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#21 Dabura

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:10 PM

I'm pretty high on our prospect pool. Why? Becase the talent, yes, but mostly because we're good at picking and developing. I get that we don't have any obvious SUPERSTARS!!! in the immediate pipeline, but...when was the last time we really did? I mean guys that we KNEW were going to be HUGE. Franzen has been a consistent top-six producer and was a force to be reckoned with earlier in his NHL career. Was anyone jumping for joy when we drafted him? Kid SUPERSTARS!!! are exceedingly rare. And they haven't been our bread and butter for awhile now. We try to get a number of solid players and one or two gems. That's doable. Hell, Tatar's already making a case for himself as a future 40-goal scorer. As a point of comparison, Franzen had 16 points in his first season with the Wings (12 goals, 4 assists).

 

About Pulkkinen, because everyone seems to hate him - he's Nyquist-quick, is a pure sniper (something we absolutely, positively do not have on the current roster), and competes very, very hard (e.g. can take a lot of abuse and just keep on going). Small? You bet. Facing a real uphill battle at the NHL level? Without a doubt. But every player starts as a prospect. (Terrible argument, I know.)


I expect sheahan to be here next year with glendening (unfortunately)

 

What's wrong with Glendening? I like what he's brought to the team. Hasn't scored, but he's not going to be a scorer at the NHL level. He's going to be a bottom-six grinder. There's a bit of Helm in him.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:17 PM

and of course, hampus melen :P

 

According to RWC, Melen has been diagnosed with an acute respiratory disease after experiencing extreme fatigue and will miss the rest of the season. I don't know much about this or how it will affect him in the future, but from the sounds of it he's seeing the #1 specialist in Sweden and it's something he can overcome? Hakan Andersson said he's optimistic he'll be able to return by training camp next season. Perhaps someone with more knowledge about the disease could shed more info about it.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

Tvrdon traded from Vancouver to Kelowna so now he's on the CHL's #1 team

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:02 PM

Tvrdon traded from Vancouver to Kelowna so now he's on the CHL's #1 team

 

Kinda disappointing he couldn't hack it in the ECHL.  Hopefully he dominates back in junior and comes back next year better for it.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:34 PM

I'm pretty high on our prospect pool. Why? Becase the talent, yes, but mostly because we're good at picking and developing. I get that we don't have any obvious SUSPERSTARS!!! in the immediate pipeline, but...when was the last time we really did? I mean guys that we KNEW were going to be HUGE. Franzen has been a consistent top-six producer and was a force to be reckoned with earlier in his NHL career. Was anyone jumping for joy when we drafted him? Kid SUPERSTARS!!! are exceedingly rare. And they haven't been our bread and butter for awhile now. We try to get a number of solid players and one or two gems. That's doable. Hell, Tatar's already making a case for himself as a future 40-goal scorer. As a point of comparison, Franzen had 16 points in his first season with the Wings (12 goals, 4 assists).
 
About Pulkkinen, because everyone seems to hate him - he's Nyquist-quick, is a pure sniper (something we absolutely, positively do not have on the current roster), and competes very, very hard (e.g. can take a lot of abuse and just keep on going). Small? You bet. Facing a real uphill battle at the NHL level? Without a doubt. But every player starts as a prospect. (Terrible argument, I know.)

 
What's wrong with Glendening? I like what he's brought to the team. Hasn't scored, but he's not going to be a scorer at the NHL level. He's going to be a bottom-six grinder. There's a bit of Helm in him.

All this glendening love just bugs me , he's a career 4th liner .... Still has 0 goals yet we keep calling him up ALL THE TIME yet Callahan who has been awesome this year and is out of waivers next season doesn't even get a sniff of the nhl?

Don't get it

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:41 AM

I am just going by the scouting reports.  He currently sits at spot 11 in their top 25, which isn't bad at all, but he is on the way down the list, and he needs to step it up a bit to start crawling back up it.  I don't think he is a bust, but he IS out of exemptions next off season along with Jurco and Jarnkrok, who both right now occupy two of their top 4 on the prospects list.  Mrazek and Matha are the other two with Ouellet rounding out the top 5.

