Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 It's time for the Washington Capitals to move Mike Green [The Washington Post] Green's an intriguing possibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 (Of course, that Washington Post writer and the Capitals brass are very likely not of the same mind on the matter.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/1/24/5341482/elliotte-friedman-on-the-fan-960 From Boomer in the Morning -- The Oilers have likely told the Predators that if the Preds are considering trading Weber, the Oilers want to take a shot [Weber does not have any no-trade, no-movement clause]. The Oilers would likely be willing to give up Eberle (which is not a knock on Eberle), but the Predators would probably be after Nugent-Hopkins and a first round pick. I've always assumed the return for Weber would have to be pretty mind-blowing. Nugent-Hopkins and a first-round pick isn't mind-blowing. Does this mean we might have a shot at Weber? (Don't answer that.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Playmaker Report post Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/1/24/5341482/elliotte-friedman-on-the-fan-960 I've always assumed the return for Weber would have to be pretty mind-blowing. Nugent-Hopkins and a first-round pick isn't mind-blowing. Does this mean we might have a shot at Weber? (Don't answer that.) I don't see the Wings having anything that the Preds want right now. They need scoring, same as the Wings. While we have some decent young players, the Wings don't really have that can't miss young star of the future that the Preds covet. While I'd love to have Weber, his contract would really handcuff any team for years to come. With Weber's style of play, he's not likely to be effective into his late 30's. I think I'd rather have two defensemen for 7 million instead of Weber for 14 and the anchor of another 12+ years of a contract. Edited January 25, 2014 by Playmaker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 It's time for the Washington Capitals to move Mike Green [The Washington Post] Green's an intriguing possibility. Not even if they kept half his salary and took Samuelsson straight up for him. I don't want a d-man who can't defend. 2 kipwinger and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 http://www.coppernblue.com/2014/1/24/5341482/elliotte-friedman-on-the-fan-960 I've always assumed the return for Weber would have to be pretty mind-blowing. Nugent-Hopkins and a first-round pick isn't mind-blowing. Does this mean we might have a shot at Weber? (Don't answer that.) I don't see the Wings having anything that the Preds want right now. They need scoring, same as the Wings. While we have some decent young players, the Wings don't really have that can't miss young star of the future that the Preds covet. While I'd love to have Weber, his contract would really handcuff any team for years to come. With Weber's style of play, he's not likely to be effective into his late 30's. I think I'd rather have two defensemen for 7 million instead of Weber for 14 and the anchor of another 12+ years of a contract. Weber's hit isn't 14, it's 7.87. I'd take him in a second for that. Mantha, Jurco, Nyquist, or Tatar+Kindl+D prospect. A top 4 of Kronwall, Weber, Ericsson, and Dekeyser would be one of, I'd not the best, d units in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 Weber's hit isn't 14, it's 7.87. I'd take him in a second for that. Mantha, Jurco, Nyquist, or Tatar+Kindl+D prospect. A top 4 of Kronwall, Weber, Ericsson, and Dekeyser would be one of, I'd not the best, d units in the NHL. Mantha, Jurco, Nyquist for Weber would castrate our offense in the future. Plus how would you fit it under the cap? They would have to take an overpaid vet as well to offset the hit for this year. I don't see us as a player for Weber if he is available. Now a stay at home dman, and a center like O'Reilly would be interesting... 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 Weber's hit isn't 14, it's 7.87. I'd take him in a second for that. Mantha, Jurco, Nyquist, or Tatar+Kindl+D prospect. A top 4 of Kronwall, Weber, Ericsson, and Dekeyser would be one of, I'd not the best, d units in the NHL.Nothing like trading away all of our future assets for one guy.Wed end up in the same exact spot as Nashville is now, and have nothing for when pav. Retires. 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I agree with Dickie about Green. I just moved to Washington D.C. in November and I watch a lot of Caps games. Green is ******* horrible. He plays zero defense, he's no good on the PP anymore, and he makes way too much money to be in and out of the lineup on a weekly basis. No thanks. I disagree with Dickie about Weber. He's hugely overrated defensively. Sure he can score, and he's pretty good defensively, but like Letang he's an offensive defenseman dressed up (and paid) like a two way guy. He's not. Plus, take a look at all the guaranteed money he gets based on insane bonuses. There's no way the Wings should bring in a guy who's going to make almost 30 million dollars a year for the next two or three years. And they definitely shouldn't gut their promising young forwards to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Playmaker Report post Posted January 25, 2014 Nothing like trading away all of our future assets for one guy. Wed end up in the same exact spot as Nashville is now, and have nothing for when pav. Retires. 