) and 1985-86 (-9).

For the record, there have only been eleven negative Game Differential seasons total after twenty-two Home games in a season and five seasons breaking even.

I'm damn near speechless.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Two wins in a row with Tootoo, Tootoo goes down back to GR, big fat ugly loss. babcock should try Tootoo in front of the net in the same way Homer/Dino were used by Scotty.

I have been thinking the same thing actually. Tootoo's got decent hands, it could be worth a shot.