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#21 sjr2012

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:11 PM

Zetty is my favorite and maybe its not fair for me saying he is the best but he IS zetty works better under pressure and I believe coming into a two way playertype he excels just slightly over pavs I think pavs is the best SCORER on the team I mean the way he moves is out of this world and he just 9 out of 10 puts it in the net but Z is the better leader all and all im glad we have them both


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#22 nawein

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:16 PM

This is a weird situation. I do think Pav is the more skilled player but Z can carry a team as you guys already said. The awesome thing to me is Pav is more skilled but Z seems to be able to literally make his team win games late in the season and playoffs. He wins games by himself. So who's better? Z. Who's flashier and more naturally skilled? Pav. The best part is we got em both.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

For the better portion of several years I've felt Dats has outshined Hank...Adding the # of games missed to injury - Dats value escalates even more since he rarely misses games.

 

To top it off...Dats has 3 Selke awards in his defense...Get it? yuk yuk yuk.

 

The defense point is valid, Dats definitely has more hardware.  But the injury point isn't.  Zetterberg came into the league a year after Dats (who played 70 games his rookie year).  Excluding that year, Dats has played one fewer game than Zetterberg since 2002-2003.  So it's basically a wash. 


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:02 PM

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:40 PM

I'm not smart enough to evaluate and determine who's the better player but I will say that I feel Z has carried the load a little more throughout their careers than Pav has (off the top of my head I can only think of one playoff series against the Sharks that Pav stood out more). I also feel that despite the hardware Pav has, the opposing team seems to get more pissed off going up against Z.

 

Perhaps Pav stands out more to most fans and TV personalities because of his flashiness and his elite takeaway ability, but you can't ignore the fact that Babcock most of the time seems to go to Z's line (when they're split up) to shut down the other teams top line, and also can't ignore that people like Gretzky and Crosby have claimed that they would pick Z #1 to build a hockey team around.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:47 PM

Datsyuk has been better for many years, but this season, Zetterberg has been better and more important.  Just seems that way.  Maybe it's because Datsyuk has been stuck with Bertuzzi, Abby or Cleary for more games.  Or maybe not. 


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:57 AM

Regular season - Datsyuk

Playoffs - Zetterberg

 

What I find interesting is that Zetterberg has a Thornton-Cheechoo ability to make his linemates better that Datsyuk doesn't.  Whereas when you put better players with Dats, their points and goals go up, but average players don't. Basically to play with Dats I think you need to have the skills and hockey IQ to take advantage of what he does, whereas Z's success comes in large part from his hard work and strength on the puck and you can stick almost anyone with him and make a decent line.

 

Hull, Shanahan, Hossa, Zetterberg have all seen spikes in their goals when playing with Dats.  Even Bertuzzi, I think plays so well with Dats because he still has the hands and the hockey IQ that Abdelkader doesn't.  Its why I think Pav needs more Aldredsson on his line.


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#29 Spongewingredpants

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:28 AM

Zetterberg vs. Dats is like No. 19 vs. Feds

 


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:48 AM

Zetterberg is not as flashy. But if you pay attention to what he does you really see how smart a player he is, plus he's an absolute beast on the puck. I have never seen a player hold onto and defend a puck like this guy. Overall I think he is far underrated compared go Datsyuk, but I do give Datsyuk the edge if you twist my arm.

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#31 Spongewingredpants

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 08:08 AM

i watched Zetterberg play here in Zug last season. He was always in full control. On a side note. he and Brunner where amazing together


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:37 AM

I always give the nod to Zetterberg. I love Dats gets a bit cold come playoff time. He's obviously more skilled and he's also amazing. He's flashier, dazzles, stick handles usually in high gear. Probably less injury prone too. I don't think people that aren't Wings fan understand how awesome Zetts is though. He just makes things happen. He is very clutch, he takes mean hits, backchecks, he's a streaky scorer for a playmaker. I see Dats sometimes in the playoffs and he will try to make too many dekes and turn the puck over in big games and sometimes you don't even hear his name mentioned. It's a difficult choice but Zetts just seems to do a bit more and work harder when it counts. I think that's why he's the C. 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 01:10 PM