 

 

My point was, next off season all of Jarnkrok, Jurco and Pullkinen are out of exemtions, couple that with the 4 top prospects that are out of exemption this off season, the #11 spot and not moving up is not a good place to be when it comes to choosing one or two of those three guys in 2015.  Right now, if you had to choose two of the three, it would be Jurco and Jarnkrok. 

 

 

I don't think its fair to refer to Pulks as our #11 prospect, when you look at the guys ahead of him - Mrazek, Sproul, Oullet, Jurco, Jarnok, Mantha.....that's our top 6.  We just have unreal depth in our prospect pool right now.  Personally however, I would look to package him up because I don't see where he's going to get a spot on our roster (like a lot of our other B level prospects) no matter how well he does in the AHL, and 30 points in 38 games in his first pro season is pretty good.

 

 

 

ust looking at the pasts drafts and my god , still early but those 2 drafts could end up saving us painful rebuilding years

We could of drafted "maybe" our future top 4 dmen In the 2010 draft alone in Ouellet sproul backman marchenko

Our potential (star goalie in my opinion ) future goalie mrazek

Then add jurco sheahan jarnkrok pulkkinen up front ... Wow

 

B-b-b-b-b-b-but Holland sucks, and he trades away our first rounders!!!!


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:00 AM

Just looking at the pasts drafts and my god , still early but those 2 drafts could end up saving us painful rebuilding years

We could of drafted "maybe" our future top 4 dmen In the 2010 draft alone in Ouellet sproul backman marchenko

Our potential (star goalie in my opinion ) future goalie mrazek

Then add jurco sheahan jarnkrok pulkkinen up front ... Wow


Just can't help to think (and hope) years down the road people will be once again in awe of the redwings draft history .... Can't wait to see these kids play

 

Its nice to think of them all progressing to be top NHL playoffs but odds are one maybe two of who you listed become impact players. Even Mrazek who has shot from junior to NHL quicker than any wings prospect recently is no sure bet. Steve Mason sure looked good when he was Mrazeks age and look what happened. Sheahan will be nothing more than a 3rd line grinder at best. Those years at ND really stalled his offensive progression. For being a 1st round pick his development has been a bust. Pulk  and Jarnkrok look good but the NHL is a whole different world. Look at Nyquist. He was tearing up the AHL the last two years. He was supposed to be the offensive savoir this year. He had 3 good games and has since been really slumping. 

 

So while I agree that the prospects you listed are enticing  (save for Sheahan) the realistic view is we would be lucky if even 2 become impact players that "save" a franchise from rebuilding years.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:44 AM

Its nice to think of them all progressing to be top NHL playoffs but odds are one maybe two of who you listed become impact players. Even Mrazek who has shot from junior to NHL quicker than any wings prospect recently is no sure bet. Steve Mason sure looked good when he was Mrazeks age and look what happened. Sheahan will be nothing more than a 3rd line grinder at best. Those years at ND really stalled his offensive progression. For being a 1st round pick his development has been a bust. Pulk  and Jarnkrok look good but the NHL is a whole different world. Look at Nyquist. He was tearing up the AHL the last two years. He was supposed to be the offensive savoir this year. He had 3 good games and has since been really slumping. 
 
So while I agree that the prospects you listed are enticing  (save for Sheahan) the realistic view is we would be lucky if even 2 become impact players that "save" a franchise from rebuilding years.

Mason played for Columbus , a team that has done nothing but struggled since coming into the league and he seems to finally be turning it back around in philly

Mrazek won the cup calder and was awesome in the junior championship tournament , I really think we got a future star goalie in our hands and I trust our organization not to ruin his progress

I do think sheahan will be a really good 3rd liner but you just never know, he's been putting up good numbers and Franzen was also suppose to be a bottom 6 guy and he turned out pretty good

And looking at our past draft history besides yzerman who did we have that turned out to be the stars we were hoping for when we drafted them?

