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#1 locktalk

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:36 AM

Does anyone have a link they could post?

Thanks for your help



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:42 AM

No, but I'm going to use this thread for discussion since there's no other thread up yet. Overall, I was very disappointed. It seems they covered the Leafs in an entirely different way than the Wings. Whether that was by choice or necessity, I don't know. No Pasha. Their coverage of the WC was dumbfounding to me. How do you film an event in a stadium the size of the Big House and not make the crowd a character? There were only a few close up crowd shots. No sweeping stadium shots, no pauses for the thunderous applause after goals were scored. I don't get it.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:49 AM

I don't, but I'll use this as the discussion thread if you don't mind, and if there is a link, someone will post it.  But it seems like they've cracked down on it being online.

 

In any case, episode 4 was mildly interesting, getting a little more into the Dad's trip.  I kind of feel like Babs has used this as Cleary PR to show his toughness and his leadership.  He has played better of late, but still would not break my heart to see him go.

 

In general, for me, the series was a bit of a disappointment.  Just little bits and pieces and teases, but they'd never really explore any story line enough.  Just not very in depth or anything different or things that we haven't seen before. I'm not offended at all by salty language, I'm quite adept at using the f word, but even I got sick of it this episode.  Just too much.

 

I looked so forward to this for 2 years and it was pretty much a let down.  What did I expect?  I don't know, just more and better, I guess.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:03 AM

've  only seen the last few minutes this morning and I agree with the guys, "We have to shake hands"?  Why?  This is still a regular game.  I understand that this is the NHL's orchestrated promotion of the game but I thought it was stupid. 



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:10 AM

I don't, but I'll use this as the discussion thread if you don't mind, and if there is a link, someone will post it.  But it seems like they've cracked down on it being online.

 

In any case, episode 4 was mildly interesting, getting a little more into the Dad's trip.  I kind of feel like Babs has used this as Cleary PR to show his toughness and his leadership.  He has played better of late, but still would not break my heart to see him go.

 

In general, for me, the series was a bit of a disappointment.  Just little bits and pieces and teases, but they'd never really explore any story line enough.  Just not very in depth or anything different or things that we haven't seen before. I'm not offended at all by salty language, I'm quite adept at using the f word, but even I got sick of it this episode.  Just too much.

 

I looked so forward to this for 2 years and it was pretty much a let down.  What did I expect?  I don't know, just more and better, I guess.

 

I agree with this. I haven't watched Episode 4 yet, but the series was kind of a let down from what I was expecting. After the 3 months of filming you would figure everyone would have a part in the series but that's not the case. Way too many replays of the games we already knew the outcomes to, it's cool you got to see what happens on the ice but I wanted more in depth views.

 

I think the first couple were the best because they seemed to be alot more open, this one just didn't work out.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:05 PM

They need to do more slow motion shots for next season's 24/7.  There weren't enough of those.    :sleepy:


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:09 PM

Oh, and more scenes of random kids skating on outside. 



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:24 PM

I want to know who writes the narration.  Could that crap get any more trite?  I'm surprised Schrieber got half that stuff out with a straight face.

"....now, tomorrow at the Big House could be more than just fun, but also the first day of the rest of their season."  

 

I don't think there's any way anyone could capture the excitement of this for Wings and Leafs fans.  There's just no explaining it.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:25 PM

I was under the impression that when the NHL awards a team the Winter Classic, that the HBO thing is part of the deal and you somewhat agree to the constant filming and everyone is pretty much expected to participate.  While of course you can't film everyone in every situation, I felt like the Wings put too much of a damper on the filming and the "unlimited access" wasn't that at all. I don't know if that's just that they have a lot of modest Europeans or the team itself put a lockdown on the filming and didn't want the Wings to appear to be anything but the model franchise. To whoever said the Leafs were portrayed differently, I agree.  But that may be in part to the team itself.  The Leafs seemed young, hip and cool, the Wings seemed old, boring and business like.  The event itself met my expectations and even the Alumni games were far more enjoyable than I had anticipated.  But if Wings fans were bored and disappointed in this, I can't imagine how other fans or potential hockey fans think. 



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:48 PM

I can't believe they didn't have any coverage of the alumni games. They showed Mario skating for like five minutes during the Pittsburgh Classic a few years ago, why not this year? I was highly anticipating seeing interviews with the Russian Five.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:17 PM

I was under the impression that when the NHL awards a team the Winter Classic, that the HBO thing is part of the deal and you somewhat agree to the constant filming and everyone is pretty much expected to participate.  While of course you can't film everyone in every situation, I felt like the Wings put too much of a damper on the filming and the "unlimited access" wasn't that at all. I don't know if that's just that they have a lot of modest Europeans or the team itself put a lockdown on the filming and didn't want the Wings to appear to be anything but the model franchise. To whoever said the Leafs were portrayed differently, I agree.  But that may be in part to the team itself.  The Leafs seemed young, hip and cool, the Wings seemed old, boring and business like.  The event itself met my expectations and even the Alumni games were far more enjoyable than I had anticipated.  But if Wings fans were bored and disappointed in this, I can't imagine how other fans or potential hockey fans think. 

 

I agree.  Our team is a bunch of boring personalities.  Should have brought back the Swedish bikini team and followed them instead.  


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 10:52 PM

Like others have already mentioned - what we saw of the Wings was a bit of a let down...The final episode with Kessel/Bozak was pretty funny; just a couple of young guys with a ton of $$$ just doing 'normal' stuff when they have free time; playing games, watching tv, going out to eat, and sleep.



