michigan2014 6 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 I want to make it clear that we are not getting either guy. This is purely hypothetical. It has been mentioned quite a bit that the Wings do not have a future #1 center in the pipeline. A Datsyuk, Crosby, Toews, Getzlaf, Staal, or Bergeron caliber guy. If the Wings had the choice of Steven Stamkos or John Tavares, and could get one of the two through a trade, who would you go with? It is a tough choice. Personally, I would go with Tavares, as he has been able to carry a team without someone like Martin St. Louis next to him, and has shown to be less injury prone. But the Wings couldn't go wrong with either guy. Again, it's not happening. Even if the Wings offered 5 first round picks, Nyquist, Sproul, and Mrazek, I still doubt Garth Snow or Stevie would take is seriously. Who would you rather have? Let's hear it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 stamkos. best scorer in the league, wings dont score much. it would be similar to having a fedorov again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Can't go wrong with either one so a tough choice Mantha - Tavares would be too good to be true Stamkos is by far the best scorer in the league, Wings lack a goalscoring machine and he is exactly that Edited January 23, 2014 by frankgrimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 JT, because he is a better rounded player and would fit our system. 1 brett reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Stamkos for sure. Btw how do you figure he is injury prone? This is the first time he's had an injury. He hasn't missed a game since he only played 79 games his rookie year, and if you call sliding into a post and your leg breaking injury prone, then you have a very broad definition of that term. Stamkos is the better player, and I believe st. Louis has been as effective as he has because of Stamkos 3 ahkmed, kipwinger and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Stammer hands down. One of the best pure goal scorers to ever lace em up. A future HOFer forsure. All our scoring woes would be POOF gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,518 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 I'd rather have Stamkos because I remember how Datsyuk looked the last time he had a real shooter playing on his wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Such a close call between these two. But for me I give the slight edge to Tavares. He's more durable and has a lot less to work with than Stamkos does. But like others have said, you really can't go wrong with either one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Hands down Tavares .... Easy to go for the goal scorer but Tavares is amazing all around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Stamkos for sure. Btw how do you figure he is injury prone? This is the first time he's had an injury. He hasn't missed a game since he only played 79 games his rookie year, and if you call sliding into a post and your leg breaking injury prone, then you have a very broad definition of that term. Stamkos is the better player, and I believe st. Louis has been as effective as he has because of Stamkos Stamkos is definitely not injury prone. However, regardless of how it happened, he has now had a very major injury. And just like a car, once you have one major accident, sometimes other little things can start to go wrong even after things get patched up. Or, he could re-injure the same leg again. Whereas Tavares is likely to stay more durable, since he has avoided any major injuries thus far into his career. If this question was asked before Stamkos broke his leg, it would be a no brainer. But considering the circumstances here, (along with Tavares playing on a much worse team) I give Tavares a very slight edge. Edited January 23, 2014 by TheDetroitRedWings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Kate Upton or Adriana Lima. Hmmmm, yes please. 1 BadgerBob reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Kate Upton or Adriana Lima. Hmmmm, yes please.This isn't a popular opinion.But I think Kate Uptons face is hit. Amazing body though. And Tavares would probably fit this team better, but I wouldn't pass up stamkos, that shot is sexy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Tough choice for me. I don't care about who'd fit better because they're world class players and I think either would fit just fine. IMO Tavares would make his linemates better but Stamkos can create goals and would be a go-to guy to shoot on the PP. I'm really not certain who I'd like on the team but something's telling me Tavares. Weak answer, I know, but oh well. This isn't a popular opinion.But I think Kate Uptons face is hit.Amazing body though.And Tavares would probably fit this team better, but I wouldn't pass up stamkos, that shot is sexy. I agree. Her elbows are too pointy and her knees are sharp as well. 2/10 at best, I wouldn't even exchange a greeting. 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Upton is very sexy but I think chicks like Adriana Lima and Rosie Huntington Whitelie are in a league of their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I agree. Her elbows are too pointy and her knees are sharp as well. 2/10 at best, I wouldn't even exchange a greeting.Ha.Like I said. Not a popular opinion. But back on topic. I'd take either in a heartbeat, stamkos is always a threat to win the rocket Richard and we need guys who can put the puck in the net. Edited January 23, 2014 by jimmyemeryhunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Ha. Like I said. Not a popular opinion. But back on topic. I'd take either in a heartbeat, stamkos is always a threat to win the rocket Richard and we need guys who can put the puck in the net. Lol no worries I'm just pulling your chain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 JT - so complete. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted January 23, 2014 Stamkos is definitely not injury prone. However, regardless of how it happened, he has now had a very major injury. And just like a car, once you have one major accident, sometimes other little things can start to go wrong even after things get patched up. Or, he could re-injure the same leg again. Whereas Tavares is likely to stay more durable, since he has avoided any major injuries thus far into his career. If this question was asked before Stamkos broke his leg, it would be a no brainer. But considering the circumstances here, (along with Tavares playing on a much worse team) I give Tavares a very slight edge. I don't know its just a broken leg, if it were a back issue or concussion or something like that I would agree, but when the leg is healed his back won't start hurting magically. Fact is stammer is a goal scoring machine, something we desperately lack and need, we don't need another "well rounded player" or playmaker, we need a shoot first pass later guy, and he can score. Like someone mentioned already it would be like having fedorov again. The only thing is he would have Datsyuk and or Zetterberg setting him up all the time, if you thought he played well with st. Louis.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Stamkos. Like you said, you can't go wrong but I went with Stamkos because holy hell can that guy score goals. 1 RedWang reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Before he got hurt this season: 17 GP 14G 9A 23pts Wouldve scored 60 and won the rocket richard if he played all season. And probably competed with sid for points due to tampas major increase in offense this year. Just based on his on pace numbers. Oh well. Next season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Before he got hurt this season: 17 GP 14G 9A 23pts Wouldve scored 60 and won the rocket richard if he played all season. And probably competed with sid for points due to tampas major increase in offense this year. Just based on his on pace numbers. Oh well. Next season... Pretty small sample size to start projecting whether he's be competing for points race, but based on history and start to the season, pretty reasonable to think he'd be right there in goals. However, Tavares currently is competing with Sid for points. Granted, he's been really hot lately and needed 8pts in 2 nights to creep up there and he's still trailing by a signficant amount, so he might cool off and fade away, not sure. Tavares has always been a great player, but right around a point per game. The question is: is he just on a really hot streak now and wil even out a bit down the stretch, or is he having his break out year? The latter might be more likely, since he is only 23 (same for Stamkos actually) 1 RedWang reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Pretty small sample size to start projecting whether he's be competing for points race, but based on history and start to the season, pretty reasonable to think he'd be right there in goals. However, Tavares currently is competing with Sid for points. Granted, he's been really hot lately and needed 8pts in 2 nights to creep up there and he's still trailing by a signficant amount, so he might cool off and fade away, not sure. Tavares has always been a great player, but right around a point per game. The question is: is he just on a really hot streak now and wil even out a bit down the stretch, or is he having his break out year? The latter might be more likely, since he is only 23 (same for Stamkos actually) Considering stammer has 3 90+ points seasons already and 57 points in 48 games last year it'd be very reasonable to assume his projected points would be pretty accurate and he would have been at or above 100 this year 2 RedWang and frankgrimes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Considering stammer has 3 90+ points seasons already and 57 points in 48 games last year it'd be very reasonable to assume his projected points would be pretty accurate and he would have been at or above 100 this year Considering he had 3 seasons finishing with 90 odd points and a 4th in a row after that with 57 in 48 games (projecting to be in the 90s again over 82 games), I think a safer bet would be him finishing in the 90s again. Not to say over 100 would be out of the question, but he has been a very consistent 90+ point player over the past 4 years, not sure why that would change. Sure, 23 over 17 games projects to 110, but its far too small a sample size to do that. For example, look at his past 4 years 2013 - 26pts in first 17 games (finish on pace for 97 over 82 vs projected 125...not even close) 2012 - 18pts in first 17 games (finished with 97 vs projected 87...hotter later in year) 2011 - 31pts in first 17 games (finished with 91 vs projected 150...not even close) 2010 - 20pts in first 17 games (finished with 95 vs projected 96...pretty good) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michigan2014 6 Report post Posted January 24, 2014 Defensively, who is considered the superior player? I have heard conflicting arguments for both players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted January 25, 2014 Man, if there was only a way to get both of them on the same team. Oh wait... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