7.87 is much better! It still makes me nervous to take on a deal that will go another 12 or 13 years, especially with the cap rules the way they are now. One good hit and the Wings are on the hook for a hundred million and a big cap hit for years to come. Fitting it under the cap this year wouldn't be possible, but next year, piece of cake. Unbelievably, for about what we are paying Bert, Sammy and Cleary. I might do two of those young guys, but not all three. Maybe substitute a draft pick or a d prospect like Almquist or Oullette or someone like Ferraro or Pulkkinen. I still don't see it happening, because Holland just doesn't make blockbusters like that, but it would sure improve our defense quickly. While he has a wicked shot and is tough, I don't think he's that puck moving defenseman that would really help to improve the Wings offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshy207 156 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 All depends on how the Wings are playing and where they are in the standings in the week leading up to the deadline. If they're playing well and in the thick of things, like they have been the last couple weeks, then look to add a defenseman. If they're falling out, maybe look to move a piece or two and make room for guys next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I wouldn't trade all those forwards either, which is why I listed them with and "or." One of them, plus Kindl, and one D prospect, or Kindl and 2 d prospects, isn't going to gut the team's future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I believe this thread is full of wishful thinking. Especially when the players involved are current roster players. I don't know why, but the salary cap has absolutely nurtured Ken Holland when it comes to trades of any kind really. If I'm not mistaken, not considering the Brad Stuart trade, he has traded TWO roster players since the beginning of the 2005-2006 season. Jason Williams for Kyle Calder Ville Leino for whatever Philly would give us. Here is a list of our trades: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Detroit_Red_Wings/1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I don't know if this has anything to do with the lack of trades, or even if its true. but we've been too good for too long, and I think the rest of the league wants to see us fall from grace. We've had low draft picks and rarely first rounders, yet we continue to find amazing players late... It makes every other franchise look like jokes, no team wants to trade anything that would help us unless it was something that drastically improved them which is kind of true in any situation. Once again that may not be the case at all. But it kinda seems that way, especially after the rick Nash thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I don't see the Wings having anything that the Preds want right now. They need scoring, same as the Wings. While we have some decent young players, the Wings don't really have that can't miss young star of the future that the Preds covet. While I'd love to have Weber, his contract would really handcuff any team for years to come. With Weber's style of play, he's not likely to be effective into his late 30's. I think I'd rather have two defensemen for 7 million instead of Weber for 14 and the anchor of another 12+ years of a contract. They do need scoring, but, at the same time, that's part of their identity. The only truly big name goal-scorer I can remember ever playing for the Preds is Paul Kariya. They brought in that Swedish guy from the Blackhawks this past summer with the expectation that he'd be one of their better forwards. I want to believe they'd jump at the chance to have a couple of our non-Nugent-Hopkins roster players (plus a great prospect or two, and a first, and the Ark of the Covenant), especially considering how well they know us. Probably not, but maybe. His contract and durability are legitimate concerns, but I just feel like...come on. It's Shea Weber. On our team. For the rest of his career. There are worse things that could happen to us. Sure, I'd prefer two seven-million dollar defensemen, but that's even more unlikely than landing Weber. Mind you, I'm not saying I disagree with anything you said. I don't. We're very much of the same mind on this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 I believe this thread is full of wishful thinking. Especially when the players involved are current roster players. I don't know why, but the salary cap has absolutely nurtured Ken Holland when it comes to trades of any kind really. If I'm not mistaken, not considering the Brad Stuart trade, he has traded TWO roster players since the beginning of the 2005-2006 season. Jason Williams for Kyle Calder Ville Leino for whatever Philly would give us. Here is a list of our trades: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Detroit_Red_Wings/1 Well, Kenny's never been very active in the trade market. He's not going to make moves just to make them, but I don't think that necessarily means he's particularly averse to making trades. For most of Kenny's tenure, we've been a very good team, so the possible trades that would improve us were more limited, particularly those involving roster players. We've relied heavily on older players, usually have low draft picks and prospects that weren't that good, so our trade assets haven't been all that attractive. Now, though, we're not as good, so there are more options for improvement. We still don't have many roster players worth trading, but the prospect pool looks good and a lot of them are close to maturity (or already mature). With the cap and injury situations this year, I don't think any significant moves are very realistic. But I think the next couple offseasons could be more interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Playmaker Report post Posted January 25, 2014 They do need scoring, but, at the same time, that's part of their identity. The