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:25 PM

We've seen and heard Datsyuk during interviews... He's very quick, funny and witty, but you notice he's obviously not that comfortable with the spotlight, so I guess he didn't want to be a big part of that series.

I also think Babcock's got something to do with this, and I agree with that strategy to protect your best players' state of mind. Bowman did the same thing during his playoff years, where you seldom heard from Shanny, Yzerman, Lidstrom etc. It was mostly Drapes, Homer and some other role players getting interviewed.

 

You have to agree having a full camera crew shoving their cameras into your face and into your house for extended periods can be unstabling (not that it's ever happened to me, but I can imagine they want to keep their routine and/or personal lives private)


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:21 AM

I was under the impression that when the NHL awards a team the Winter Classic, that the HBO thing is part of the deal and you somewhat agree to the constant filming and everyone is pretty much expected to participate.  While of course you can't film everyone in every situation, I felt like the Wings put too much of a damper on the filming and the "unlimited access" wasn't that at all. I don't know if that's just that they have a lot of modest Europeans or the team itself put a lockdown on the filming and didn't want the Wings to appear to be anything but the model franchise. To whoever said the Leafs were portrayed differently, I agree.  But that may be in part to the team itself.  The Leafs seemed young, hip and cool, the Wings seemed old, boring and business like.  The event itself met my expectations and even the Alumni games were far more enjoyable than I had anticipated.  But if Wings fans were bored and disappointed in this, I can't imagine how other fans or potential hockey fans think. 

 

You’re saying that the Leafs players are “cooler” and more “hip” than Wings players? 

 

Yes. The Leafs came off differently because Phanuef, Lupul, and Kadri are all members of Radiohead. It had absolutely nothing to do with editing.

 

Kadri’s getting his car with Jai Paul’s super-slick “BTSTU” song playing in the background (even though Kadri probably hasn’t even heard of Jai Paul) vs Helm, Smith, Dekeyser, and Abby eating ribs and fish tacos? 

 

Or how about Phanuef, selecting his suit and bow tie to epic synth M83-style music? Howf****** funny is that? Knowing Dion is part cave-man. 

 

That’s all HBO image-crafting and editing. It has way more to do with their idea of presentation than it does with The Leafs players being hip vs the Wings being boring. 


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:32 AM

Oh, and more scenes of random kids skating on outside. 

 

Preferably in slo-mo.


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:54 AM

 

You’re saying that the Leafs players are “cooler” and more “hip” than Wings players? 

 

Yes. The Leafs came off differently because Phanuef, Lupul, and Kadri are all members of Radiohead. It had absolutely nothing to do with editing.

 

Kadri’s getting his car with Jai Paul’s super-slick “BTSTU” song playing in the background (even though Kadri probably hasn’t even heard of Jai Paul) vs Helm, Smith, Dekeyser, and Abby eating ribs and fish tacos? 

 

Or how about Phanuef, selecting his suit and bow tie to epic synth M83-style music? Howf****** funny is that? Knowing Dion is part cave-man. 

 

That’s all HBO image-crafting and editing. It has way more to do with their idea of presentation than it does with The Leafs players being hip vs the Wings being boring. 

I agree that we're at the mercy of HBO's editing dept as to what we as fans see - however if there was anything remotely 'interesting' - wouldn't HBO want us to see it?



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:43 AM

Somebody said something funny in that last episode.  Unfortunately, by the time the thing ended, my brain had atrophied and I forgot what it was.

 

 

Final assessment: 

Wings fans are gonna think, "Too much Leaf stuff!"  Leaf fans are gonna think, "Too much Wing stuff!"

Dan Cleary going back out after losing ten teeth confirms that hockey players are truly badass people.

 

I don't care what they do, dull or not, looking at Wings is fun and makes me happy.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:44 AM

I was hoping to see more Bert and actually have him talk. He seems like an interesting dude.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:05 AM

 

You’re saying that the Leafs players are “cooler” and more “hip” than Wings players? 

 

Yes. The Leafs came off differently because Phanuef, Lupul, and Kadri are all members of Radiohead. It had absolutely nothing to do with editing.

 

Kadri’s getting his car with Jai Paul’s super-slick “BTSTU” song playing in the background (even though Kadri probably hasn’t even heard of Jai Paul) vs Helm, Smith, Dekeyser, and Abby eating ribs and fish tacos? 

 

Or how about Phanuef, selecting his suit and bow tie to epic synth M83-style music? Howf****** funny is that? Knowing Dion is part cave-man. 

 

That’s all HBO image-crafting and editing. It has way more to do with their idea of presentation than it does with The Leafs players being hip vs the Wings being boring. 

I don't think it has as much to do with editing as it did to do with access and what they had to work with.  Obviously Pav and Hank are interesting, well spoken intelligent guys.  We just didn't get to see that side of them.  Whether that is due to their unassuming personalities or the Wings worried that they might not be portrayed how they wanted them to be, I don't know.  Before the series, we heard about what a character Tomas Tatar is and how he'd be stealing the show.  But other than the lineup intro in the first episode, we did not see him at all.  He certainly does not seem shy or afraid of the cameras.  So one would have to think the Wings orchestrated who would get "face time" and who wouldn't.  I just don't think it's coincidence we saw the most of Cleary, Smith, DeKeyser and Alfredsson.  







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