Lidstrom federov Konstantinov zetterberg datsyuk holmstrom Franzen Kozlov Fischer Ericsson helm

All if them were either stars OR important pieces to our teams past and present And I don't think any of these guys were expected to do much when we drafted them so I do think we got a lot of guys in our prospect pool to get excited about

If jarnkrok becomes a flop we got mattias janmark to be hopeful about .... Pulkkinen fails we got mantha who I think at the least can be a 30 goal guy with the release he has

I do think we got some gems to come ... Futures bright

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:59 PM

 
Its nice to think of them all progressing to be top NHL playoffs but odds are one maybe two of who you listed become impact players. Even Mrazek who has shot from junior to NHL quicker than any wings prospect recently is no sure bet. Steve Mason sure looked good when he was Mrazeks age and look what happened. Sheahan will be nothing more than a 3rd line grinder at best. Those years at ND really stalled his offensive progression. For being a 1st round pick his development has been a bust. Pulk  and Jarnkrok look good but the NHL is a whole different world. Look at Nyquist. He was tearing up the AHL the last two years. He was supposed to be the offensive savoir this year. He had 3 good games and has since been really slumping. 
 
So while I agree that the prospects you listed are enticing  (save for Sheahan) the realistic view is we would be lucky if even 2 become impact players that "save" a franchise from rebuilding years.


Agree with everything you said and ya people on here over hype our prospects. As for nyquist he has played great. He is a dominant third liner. What do u expect when u get thrown on a first Line with Abby and zetterberg. Nyquist and Tatar will provide extream depth once we get some guys back

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:02 PM

None of these guys has yet played a full season in the NHL, so how about waiting before we overhype them ? There is definately some potential but at the end of the day. I think, they are going to help fo sure but how much well the jury is still out on that.

 

The biggest hurdles will be replacing Pasha and Z either through UFA or draft :(

Agreed 100%.

 

Lets see how these kids fair at the NHL level before we claim them to our saviours.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 03:45 AM

All this glendening love just bugs me , he's a career 4th liner .... Still has 0 goals yet we keep calling him up ALL THE TIME yet Callahan who has been awesome this year and is out of waivers next season doesn't even get a sniff of the nhl?

Don't get it

Well honestly I don't really get your point of view. Waiver options or not, Callahan is 22 and Glendening is 24. Despite Callahan's recent scoring success he's also probably a career 4th liner like Glendening. Have you watched Glendening play? Not only does he have a lot of strength to throw around, but he plays with an angry fire that 99% of our roster doesn't have. I also don't expect scoring from our 4th line. It's nice when it happens, but not something that's relied upon. Glendening had been a pleasant surprise IMO.

If Calllahan really does have scoring potential, let him stay in the minors and develop it and his confidence while he still has the opportunity to do so. I'd be thrilled if he really surpassed all expectations.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 04:07 AM

Well honestly I don't really get your point of view. Waiver options or not, Callahan is 22 and Glendening is 24. Despite Callahan's recent scoring success he's also probably a career 4th liner like Glendening. Have you watched Glendening play? Not only does he have a lot of strength to throw around, but he plays with an angry fire that 99% of our roster doesn't have. I also don't expect scoring from our 4th line. It's nice when it happens, but not something that's relied upon. Glendening had been a pleasant surprise IMO.

If Calllahan really does have scoring potential, let him stay in the minors and develop it and his confidence while he still has the opportunity to do so. I'd be thrilled if he really surpassed all expectations.

 

Agreed and I really like Callahan and his play but the point is, the fourth line isn't there to score goals. A well built fourth line is going to provide tenacity, shutdown roles and physicality these guys don't need to be scorers they just need to be big, tough and willing to work hard each shift even with limited icetime.

 

More often than not, all thse stupid "state sheets" aren't telling the whole story, if someone is snakebitten and still plays unreal no data / score sheet or whatever is going to recognize that but coaches and people who actually watch the game will do so. Personally I couldn't care less if a well built 4 line doesn't score at all in a season, it's just not their job. I also like Gelendening.