only truly big name goal-scorer I can remember ever playing for the Preds is Paul Kariya. They brought in that Swedish guy from the Blackhawks this past summer with the expectation that he'd be one of their better forwards. I want to believe they'd jump at the chance to have a couple of our non-Nugent-Hopkins roster players (plus a great prospect or two, and a first, and the Ark of the Covenant), especially considering how well they know us. Probably not, but maybe. His contract and durability are legitimate concerns, but I just feel like...come on. It's Shea Weber. On our team. For the rest of his career. There are worse things that could happen to us. Sure, I'd prefer two seven-million dollar defensemen, but that's even more unlikely than landing Weber. Mind you, I'm not saying I disagree with anything you said. I don't. We're very much of the same mind on this. I think if there is anyone worth the risk who's legitimately available, it's Weber. The Wings are in a position now where they have to take risks. Like the previous poster mentioned, the Wings never really had to make big trades before, because we always had a competitive team, and it just need tweeking. I'm still not holding my breath that it'll happen, but I think it'd be well worth a few prospects. I think a top 2 defenseman would make a world of difference. While it would seem like it would take a King's ransom to get him, I'm always surprised when a "star" player is traded. My first thought is always "that's it? That's all they got for him?" So it may not take as much as we think. I guess it all depends on how much the Preds want to shed the salary. Last I checked, they weren't in the playoffs, so they might be thinking we can miss the playoffs without having to pay this big salary. I also am not as schooled on our prospects that many here are. I don't know how they are valued around the league. What would everyone talk about if we got a big tough Canadian defenseman in his prime? I don't think we'll ever find out, but an interesting thought 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted January 26, 2014 Just some of the rumors I have read at one point or another this past week. ED looking for D. Col looking for D Boston looking for D, let one rumor had them willing to move McQuaid. Wash looking for D, maybe looking to move Green-money dump Pho looking for O STL looking for a G-Miller? Ott looking for scoring-Moulson? Feb 28 and Col moving O'Reilly? Doubt it, but if.........I know water under the bridge...... O'Reilly would be awesome here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 I am going to be one of the first to have it written down. This summer, Ken Holland will pursue and most likely attain the services of Shea Weber. Nashville didn't like that contract to begin with and they are really riding the bottom of the NHL and will look for a new direction. Babcock will spend the Olympics schmoozing Weber and talking up the direction of the Red Wings, and when the Wings make the playoffs for the 23rd straight season this will solidify Weber's decision to want to come to Detroit. The price will be hefty, but it will involve our 1st round pick this season to give Nashville TWO picks in the top 17. It may include some guys that we do not want to lose, but for Weber, the price is worth it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,521 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 I am going to be one of the first to have it written down. This summer, Ken Holland will pursue and most likely attain the services of Shea Weber. Nashville didn't like that contract to begin with and they are really riding the bottom of the NHL and will look for a new direction. Babcock will spend the Olympics schmoozing Weber and talking up the direction of the Red Wings, and when the Wings make the playoffs for the 23rd straight season this will solidify Weber's decision to want to come to Detroit. The price will be hefty, but it will involve our 1st round pick this season to give Nashville TWO picks in the top 17. It may include some guys that we do not want to lose, but for Weber, the price is worth it... You're off your rocker man, but I do appreciate your enthusiasm. 1 wingedominance13 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) just wanted to get it written down...Nashville trading Weber is already being tossed around the media, why not Detroit? http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/53972-should-preds-trade-shea-weber-the-answer-may-surprise-you.html Edited January 27, 2014 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 The article above is from November. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 How do you guys feel about Ekman-Larsson? I don't know how we'd do it but I'd love to get him here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 now that I look at it, it's actually from October. But hey, if they were mentioning it at the start of the season, just think how much they may entertain the idea now!!! Preds are bottom dwelling the NHL and with the return Weber could bring, they could have a nice group of players/picks to start that climb back up. They could re-build their D around Jones... I am just saying, if Nashville is selling, I hope Holland is the buyer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 On one hand., Weber is really the only star they have. On the other, he could bring a lot back, and if they get the right prospects it could work out pretty well for them Kindl, a D prospect, and a young forward. I'd do it. How do you guys feel about Ekman-Larsson? I don't know how we'd do it but I'd love to get him here. Great player, not getting traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
