Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Once again.

In regards to buying out weiss.

His contract was signed after the new CBS was so we cant use our compliance buy out on him, and a regular buy out would stretch his cap hit for 8 yrs, at around $2m a year, aside from two years in the middle where it'll only count a bit under $1m.

Just a reminder.

[Dabura 12,207]

Gotcha. My thought process was that hopefully Snow would want to get SOMETHING for Vanek if he's unable to resign him. I believe Franzen despite the issues we have with him would entice Snow based on past accomplishments and I just picked Jurco because he's a good prospect that is be most comfortable parting with.. What I mean by that is I love Nyquist and Tatar so far and I'm really excited about Mantha. The pick is neither here nor there, throw a 1st in there I don't care just because the draft isn't very deep this year. I'm not up on all the cap stuff so I can't say anything about that. Like I said, it was just a thought.

Edit: thanks for the welcome! I've lurked for a while, just thought it was time to join lol

TBH, Franzen + Jurco + 1st might actually be enough, if only because Garth Snow is Garth Snow. But even then, I absolutely wouldn't do it, because there's a very good chance Vanek will go elsewhere this summer. So, we'd be down one of our better forwards, one of our better prospects (who's a roster player on any other team), and our first-round pick, and likely all for nothing. Vanek would probably just replace Franzen's production, which means we'd have essentially the same roster we had before the trade, which means we'd still be a long shot for the Cup - and winning the Cup is the only reason you'd add a big-name rental like Vanek in the first place (which is why it's weird that Snow went for Vanek. The Isles aren't a serious contender, even with Vanek. I guess he's counting on his charm being able to win Vanek over, long-term.)

If I'm Garth Snow, I'm doing my best to make Vanek happy, keep him as an Isle. And yet, at the same time, I'm making a list. That list is titled "What I Could Get 4 Vanek." It's a list so tantalizing it borders on pr0nographic. Which is why it's a mental list, existing only in my head.

[Dabura 12,207]

I want to bring up Justin Faulk again, since that apparently got no traction on the previous page.

Smart, young, right-handed offensive defenseman who plays a surprisingly mature, well-rounded game. A ton of upside. Has had to step up majorly for the 'canes with Pitkanen being out, and hasn't looked out of place on the top pairing. Will represent the States in Sochi. Basically: a younger, smarter, better, right-handeder Brendan Smith.

Rutherford would be a fool to give him up, but crazier things have happened. Smith and something? Ouellet/Sproul and something? Something something something?

[LeftWinger 4,959]

IMO, unless something falls into Holland's lap (ie Hossa 2008) he should just go with the kids. But unfortunately it's not going to improve the team that way. Franzen is a head case and unless he is 100% by time the buyout expires, he needs to get bought out, then you have to replace him. They absolutely, positutely NEED a #1 defenseman and a different back up goalie. They need a sniper, but that just may come via the farm... I am actually OK with going kids up front, but the D needs something and something quick! I would LOVE to have a UFA or trade deadline scorer. Unfortunately, "getting Pav, Z and Weiss back will be our trade deadline blah blah blah..."

I still say we target Ladd and Bogosian ASAP.

I would trade Smith before I trade Ouellet or Sproul. That being said, I would like to keep all of them if at all possible, but in this world, it takes something to get something and if they are looking at someone like Bogosian or Yandle or Edler, it is most definitely going to take something. The trade-able D-men for me are in this order: Quincey, Kindl, Almqvist, Lashoff, Smith....if we have to dig deeper than that, I am getting a little cold in the toes....

[Dabura 12,207]

Some combination of Nyquist/Tatar, Smith, Quincey, Kindl, Almqvist, Marchenko, Ouellet/Sproul, and a 1st for Justin Faulk.

Boom. I just saved Christmas.

[LeftWinger 4,959]

Franzen in a head case and damaged goods...add that to his dumb ass contract length and nobody would take him from us. We are stuck with him until he retires...Can only hope that he takes LTIR and gets back 100% or retires over the summer if he cannot get his head straight.

