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#1 Kmahrle83

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:25 PM

Now, I'm not saying this is intentional or that the wings brass is even aware of this but, for at least the past 3 seasons we've suffered terrible injuries all season long.  I'm not just talking about a game here and there, I'm talking about a good chunk of our lineup being absent for weeks at a time.  This brings up several questions to me.

 

1. Is there something in the training department that is amiss? Pre Lidstrom retirement, I don't remember this being such an issue.  Are we behind the times in training methods or something?  Or does this fall on coaching and management that we just haven't picked up players that aren't made of porcelain?

 

2. Do Babcock and Holland KNOW that our players are fragile and play it safe?  What I mean is, sometimes we'll get a player like Helm back for 2 games, then lose him for 10.  Just an example.  Are they afraid of having these players down in the final stretch/playoffs?  Do they sit them at every cough, sniffle, or sneeze or what?  It seems to me for the past few seasons, we've battled injury all season long.  Then towards the final stretch, guys start coming back healthy, and we have been able to turn it on.  Just look at the 7 game series Vs. Chicago last year.  If I remember correctly, we played with mostly and young and playoff inexperience roster during that series, but the core was healthy.

 

I'm starting to wonder if guys are staying out of the lineup for any and every injury earlier in the season for fear that if they play through little things like alot of guys do, they'll end up seriously hurt come playoffs?  Now, I know the issue here would be that we need all the points possible to make the playoffs, but we've somehow managed.

 

3.  What in your guys opinions could management, and/or the players, and training staff do differently?  SOMETHING has got to be a factor that wasn't there 4-5 years ago.  If it were just our older players getting hurt, I'd say it's that.  But, we have guys like abby, helm, howie, ericsson etc routinely getting hurt now.

 

Just some thought I had, and wanted to get your guys, and gals takes on it all. 


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:37 PM

I posted in another thread that a lot of players seem to get injured stepping up into roles they are not accustomed to. Helm was trying to be a 2C, Andersson was trying to be a 2C, Ericsson a 2D, Dekeyser a 3D, Alfie is being leaned on heavily for offence, etc. I think due to some key losses though out the lineup it just compounds the problem. These guys aren't used to playing those minutes every night against harder competition. 

 

Other than that you have to question the medical staff a bit. Why are the same injuries happening (groins)? Have they changed their practices to avoid this? Can the wings invest some more time and money into conditioning and resources? Does babcock making practice optional result in more groin issues? I have no clue - but I would sure as hell start turning over stones if I was in the organization to figure this out.


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 07:53 PM

Why can't all athletes be as mentally tough as those Korean fighters from "Best of the Best"?  

 

 

But to answer the OP's question, yes, I question how this team practices and trains to have these problems in back to back years.  In 2012, we were 12th in man games lost, so it wasn't that bad.  But the last two years, we're among the league leaders.  It's not any particular guys getting hurt, as much as a problem that seems to rotate around.  Also, it's not because we're old.  Old and young guys are getting injured.

 

Sadly, having Cleary, Sammy and Bert was supposed to help in times like these where other guys were hurt, and depth was needed.  However, these old farts are useless and are making Holland look like an idiot right now.  


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:44 PM

What pisses me off is you know Franzen will come back and play 3 games just to get ready for the Olympics then will enter beast mode

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:22 PM

The injuries are alarming. This trend is actually older.

2010, 2011, 2013, and 2014 all were derailed by injuries. 2012 was, too, but not as bad, relatively.

It's training, has to be. It's every player, not just those "made of glass" and it's almost always a muscle strain or pull. Or a concussion. Neither of which is a toughness issue I don't think.
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Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:44 PM

How does training avoid Darren Helm's wrist injury?  Or Pavel Datsyuk getting clocked in the jaw? Or Patrick Eaves taking a puck to the face?  I realize people are upset by the injuries and are grasping at straws, but there just isn't any solid evidence that the Wings aren't well trained. Just exactly how do you train to avoid a concussion?  Sure you can play smart to avoid open ice hits, but these aren't Eric Lindros/Scott Stevens type hits.  I think the increased awareness has quite a bit to do with more players missing due to concussions.  