Simple:  All things considered, who's the better player.  Knee jerk is obviously Datsyuk because of his skill level, but I've been thinking about it and conclude that Zetterberg is the better player.  Skill alone doesn't make one better.  Their points per game are nearly the same, very slight edge to Datsyuk.  Both are extremely good defensively.  Datsyuk has the hardware and the takeaways but in my opinion Zetterberg gets the tougher defensive matchups as evidenced by his shutting down Crosby in the finals in 08 and 09, and doing the same to Toews last season.  Datsyuk is the better passer while Z is the better goal scorer, though neither are too shabby in either department.  Both makes their linemates better.  Z is (in my opinion) more versatile, able to play both center and the wing with equal aplomb.  Dats hasn't ever shown much from the wing.  Finally, intangibles.  Zetterberg ALWAYS rises to the occasion, scoring key goals when it matters and is a playoff beast.  Dats is by no means bad in the playoffs, but Z is a monster.  Also, Z seems to have the ability to carry the team on his back for extended periods and generally relishes the role.  Finally, Z's got the leadership capacity in spades.  Dats leads by example, Z in every way possible. 

 

So, your thoughts?

 

I'd actually say Z is the better passer. Dats makes some pretty passes but I think Z is technically better and does it more often. At a push I'd probably also say Dats has the better shot, and he's only recently starting to use it more. I don't know if that makes him the better scorer, but he certainly has the moves and (I'd say) a better shot.

All told I'd say Z edges it for that je ne sais quoi. Literally. I don't know what it is that makes me say that, just something tells me it's what I should say.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 01:29 PM

Neither Datsyuk nor Zetterberg are more injury prone than the other.  Literally one game separates them in the years since Zetterberg came into the league.  And it's actually Datsyuk that has fewer games.  So there might be a million reasons to say one is better than the other, but injury proneness isn't one of them.


Edited by kipwinger, 03 January 2014 - 02:35 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 09:00 PM

Neither Datsyuk nor Zetterberg are more injury prone than the other.  Literally one game separates them in the years since Zetterberg came into the league.  And it's actually Datsyuk that has fewer games.  So there might be a million reasons to say one is better than the other, but injury proneness isn't one of them.

I might be wrong, but it seems Hank misses a handful of games here, and there where as Dats will miss a long stretch at a time.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 10:53 PM

I think Z can carry the team by himself better than datsyuk can. 

Z has another level he can go to whether its playoff time or they have datsyuk or other top 

i feel the team wins more when Z is playing and datsyuk is out. someone bring up that stat wins without datsyuk with Z playing and wins without zetterberg with datsyuk playing

Z can score hattricks.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 11:44 PM

I agree this year that Z seems to be able to carry the team more than Datsyuk, and is able to match the adversity better, but in the 2011 playoffs, Datsyuk reached a level that I haven't seen repeated by any player since then, particularly against the Sharks.  He also scored the sickest backhand goal I have ever seen that series, which is just bonus points.  I don't know if we're only talking this season in this topic, but even so, its still cool to look back at how dominant Pavs was that postseason.


Edited by Echolalia, 04 January 2014 - 11:46 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:08 AM

Zetterberg plays without Dats in the team and he gets Alfredsson and Nyquist on his wing, Dats gets Abby and Bert. 



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:26 AM

Regular season - Datsyuk

Playoffs - Zetterberg

 

What I find interesting is that Zetterberg has a Thornton-Cheechoo ability to make his linemates better that Datsyuk doesn't.  Whereas when you put better players with Dats, their points and goals go up, but average players don't. Basically to play with Dats I think you need to have the skills and hockey IQ to take advantage of what he does, whereas Z's success comes in large part from his hard work and strength on the puck and you can stick almost anyone with him and make a decent line.

 

Hull, Shanahan, Hossa, Zetterberg have all seen spikes in their goals when playing with Dats.  Even Bertuzzi, I think plays so well with Dats because he still has the hands and the hockey IQ that Abdelkader doesn't.  Its why I think Pav needs more Aldredsson on his line.

Agreed. Z can make Drew Miller look like a top 6 forward at times. I think Z adjusts his style more to fit his linemates. So if he is paired with grinders he cycles deep and grinds it out whereas when he plays with Dats he plays much more cerebral out there. He can switch it on and off every shift. Datsyuk pretty much plays the same no matter what is line mates are. At least this is what I see. Its open to interpretation. 


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:51 AM

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