I would be more apt to trade Nike over Tats. Tats would probably garner more in return...but given the choice, I think we would miss Tats more than Nike...

[Dabura 12,207]

I would be more apt to trade Nike over Tats. Tats would probably garner more in return...but given the choice, I think we would miss Tats more than Nike...

I like that I'm not the only one who calls him Nike. Even though it's technically a female name. (lolz girly euro amirite?)

I think he's a bit more valuable and would fetch us more. He's a pretty legitimate top-six playmaking winger with some nice goal-scoring upside. Tatar is, I feel, less proven, more of a question mark. He's raw, plays like what he is: a goal-hungry rookie. And we love that about him. But you know what I'm saying.

Nyquist alone wouldn't get us anything great, but packaged with a pick and a prospect, that might do the trick.

[Dabura 12,207]

Analysis: On Justin Faulk's Value [sunbelt Hockey Journal]

Kronwall for Faulk?

[Dabura 12,207]

lolz:

Faulk was also one of the most disciplined players in the league this season, taking just five minor penalties all year. He also proved that he’s capable of dropping the mitts when necessary, as seen here against Stephen Weiss:

[matt198913 932]

Dangle Datsyuk see what he's worth. I would be up to adding Faulk. certainly would be an upgrade to any of our D maybe besides Ericsson in their own zone.

[pucktividi 472]

I don't believe a single word to Ken anymore.We like our kids...until he kicks tires on a next aging veteran signing.

[stillwater 186]

Just a reality check for those in love with the idea of Vanek.

Soon, he'll be 5 years removed from his last 40 goal season. He's a 30-year old looking to be paid for the past, not what his future production will likely be. He'll be looking for a big pay day. He's not a power forward and not good defensively.

When Dickie says that Jurco may be the better player soon, he's not far off.

Edited January 30, 2014 by stillwater

[Dabura 12,207]

Just a reality check for those in love with the idea of Vanek.

Soon, he'll be 5 years removed from his last 40 goal season. He's a 30-year old looking to be paid for the past, not what his future production will likely be. He'll be looking for a big pay day. He's not a power forward and not good defensively.

When Dickie says that Jurco may be the better player soon, he's not far off.

No need for the reality check. I think we all understand it isn't Vanek-or-bust. I don't think he's a power forward. I don't think he plays a two-way game. I don't think he isn't mostly past his prime. I'd want him because he'd fill a hole. That hole is a big-bodied, right-handed, first-line scoring winger good for around 30 goals.

Jurco's gonna be that guy for us. (I'm the one who wants him on our first line this season.) But he's not quite there yet. In the meantime, Alfredsson will be gone, Franzen will be well on his way to 40, and Datsyuk and Zetterberg won't be getting any younger, healthier, faster, better. On top of that, Weiss is currently a question mark, and neither Nyquist nor Tatar is necessarily going to be a 30-goal scorer in the NHL. Beyond Jurco, we have Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen on the farm. Jarnkrok has a long way to go before he's an elite two-way center in the NHL, and Pulkkinen is a tiny sniper who may or may not pan out. Mantha is a long, long way off, no matter how promising he is. Frk has struggled mightily.

All of which is to say: Signing Thomas Vanek? We could do worse.

I get that he's looking to get paid. That's no secret. I get that it'll be an overpayment, because that's how these things work. That's also no secret. But we should have a lot of money coming off the books this summer. That might also include Alfredsson. And maybe Gustavsson. And maybe Kindl. And maybe a bottom-six forward. So it's not like one big signing is going to wreck us. And it's not like we'd have to give up Jurco. Vanek and Jurco aren't mutually exclusive. We could have both.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Dabura

[cnot19 191]

We need someone with some aggressiveness. When were losing we need someone who will throw a massive hit fight or scrum. The wings have to be the most boring team to watch while losing

[DickieDunn 2,571]

If Vanek could be had for 5 years $30 million I'd do it. Very much more than that, I'd stick with the kids. Unless Franzen retires, then getting Vanek or Moulson becomes a bigger need.