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:41 PM

How does training avoid Darren Helm's wrist injury?  Or Pavel Datsyuk getting clocked in the jaw? Or Patrick Eaves taking a puck to the face?  I realize people are upset by the injuries and are grasping at straws, but there just isn't any solid evidence that the Wings aren't well trained. Just exactly how do you train to avoid a concussion?  Sure you can play smart to avoid open ice hits, but these aren't Eric Lindros/Scott Stevens type hits.  I think the increased awareness has quite a bit to do with more players missing due to concussions.  


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:41 PM

How does training avoid Darren Helm's wrist injury?  Or Pavel Datsyuk getting clocked in the jaw? Or Patrick Eaves taking a puck to the face?  I realize people are upset by the injuries and are grasping at straws, but there just isn't any solid evidence that the Wings aren't well trained. Just exactly how do you train to avoid a concussion?  Sure you can play smart to avoid open ice hits, but these aren't Eric Lindros/Scott Stevens type hits.  I think the increased awareness has quite a bit to do with more players missing due to concussions.  

 

The injuries in question aren't concussions or wrists or broken jaws.

 

They are muscle strains, groin pulls, etc. There is a difference....



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:43 AM

The speed of the game and the conditioning for it.



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 08:48 AM

Is it just me or shouldn't a professional that has played the game for +20 years (in a lot of cases) be somewhat aware of what type of stretching/conditioning their body requires to minimize injuries? I know when I played a number of different sports over the years I required certain regimines to perform my best and I figured those out after a few practices.

 

That being said, I think that The Wings are very cautious when any groin issue arises. If anybody recalls, back not too long ago, a groin strain would have a player out 2 weeks, bare minimum. Now, although inconvienent, the team takes them out at the slightest tweak and they (not always) are headed back to the lineup within a couple weeks.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 08:52 AM

How many of the injuries have been pulled groins?  Helm is out right now with a pulled groin, and that's likely because of all the other injuries he's had and the long period of time he's been off the ice, not because he played 2nd line center for a couple of games.  Gustavsson is a back up goalie, not really that odd for him to have a pulled groin or indicative of a lack of training.  Zetterberg was out with a herniated disc.  That's not training.  Franzen is due to a concussion.  Ericsson had a bad shoulder.  I just find it really hard to believe an organization as top notch as the Wings wouldn't have top notch training.  Not like Zetterberg or Datsyuk or any of these guys are couch potatoes and not in elite condition.  



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 09:18 AM

Broken ribs, concussions, back spasms for a forty year old, more concussions stemming from 08, broken jaws, a lot of these are unavoidable. Sliced wrist twice... That's unbelievable!!!! Wings are extremely unlucky training has very little to do with it.
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Posted 18 January 2014 - 09:28 AM

I remember a time in the early 2000s where Montreal had a ton of injuries for a few years... I think it's just one of those cyclical things. Someday we will find that it's no longer us losing 10 guys to injury at a time, it'll be the Sharks, or the Ducks. 



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Posted 18 January 2014 - 04:33 PM

its the uncle Gary curse...for all you fans that wished injuries on Crosby or any of the penguins...curse your team and your little dog too! :P


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 04:40 PM

I don't think the Wings have any more groin injuries than other teams do.  It happens in hockey.


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 05:56 PM

http://www.mlive.com...illions_of.html

 

Ken Holland: “We all expect groin injuries and hip flexors in September, at the start of training camp. Internally, we’re talking about why we’re having groin injuries in December and January.

“I’m not sure what we can do about it this year, but it’s something we’ll look at in the summer.”

 

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 06:40 PM

Interesting article pertaining to this exact topic, sounds like the Wings management is starting to see a problem also.

 

http://kuklaskorner....f-are-investiga


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 07:10 PM

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 09:55 AM

Wings internally evaluating injury issues. Decent read.

 

http://blogs.windsor..._medium=twitter


Interesting article pertaining to this exact topic, sounds like the Wings management is starting to see a problem also.

 

http://kuklaskorner....f-are-investiga

 

Sorry, I didn't see this before I posted that article. Differnt sources basically saying the same thing.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:54 PM

This is something I've been talking to my friends (both of them) about. I've been wondering if trainers are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Of course, they can't do anything about concussions or cuts from skates, but soft tissue injuries are really popping up. I hate to be "that guy", but I've also been wondering if Babs and Holland are still effective in their roles. Both have done a huge amount for this team, and I don't mean to bash them or derail this discussion. Are coaching and management staff keeping our guys interested at a level that they need to be?


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