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#21 wings87

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:49 PM

 

3 days is enough.  At that point another day or two isn't going to matter, and more than a week is overkill.  It's not like he woke up the day after he was having headaches and said "I feel good, put me in."  He was doing everything in practice that he needed to do for those 3 days.

 

Well apparently it mattered a lot. Players are notorious liars, they want to play all the time. Its up to the medical staff to make sure that the player is healthy enough to play and with Franzen they dropped the ball. 

 

At what point do we start holding these guys responsible? Weiss kept playing hurt until he finally had to have surgery, Gus keeps getting hurt every other week I could go on and on. There are some on this site that have were calling for Babs and Holland to be fired. While I'm not calling for their heads but when is the training staff going to take some responsibility, not all the injuries have happened because of bad luck.   


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:49 PM

You gotta think this pretty much rules him out for the Olympics.

 

Which sucks for Franzen as he wasn't part of 2006, but at least the Olympic break will give him another 3 weeks to heal up.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 12:58 PM

This forum has a really thin grasp of concussions it seems. He can't will himself better. Concussions hit you no matter how tough you are, and your recovery has nothing to do with your willpower or your strength.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:11 PM

Jesus Christ. I hope Franzen gets better but damn this season has been horrible. These injuries are a nightmare. It sucks for the team and for us as fans we cannot enjoy watching our teams full potential.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:18 PM

This forum has a really thin grasp of concussion it seems. He can't will himself better. Concussion hit you no matter how tough you are, and your recovery has nothing to do with your willpower or your strength.

 

Yup.  And as someone who has had multiple concussions, you never know what can trigger a relapse after you come off one.  you can be perfectly fine doing a bunch of strenuous exercise, think you're over it, and a day or two later they're back.  Your options are never do anything because they might come back or if you feel better try to get back to normal life and hope for the best.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

ZETTERBERG STRAINED HIS BACK? AGAIN? That's a problem he had in the past! His back has become mush! This is definately career ending, probably. Put him on LTIR for good and let his career end. I can't bare to see my hometown boy carry on like this. Think of his family.

*Rolls eyes*

Franzen was symptom free for three days. He didn't expierence another concussion, his symptoms just returned. Suggesting his career is probably over is a wild assumption.

Remember when Crosby missed something like 150 games over 3 seasons due to multiple concusions? I wonder where he's at in the scoring race in 2013-14? There's always going to be the occasional Savard/Pronger, but frankly most players with concussion history return and play on.

For all we know his symptoms will dissapear again tomorrow, and he'll be back again before we know it.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:45 PM

He was only symptom free for 3f****** days, what dumbass decided that it was a good idea to let him play. Hasn't the medical staff learned by now that you don't f*** around with concussions. I'm baffled by the incompetence.

Calling the Red Wings medical/training staff 'incompetent' is a bit harsh.

 

Concussions, and their symptoms aren't exactly fully understood (I know - broken record)...Franzen may have felt fine for a period of time, and then any little bump, or jostle in his last game could cause the symptoms to return.

 

I've been 1 of many here to rag on Franzen, and his work ethic, but he is in fact a pro athlete in a highly competitive league...As much as it pisses me off that he'll now most likely miss the remainder of the season - he at least tried.

 

I'm not certain of his future, but I do hope he gets healthy.



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:45 PM

ZETTERBERG STRAINED HIS BACK? AGAIN? That's a problem he had in the past! His back has become mush! This is definately career ending, probably. Put him on LTIR for good and let his career end. I can't bare to see my hometown boy carry on like this. Think of his family.

 

I think my sarcasm font is broken.  That was supposed to be sarcasm font, no?


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:47 PM

 

I think my sarcasm font is broken.  That was supposed to be sarcasm font, no?

Indeed



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:48 PM

Jesus, a lot of you are making it seem like he's been out for a year or two.  He's not Crosby there fellas, he's missed a good chunk of time, but that happens with concussions.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  I mean, if I had a nickel for every person that said Helm or Bertuzzi was done after last year I'd be typing this post from somewhere that serves drinks with little umbrellas out of Brazilian girls' belly buttons...so basically anywhere in Brazil.


Edited by kipwinger, 28 January 2014 - 01:52 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:49 PM

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:49 PM

Jesus, a lot of you are making it seem like he's been out for a year or two.  He's not Crosby there fellas, he's missed a good chunk of time, but that happens with concussions.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  I mean, if I had a nickel for every person that said Helm or Bertuzzi was done after last year I'd be typing this post from somewhere that serves drinks with little umbrellas out of Brazilian girls belly buttons...so basically anywhere in Brazil.

Can I tag along?

 

I've heard interesting things about those beaches down there, and now - it's summer!



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:52 PM

Can I tag along?

 

I've heard interesting things about those beaches down there, and now - it's summer!

 

I mean, by the sounds of it Franzen will be able to tag along since he's never going to play hockey again...unless...unless, he's a vegetable that is. 

 

Anyway, everyone needs a wing man.  Just don't cramp my style.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:56 PM

 

I mean, by the sounds of it Franzen will be able to tag along since he's never going to play hockey again...unless...unless, he's a vegetable that is. 

 

Anyway, everyone needs a wing man.  Just don't cramp my style.

No worries bro...I'm the life of a party!

 

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#35 kipwinger

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 01:58 PM

No worries bro...I'm the life of a party!

 

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EDIT - and as you can see - I got my thong!

 

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GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 02:02 PM

I was watching the game on Sunday when Franzen took a minor tumble in the corner.  I laughed and said uh, oh, Franzen's out for another six weeks. My kid said, I wish I thought you were joking, but I could totally see that happening.  



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 02:36 PM

Calling the Red Wings medical/training staff 'incompetent' is a bit harsh.

 

Concussions, and their symptoms aren't exactly fully understood (I know - broken record)...Franzen may have felt fine for a period of time, and then any little bump, or jostle in his last game could cause the symptoms to return.

 

I've been 1 of many here to rag on Franzen, and his work ethic, but he is in fact a pro athlete in a highly competitive league...As much as it pisses me off that he'll now most likely miss the remainder of the season - he at least tried.

 

I'm not certain of his future, but I do hope he gets healthy.

 

Not calling the Wings staff incompetent just the the way they handled the Franzen situation. And after reading Hollands comments about Franzen today, its really hard not to call what the training staff did as medical malpractice. 

 

He’s been in constant communication with (the specialist),” Holland said. “He’s got to have a lot of days of being healthy before he plays.”

 

I don't get it, now Franzen needs to have lot's of healthy days before returning and what before it wasn't important? Ridiculous.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 02:50 PM

LTIR for the rest of the season...Get healthy Franzen, come back in 2014. Do the team a favor, let go of that roster spot and cap hit.  You need to get 100000% healthy so you can go back to being the Franzen that was chosen over Hossa... here's you money, take the rest of the season off, we don't want you having to wear helmet off the ice as well!


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 03:55 PM

Imagine having a headache for 3 weeks then you wake up day 22 and its gone and you feel great.

Unfortunately the 'great' feeling is in comparison to the last s***ty 3 weeks of headaches... Doesnt mean Mule was good to go, just feeling relief and much better.

But, when all the tests look good and the patient is happy, feeling 'great' and looking like their normal self it must be very hard for a dr to see any reason to hold you from going back to work or the ice.

This head trama stuff is very tricky and the athletes need to be just as accountable as the med staff.

Im guessing the majority of former or current athletes on this forum lied to a coach/dr/Trainer to get back in the game.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 04:02 PM

 

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Hey - while we're down there...You mind if I splurged, and got a Brazilian 'wax job'?



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