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#501 Jesusberg

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 01:56 PM

 

I can kind of understand going into the season with what we had last season, on the back end I mean. Last season was a half season and we overachieved in some areas. So, before making a big change, give the group at least 20 games to see where we're really at. Thing is, it's been pretty clear for most of the season that our D corps - even when fully healthy - is not where it needs to be and is in fact a pretty serious weakness.

 

It's weird, right? Kindl last year vs. this year on the PP confuses the heck out of me. Last season he was probably our best player in terms of getting the puck on net, through the PK'ers. Yesterday as I was watching him on the PP, his mobility seems to be so off and he can't seem to find the passing/shooting lanes. He was off by the half boards at some point and just looked confused.

 

Kindl and Smith were both projected to be top 4 guys. They were given the chance to do that instead of signing a stop gap. You either want kids to have opportunity or you don't, simple as that.

 

Which is fine, and I think the idea was to address this at the deadline. The issue was that prices were too high, and the need for a center outweighed the need for another defender (in the eyes of management). Giving an opportunity for the kids to jump into the top 4 is all well in good, but it hasn't worked to this point. 

 

Personally, I would have liked to see the team try out Smith-Dekeyser as a pairing more. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't think I've seen them together often, if at all. Quincey just sort of exists - he's made some stand-out plays throughout the season, but he's not a top 4 guy, in my opinion. If the team's going to go through rough patches trying to mold the kids into top 4 guys, I'd rather have them paired with someone they're going to play with in the future (since Quincey hasn't seemed to stabilize Smith's play).



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:08 PM

 

It's weird, right? Kindl last year vs. this year on the PP confuses the heck out of me. Last season he was probably our best player in terms of getting the puck on net, through the PK'ers. Yesterday as I was watching him on the PP, his mobility seems to be so off and he can't seem to find the passing/shooting lanes. He was off by the half boards at some point and just looked confused.

 

 

Which is fine, and I think the idea was to address this at the deadline. The issue was that prices were too high, and the need for a center outweighed the need for another defender (in the eyes of management). Giving an opportunity for the kids to jump into the top 4 is all well in good, but it hasn't worked to this point. 

 

Personally, I would have liked to see the team try out Smith-Dekeyser as a pairing more. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't think I've seen them together often, if at all. Quincey just sort of exists - he's made some stand-out plays throughout the season, but he's not a top 4 guy, in my opinion. If the team's going to go through rough patches trying to mold the kids into top 4 guys, I'd rather have them paired with someone they're going to play with in the future (since Quincey hasn't seemed to stabilize Smith's play).

 

That's a good point about Kindl.  Last season I remember I was saying he's one of the best on the team at getting shots through, and I'm hardly his biggest fan. 

 

But it's why there's little hope for him developing into a solid D man.  Every time he seems to take a step forward, it evaporates a few games later. 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:16 PM

 

Most of their injuries have been on the blue line. Their best forwards have been healthy for the most part, and their D has been suspect even when healthy. They can get away with beating teams 6-5 in the regular season. If they lost the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Sutter, Neal and Kunitz all at once, it would be a different story.

 

Exactly.  I got into a discussion with someone the other day about this with them saying "Yeah, well we lost more games to injury than you."  Yeah, I'm pretty sure you still have all your stars playing whereas Datsyuk and Zetterberg missed more than half the year and will be out for the remainder of this one.  Franzen missed more than half the year.  Helm missed pretty much the entire year.  Howard's been in and out of the lineup all season.  Like you said, take away Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz and Fleury and see how well they fair.  



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 02:59 PM

 

Exactly.  I got into a discussion with someone the other day about this with them saying "Yeah, well we lost more games to injury than you."  Yeah, I'm pretty sure you still have all your stars playing whereas Datsyuk and Zetterberg missed more than half the year and will be out for the remainder of this one.  Franzen missed more than half the year.  Helm missed pretty much the entire year.  Howard's been in and out of the lineup all season.  Like you said, take away Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz and Fleury and see how well they fair.  

 

The big issue is that we have players coming and going so much we can't ice consistent lines. The few times we did, the team started playing real well until another player or two would get hurt, and the lines had to change again. It is insane how often the lines have had to change around. It is hard to play consistent hockey that way. 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:12 PM

 

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UPDATE: Jonathan Ericsson has undergone successful surgery. He's expected to miss 4-6 weeks #RedWings

 

Welp... Must have been a nasty break to be out that long. Big big loss down the stretch.



#506 Nyquistfan14

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:14 PM

So pulk back in??

 
Welp... Must have been a nasty break to be out that long. Big big loss down the stretch.


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#507 SimonSin

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM

Yea this season is done for me with Ericsson news. I can't even explain what has happened this year. It's mind boggling. I'm putting these injuries up there with the missing Malaysian airplane. I can watch not expecting anything and just hopefully they can retool in the summer somehow. Tigers season opener is right around the corner.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM

Almqvist has been called up



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

4-6 weeks wtf?!

We better have like one injury to a fourth liner next year to make up for this s***.

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#510 Jesusberg

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:15 PM

 

Welp... Must have been a nasty break to be out that long. Big big loss down the stretch.

 

Really sucks to lose him. Seems like Detroit can't even catch a break on the length of injuries. It's never "progressing ahead of schedule". Ugh.

 

Almqvist has been called up

 

On the flip side, glad to see AA getting a shot. I personally hope they play him over Kindl and give him time on the 2nd PP unit. Let DeKeyser focus on being part of the top PK unit. If I remember right (correct me if I'm wrong), Lashoff-Almqvist played together at times last year in GR and complimented each other well.



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

What happened to two weeks for E? Even the timeframes turn out worse, on top of the sheer number of injuries.

Defense is atrocious. Already was, but it's in really bad shape now without E. Maybe Holland will upgrade that sore spot eventually. Not sure why it has taken two years minimum already.
 
 
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#512 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

Jesus wtf is going on I thought Ericsson was gone for like 2 weeks and now it's 4-6???? Starting to think someone's out to get us , this seasons been beyond ridiculous

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 05:18 PM

Time for Babcock's 16 yr old daughter to lace the skates up



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

If I was a Wing player I would be terrified to be on this team, who knows what will happen next.

This season has become like a bad episode of CSI.

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#515 DannyD

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:09 PM

Maybe our PP will ramp up a little. Could have Pulkkinen and Almquist manning the points on the 2nd PP. 



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Posted 19 March 2014 - 07:14 PM

Sounds like Babcock is getting REALLY frustrated with the fragile players we have on this team. I can't blame him though, every time someone goes down they are always out for longer than expected.

Sure could have used a defensemen Mr Holland.

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:49 PM

Does anyone know if Stephen Weiss will be coming back down the stretch? What a waste of ******* money.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

Helm practicing today on a line with Ferraro and Emmerton.

 

On the PK with Glendenning.

 

His return looks close......

 

http://kuklaskorner....practice-update


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#519 DannyD

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 11:49 AM

 

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive  19m

Helm practicing on the PK with Glendening, another good sign that his return is near.

 

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive  40m

Helm centering a line with Emmerton and Pulkkinen/Ferraro. Could be that Helm is ready to return. Should know after practice.

 

 

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive  36m

Andersson (broken foot) practicing with team. Cleary (knee) was skating earlier but has left the ice. Weiss not skating.

Good news on Helmer. 

 

 

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All the Wings that dressed in Thursday's 5-4 win over Pittsburgh are on ice for practice. Haven't heard that in awhile. #RedWings



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 12:00 PM

Helm is back for ??? How many games
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