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#21 LeftWinger

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:57 PM

I love how everyone comes in here and berates the OP by saying things like, it'll never happen, get real, he has a NMC, and everything else they can sling at him to attempt to belittle or make fun of him. All while the thread is IF we become sellers, hypothetically if the Wings miss the playoffs, what kind of return would you expect for Alfie. If you don't feel like playing along, then don't leave your negative comment, just don't comment at all...thanks.

 

oh, and the NMC...Alfie signed here to win a Cup, if the Wings miss the playoffs and a favorite came calling for Alfie's availability, don't think for a minute that he wouldn't waive his clause to get that chance at a Cup. He'd be gone before you could spell Howe...


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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:13 PM

For me, there's nothing sexy about missing the playoffs and getting a 2nd round pick from Boston for Alfie. That's essentially 50th overall or something.

I'd hope that if Quincey was worth a first even in Holland's demented state, and Gaustad is worth a first, that we could squeeze a first round pick out of some GM if we could work up a bidding war frenzy.
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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:49 PM

Should that happen, I would expect the return to be similar to what was acquired for Jagr or Iginla.  Nothing too exciting like a 1st-round pick or a top young player/prospect.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:32 AM

For me, there's nothing sexy about missing the playoffs and getting a 2nd round pick from Boston for Alfie. That's essentially 50th overall or something.

I'd hope that if Quincey was worth a first even in Holland's demented state, and Gaustad is worth a first, that we could squeeze a first round pick out of some GM if we could work up a bidding war frenzy.

 

It's better than getting nothing and also part of doing the classy thing by providing someone who is on his last legs with an opportunity to win his first Stanley Cup.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:54 AM

 

It's better than getting nothing and also part of doing the classy thing by providing someone who is on his last legs with an opportunity to win his first Stanley Cup.

 

I completely agree with this. The Wings are never sellers, but if it came to that, I’d like it to be exciting, from the fan/fantasy angel. But yes, beggars can’t be chosers and you have to do what’s best for Alfie if, god help us, that scenario happens. 


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:57 AM

 

I completely agree with this. The Wings are never sellers, but if it came to that, I’d like it to be exciting, from the fan/fantasy angel. But yes, beggars can’t be chosers and you have to do what’s best for Alfie if, god help us, that scenario happens. 

 

I fully agree, but at some point it will happen and personally I wouldn't be too pissed about a rebuild, starting next year (...*cough* McDavid draft :-)


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:17 AM

 

I fully agree, but at some point it will happen and personally I wouldn't be too pissed about a rebuild, starting next year (...*cough* McDavid draft :-)

 

That’s a fantasy as well, I think. I don’t see The Wings sucking that much.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:17 AM

I love how everyone comes in here and berates the OP by saying things like, it'll never happen, get real, he has a NMC, and everything else they can sling at him to attempt to belittle or make fun of him. All while the thread is IF we become sellers, hypothetically if the Wings miss the playoffs, what kind of return would you expect for Alfie. If you don't feel like playing along, then don't leave your negative comment, just don't comment at all...thanks.


... and for God's sake, don't suggest that a return of a first and Hamilton or Krug for Alfie may be reaching a tad high. Hugs all around.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:27 AM

Only players I would see going out would be players they don't plan on bringing back

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:19 AM

If the Wings missed playoffs, I could only see them trading Alfie if he was sure he'd retire after the season. And only if he asked.

And for the people who want to tank and rebuild: why? Is getting one player worth delaying a Cup for multiple years? With a core of Dassyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Howard we need only to find the right pieces to be contenders again. Especially if the kids really do pan out the way we hope thongs will be fine. We as fans just lose patience because the CBA has all but killed trading and so we can only get pieces through annual free agencies.
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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:39 AM

Even if we became sellers, I don't think the Wings would part with Alfie. He's been tremendous this season, clearly has some good chemistry with the swedes on our team, and is a right hand shot after all! 

 

Plus, he's gone through the whole process of up-rooting his entire family from Ottawa to Michigan. With the level of respect that KH etc have for their players, I don't think they'd even contemplate moving Alfie. 

 

In spite of that, I'm hoping we re-sign him for one more year, because it looks like he's still got the drive and is having a lot of fun out there too. Plus at age 41, he's still a top 6 forward, which is incredible.

 

That said, I would not be opposed to a re-build of sorts. Even if that re-build would be dropping a few veterans and bumping up some of the young guys from GR and giving them full time roles. Would be interesting test for babcock also. I think missing the playoffs would hurt, but I'd rather secure the long term future of this franchise by missing the playoffs once than trying but failing now and suffering down the line. 

