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#41 GMRwings1983

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 05:00 PM

This forum has a really thin grasp of concussions it seems. He can't will himself better. Concussions hit you no matter how tough you are, and your recovery has nothing to do with your willpower or your strength.

 

 

This guy turned out fine despite many concussions.    

 

 

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Franzen needs to toughen up.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 05:48 PM

 

Not calling the Wings staff incompetent just the the way they handled the Franzen situation. And after reading Hollands comments about Franzen today, its really hard not to call what the training staff did as medical malpractice. 

 

He’s been in constant communication with (the specialist),” Holland said. “He’s got to have a lot of days of being healthy before he plays.”

 

I don't get it, now Franzen needs to have lot's of healthy days before returning and what before it wasn't important? Ridiculous.

 

It's not that much different than a knee or any other serious injury.  A guy comes back, thinks he can go, you give him some practice time, and if he holds up in practice and still feels ok, he goes back in.  Now that it's come back, they're going to be more cautious with it


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:15 PM

 

It's not that much different than a knee or any other serious injury.  A guy comes back, thinks he can go, you give him some practice time, and if he holds up in practice and still feels ok, he goes back in.  Now that it's come back, they're going to be more cautious with it

A knee and a concussion are completely different injuries. You have to be extra cautious with concussions, and I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier that players lie. Its up to the coaching staff to be cautious and 3 days is not being cautious in my opinion.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:16 PM

A knee and a concussion are completely different injuries. You have to be extra cautious with concussions, and I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier that players lie. Its up to the coaching staff to be cautious and 3 days is not being cautious in my opinion.

 

As someone who has had concussions, I think 3 days symptom free is enough.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:23 PM

A knee and a concussion are completely different injuries. You have to be extra cautious with concussions, and I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier that players lie. Its up to the coaching staff to be cautious and 3 days is not being cautious in my opinion.

So...When is a good return date for anyone in pro sports who's suffered a concussion? 

 

2 months?

 

4 months?

 

2 years?

 

And as for players who lie.....Should the coaching staff treat them like perps on NYPD Blue?

 

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I'd like to think that the trainers, and MD's whom are part of the Red Wings medical staff know a few things more than you, or I in regards to concussions.


 

As someone who has had concussions, I think 3 days symptom free is enough.

Had a few concussions myself when I was a wee lad...Maybe there's a reason why I was in 'Special Ed' for several years.


Edited by F.Michael, 28 January 2014 - 06:24 PM.


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#46 wings87

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:48 PM

So...When is a good return date for anyone in pro sports who's suffered a concussion? 

 

2 months?

 

4 months?

 

2 years?

 

And as for players who lie.....Should the coaching staff treat them like perps on NYPD Blue?

 

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I'd like to think that the trainers, and MD's whom are part of the Red Wings medical staff know a few things more than you, or I in regards to concussions.


Had a few concussions myself when I was a wee lad...Maybe there's a reason why I was in 'Special Ed' for several years.

The one thing I'll say is every player is different. But in Franzen's case he has had concussion problems in the past, plus the hit that gave him his last concussion wasn't a hard one which makes it reasonable to assume he may not have been fully healthy. I'll concede that the training staff knows more about concussions then me if you concede that they made a mistake clearing Franzen to play.

 

Players shouldn't be interrogated, but the team held Datsyuk out longer with his concussion but Franzen was allowed to play after three days? He missed 16 games but after just three days they let him back in? Yeah every case is different but when dealing with a player with concussion problems the team should air on the side of caution.   


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 06:53 PM

This guy turned out fine despite many concussions.    
 
 
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Franzen needs to toughen up.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 07:01 PM

Franzen needs to kill his wife and kid and then himself?

 

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:45 AM

Franzen needs to kill his wife and kid and then himself?

 

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:53 AM

It's not that much different than a knee or any other serious injury.  A guy comes back, thinks he can go, you give him some practice time, and if he holds up in practice and still feels ok, he goes back in.  Now that it's come back, they're going to be more cautious with it

 

Doesn't really work that way with concussions. Or, at least, it shouldn't.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:21 AM

I think ill be fairly upset if he plays in the Olympics instead of taking some time off to get better. Not my call though.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:36 AM

 

Yup.  And as someone who has had multiple concussions, you never know what can trigger a relapse after you come off one.  you can be perfectly fine doing a bunch of strenuous exercise, think you're over it, and a day or two later they're back.  Your options are never do anything because they might come back or if you feel better try to get back to normal life and hope for the best.

There's a difference between going back to a desk job or hitting the gym for a light work out or going outside to play with your kids and going back to NHL hockey.  When you've had a history of concussions and you were in a fog for a solid 3 weeks and then you have one good day and you're back in the lineup full time, well, that's something I think should be questioned.   I don't think the Olympics can be eliminated from the discussion either.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:13 AM

There's a difference between going back to a desk job or hitting the gym for a light work out or going outside to play with your kids and going back to NHL hockey.  When you've had a history of concussions and you were in a fog for a solid 3 weeks and then you have one good day and you're back in the lineup full time, well, that's something I think should be questioned.   I don't think the Olympics can be eliminated from the discussion either.

 

He was good for 3 days of practice, not one day.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:52 AM

The one thing I'll say is every player is different. But in Franzen's case he has had concussion problems in the past, plus the hit that gave him his last concussion wasn't a hard one which makes it reasonable to assume he may not have been fully healthy. I'll concede that the training staff knows more about concussions then me if you concede that they made a mistake clearing Franzen to play.

 

Players shouldn't be interrogated, but the team held Datsyuk out longer with his concussion but Franzen was allowed to play after three days? He missed 16 games but after just three days they let him back in? Yeah every case is different but when dealing with a player with concussion problems the team should air on the side of caution.   

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:10 AM

 

As someone who has had concussions, I think 3 days symptom free is enough.

Well, since he's back on the IR, you and the Red Wings training staff were wrong.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:15 AM

Just out of curiosity, isn't it possible that nothing nefarious happened and that Franzen simply had a reoccurrence of symptoms which had subsided consistently over the previous week, culminating in three straight days without symptoms at all? 

 

Is that really such an extraordinary sequence of events?


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:41 AM

Franzen needs to kill his wife and kid and then himself?

 

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/wow really?



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 02:05 PM

/wow really?

If you are not being sarcastic.....his comment was in reference to the photo of Chris Benoit and Franzen needing to toughen up.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:21 PM

Put him on LTIR so we have some room to make moves. Leave him there until after the trade deadline when there is no cap. same with Weiss.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:31 PM

Just out of curiosity, isn't it possible that nothing nefarious happened and that Franzen simply had a reoccurrence of symptoms which had subsided consistently over the previous week, culminating in three straight days without symptoms at all?  Is that really such an extraordinary sequence of events?

It sounds like that's exactly what happened. You could come back after 3 good days and be fine or wait 3 weeks and have issues.

Put him on LTIR so we have some room to make moves. Leave him there until after the trade deadline when there is no cap. same with Weiss.

He is on IR but I think the cap is still in effect until the playoffs.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!






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