[stillwater 186]

No matter the team, or the sport ... it's usually not much fun watching your favorite team lose.

Fighting won't change that.

[cnot19 191]

If Vanek could be had for 5 years $30 million I'd do it. Very much more than that, I'd stick with the kids. Unless Franzen retires, then getting Vanek or Moulson becomes a bigger need.

I'd go five for 35 for vanek

[Buppy 1,720]

No need for the reality check. I think we all understand it isn't Vanek-or-bust. I don't think he's a power forward. I don't think he plays a two-way game. I don't think he isn't mostly past his prime. I'd want him because he'd fill a hole. That hole is a big-bodied, right-handed, first-line scoring winger good for around 30 goals.

Jurco's gonna be that guy for us. (I'm the one who wants him on our first line this season.) But he's not quite there yet. In the meantime, Alfredsson will be gone, Franzen will be well on his way to 40, and Datsyuk and Zetterberg won't be getting any younger, healthier, faster, better. On top of that, Weiss is currently a question mark, and neither Nyquist nor Tatar is necessarily going to be a 30-goal scorer in the NHL. Beyond Jurco, we have Jarnkrok and Pulkkinen on the farm. Jarnkrok has a long way to go before he's an elite two-way center in the NHL, and Pulkkinen is a tiny sniper who may or may not pan out. Mantha is a long, long way off, no matter how promising he is. Frk has struggled mightily.

All of which is to say: Signing Thomas Vanek? We could do worse.

I get that he's looking to get paid. That's no secret. I get that it'll be an overpayment, because that's how these things work. That's also no secret. But we should have a lot of money coming off the books this summer. That might also include Alfredsson. And maybe Gustavsson. And maybe Kindl. And maybe a bottom-six forward. So it's not like one big signing is going to wreck us. And it's not like we'd have to give up Jurco. Vanek and Jurco aren't mutually exclusive. We could have both.

I'd be all for pursuing Vanek as a UFA, but trading for him this year is hardly feasible. Somehow I doubt they'd take Bert, Sammy, & Cleary for him, and anything else creates another hole and/or makes an already bad cap situation far worse. All for someone who may not stick around after this season.

And for the people dreaming about Faulk... I can't see why Carolina would even entertain the thought of trading him for anything less than eye-popping overpayment, except maybe straight up for Marc Staal.

[Dabura 12,207]

I'd be all for pursuing Vanek as a UFA, but trading for him this year is hardly feasible. Somehow I doubt they'd take Bert, Sammy, & Cleary for him, and anything else creates another hole and/or makes an already bad cap situation far worse. All for someone who may not stick around after this season.

And for the people dreaming about Faulk... I can't see why Carolina would even entertain the thought of trading him for anything less than eye-popping overpayment, except maybe straight up for Marc Staal.

No, I'm with you, trading for Vanek would be impossible and make no sense. When I say he'd be a good add, I mean as a UFA.

Faulk is unobtainable. But I can dream.

[SerenityNow 4]

What are your guys' thoughts on Gaborik?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

What are your guys' thoughts on Gaborik?

He's slowing down. Someone is going to give him far too many years. I'd be ok with him for 3 years, at the right salary, maybe $5.5 a year.

[SerenityNow 4]

I've heard talk of him being a cancer in the locker room? Some friends who are jackets fans said that everyone wants him gone.

[Dabura 12,207]

Gaborik strikes me as high-risk; he seems to be made of glass, and he has a bit of a reputation for being somewhat "difficult." 7-8M is a lot of money for someone who's probably going to be injured half the time and clash with Babs.

[Cloune 270]

Parenteau + Vanek !

[cnot19 191]

Parenteau + Vanek !

sorry no to PA having seen him play a couple years hes not a player a want, plays with no hustle, physicality, or anything like that. id much perefer a guy who can get us going when we have nothing.