 

NB. I still think this team has a reasonable shot, if everyone gets healthy, and babcock actually plays the right guys with the right amount of ice time. 


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:03 AM

I think alfie stays put due to the relocation as stated before, but I do see some other potential roster shifts.  But why are you putting the bad juju on us?  Howard learned how to play goalie again so that is great for us.  Don't sell us short quite yet.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:28 PM

I love how everyone comes in here and berates the OP by saying things like, it'll never happen, get real, he has a NMC, and everything else they can sling at him to attempt to belittle or make fun of him. All while the thread is IF we become sellers, hypothetically if the Wings miss the playoffs, what kind of return would you expect for Alfie. If you don't feel like playing along, then don't leave your negative comment, just don't comment at all...thanks.

 

oh, and the NMC...Alfie signed here to win a Cup, if the Wings miss the playoffs and a favorite came calling for Alfie's availability, don't think for a minute that he wouldn't waive his clause to get that chance at a Cup. He'd be gone before you could spell Howe...

If his sole reason for leaving Ottawa was to win a Cup, he wouldn't have signed with the Red Wings. The Wings were clearly not Cup favorites, though their chances may be slightly better than the Sens. But the Wings aren't even in the top 5. There was obviously more involved and if it was only about winning a Cup, he'd have signed with another team, if there were any other teams interested.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:57 PM

If his sole reason for leaving Ottawa was to win a Cup, he wouldn't have signed with the Red Wings. The Wings were clearly not Cup favorites, though their chances may be slightly better than the Sens. But the Wings aren't even in the top 5. There was obviously more involved and if it was only about winning a Cup, he'd have signed with another team, if there were any other teams interested.

Didn't the reports this summer suggest he was also being wooed by Boston at the same time the Wings were courting him? If his first priority was to win a cup, you don't think he would have gone there? The Wings Swedish contingent has to have been a huge factor….


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:51 PM

If the Wings missed playoffs, I could only see them trading Alfie if he was sure he'd retire after the season. And only if he asked.

And for the people who want to tank and rebuild: why? Is getting one player worth delaying a Cup for multiple years? With a core of Dassyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Howard we need only to find the right pieces to be contenders again. Especially if the kids really do pan out the way we hope thongs will be fine. We as fans just lose patience because the CBA has all but killed trading and so we can only get pieces through annual free agencies.

Thongs for sure are fine i like when women where boy shorts as well but i hope that we arent talking about on our players ;)


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:16 PM

I would like to change the thread to "If we become buyers" ;) I believe when we make the playoffs, that's exactly what we will be doing to help alfie get that cup! 



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:30 AM

If the Wings missed playoffs, I could only see them trading Alfie if he was sure he'd retire after the season. And only if he asked.
And for the people who want to tank and rebuild: why? Is getting one player worth delaying a Cup for multiple years? With a core of Dassyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Howard we need only to find the right pieces to be contenders again. Especially if the kids really do pan out the way we hope thongs will be fine. We as fans just lose patience because the CBA has all but killed trading and so we can only get pieces through annual free agencies.


If the prize at the end is Connor McDavid for sure. The core is getting older and there is not one surefire prospect with superstar potential in the pipeline. So sucking one year to get one isn't a big deal to me.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:33 AM

If the Wings missed playoffs, I could only see them trading Alfie if he was sure he'd retire after the season. And only if he asked.

And for the people who want to tank and rebuild: why? Is getting one player worth delaying a Cup for multiple years? With a core of Dassyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Howard we need only to find the right pieces to be contenders again. Especially if the kids really do pan out the way we hope thongs will be fine. We as fans just lose patience because the CBA has all but killed trading and so we can only get pieces through annual free agencies.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:47 PM

I think we found our future sniper in Mantha, so I think sucking for a year is worth getting McDavid.  Besides, we'd have to do a whole lot of sucking to make it to the lottery and even then, we'd have to be lucky enough to get our card drawn...it looks as though Edmonton is well on their way to getting a great chance at yet another 1st overall...do you think they would trade it? They have to be tired of drafting this high and still stinking...

 

I brought up in  a thread about possibly acquiring Taylor Hall from them, but what about Yakupov? He has seemed to not worked out in Edmonton either (of course a lot of those kids aren't) do you think he would be good enough to flank Datsyuk for the next three years?

 

If we became buyers, I would love to make a deal with Edmonton for a young kid who isn't working out for them and maybe get Smyth for a Cup run...at what cost? Not even going to attempt to list names...


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 01:01 PM

Anything that involves Mule would be OK with me, but I think that ship has sailed!


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