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:32 AM

 
According to RWC, Melen has been diagnosed with an acute respiratory disease after experiencing extreme fatigue and will miss the rest of the season. I don't know much about this or how it will affect him in the future, but from the sounds of it he's seeing the #1 specialist in Sweden and it's something he can overcome? Hakan Andersson said he's optimistic he'll be able to return by training camp next season. Perhaps someone with more knowledge about the disease could shed more info about it.


Really?? That's upsetting.. I hope he's alright through all of it.

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:31 AM

Well honestly I don't really get your point of view. Waiver options or not, Callahan is 22 and Glendening is 24. Despite Callahan's recent scoring success he's also probably a career 4th liner like Glendening. Have you watched Glendening play? Not only does he have a lot of strength to throw around, but he plays with an angry fire that 99% of our roster doesn't have. I also don't expect scoring from our 4th line. It's nice when it happens, but not something that's relied upon. Glendening had been a pleasant surprise IMO.
If Calllahan really does have scoring potential, let him stay in the minors and develop it and his confidence while he still has the opportunity to do so. I'd be thrilled if he really surpassed all expectations.

Glendening works hard but he has no offensive skills .... I was asking for Callahan to be called up before he took over the scoring lead In Grand Rapids , he's out of waiver options along with Ferraro and sheahan next year (I said all 3 should get a few games in actually to see what they can do )

Callahan plays a gritty style and can occasionally drop the gloves and can annoy players on other teams and now he's showing he can put the puck In the net .... I don't know why we wouldn't give him a 2 game stint and send back glendening down

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:40 AM

Agreed and I really like Callahan and his play but the point is, the fourth line isn't there to score goals. A well built fourth line is going to provide tenacity, shutdown roles and physicality these guys don't need to be scorers they just need to be big, tough and willing to work hard each shift even with limited icetime.
 
More often than not, all thse stupid "state sheets" aren't telling the whole story, if someone is snakebitten and still plays unreal no data / score sheet or whatever is going to recognize that but coaches and people who actually watch the game will do so. Personally I couldn't care less if a well built 4 line doesn't score at all in a season, it's just not their job. I also like Gelendening.


If your 4th line goes all season with no goals then your in trouble(you need your 4th line to chip In a goal or 2 in the playoffs if your ever gonna go anywhere)

Babcock just likes glendening because he's defensively responsible ....Callahan plays a gritty style and can occasionally fight and get under opponents skin ... We don't have tht kind of player here , don't know why we wouldn't just let him play a few games

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:03 AM

:lol: I didn't want to make a thread for this, these guys are both 2013 draft picks and are both big defensemen.  I was looking for some info on Mitch Wheaton and stumbled across this:

 

 

 

....it was also mentioned above that Tvrdon is now a Kelowna teammate of Wheaton's.  McNulty currently has 27 points in 44 games for the Prince George Cougars.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:28 AM

i think we have to get worse before we get better. right now at best we are drafting in the middle of the pack

 

i also don't think that superstars in their prime are really keen to play in Detroit right now. I think Detroit has lost its lure as the place where you can win a cup. Last time we saw that was 12 years ago. We would need like three of them anyway to get to the point where we have a serious chance


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:57 AM

i think we have to get worse before we get better. right now at best we are drafting in the middle of the pack

 

i also don't think that superstars in their prime are really keen to play in Detroit right now. I think Detroit has lost its lure as the place where you can win a cup. Last time we saw that was 12 years ago. We would need like three of them anyway to get to the point where we have a serious chance

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:55 PM

I don't agree with the anti Glendening sentiments. The dude is fast, works damn hard, throws the body around and causes chaos. Plus, he's been effective on the PK for the most part and is responsible in his own end. Why wouldn't we want a player on our roster who's like that?

 

As for Callahan, yea it's great he's scoring in GR, and I agree he should get his cup of coffee at some point this season. But there is no reason to send Glendening down when he's been playing great. Like others said, it doesn't matter if he doesn't score, that's not his job. Anything else is a bonus, ala the offensive production we have seen from Helm (when he's been in the lineup!!)


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:37 PM

Callahan will get his cup of coffee next season one way or another. He is out of exemptions so he will either be on our club, traded to another NHL team or claimed off waivers. I prefer he be a Red Wing.


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