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#41 shdwx14

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:40 PM

I would love being able to trade Cleary for Ott.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:12 PM

I hope so but doubt it
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#43 BadgerBob

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:20 AM

Detroit isn't an elite team. They are literally middle of the pack, at 15th out of 30 teams in league. I say go for bust and line up for the McDavid lottery. I am not down on Howard, but, people either severely over rate him or underrate him. He's a Chris Osgood, not a Manny Legace or a Hasek. He's going to be pretty good most of the time, great sometimes, but, beyond that a product of the team that's in front of him.

 

Sadly, this seems to be the only way to obtain an elite roster. Look at Pittsburgh, Chicago, Colorado, and even St. Louis to a degree. They all had multiple bad seasons and picked up a core of top guys and then simply added affordable pieces around them. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see in any of our prospects steals like Datsyuk and Zetterberg in them, although Mantha has looked impressive so far.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:52 AM

Trade? Sure. But as always to get high end talent, you have to pay for it. Now if you look at our team you see a bunch of role players, a few stars-all 32 or older, and a bunch of young talent under 25. We have no stars between 25 and 32. There is a big hole in that regard. The real question is what do you give up?

if you look at next year, we currently have 14 forwards under team control for the 14/15 season: datsyuk, Z, franzen, Weiss, 22, Abby, helm, tatar, nyquist, Jurco, Sheahan, Anderson, Miller, and Glendening. That about empties GR of NHL ready talent at F. Maybe Puk and jarnkrok but both look like they need another year or 2. Mantha is coming, but he needs a full year in pro hockey before he joins the varsity.

On D it is pretty much the same. Kronwall, Ericsson, DD, lashoff, Smith, and Kindal are all under control for next season, with almquist, Oullett, marchenko, and Sproul looking like they are ready for next season.

That doesn't leave much room to add players. But we do need to do so.

if you are looking at where we have a surplus it is on the D. With the new rules in the CBA you only have 3 years of minor league control, then players have to make the varsity or you lose them. we have 10 Dmen that are or are really close to being NHL ready. That means we have 2 extra that we can move. Now if we were to take a Kindal and say Almquist, what could we get for them? Don't know. But that is the type of package we can put together to pick up another player. What do we need? IMHO RW's with size and scoring ability. Out of the 14 forwards that could make our lineup next year, only 2 are RHed.



#45 stillwater

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:17 PM

With the new rules in the CBA you only have 3 years of minor league control, then players have to make the varsity or you lose them.


I'm sorry, but I think that is patently false.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:47 PM

I am not a CBA expert, but the rules did change on this. IIRC and trust me I could be wrong, once a player signs his first contract, there is a 3 year window before waivers are required.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:14 PM

I don't think we need a trade to be honest. Our "core" of players is pretty great, especially at forward:

-Zetterberg
-Datsyuk
-Alfie
-Franzen
-Nyquist
-Tatar
-Bertuzzi
-Helm
-Andersson
-Abby

I'm sure 25 other coaches in the league would love to play with this roster-note who I didn't mention...On D I think we are pretty solid too & trading Howard is not the way to go, he has slipped this far but I wager he bounces back and will be undoubtedly ready for the spring.

In all I feel health (obviously) is our main issue, we have the ability to ice perhaps the most offensively deep lineup when 100% healthy-will that ever happen? Here is hoping because I LOVE this team LGW!


-Edit: on second thought I would like to trade Wiess & Cleary for Brunner. Thank you :)
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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:43 PM

I am not a CBA expert, but the rules did change on this. IIRC and trust me I could be wrong, once a player signs his first contract, there is a 3 year window before waivers are required.

 

 

Not that simple.  There's many factors including age, position and games played.

 

For example:

 

18 year old Goalie - 6 years exemption - 80 NHL games allowed.

 

18 year old Player - 5 years exemption - 160 NHL games allowed.

 

21 year old Goalie - 4 years exemption - 60 NHL games allowed.

 

21 year old Player - 3 years exemption - 80 NHL games allowed.


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