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Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

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I would offer E and Tatar for Bogosian. Jets are looking for LHD.

I like Tatar but Bogosian is Bogosian.

Personally, I think you're way overpaying for Bogo. He's never really lived up to all his potential. He was supposed to be like Shea Weber, a guy who does it all. And while they're stylistically similar, Bogo doesn't score nearly as much and drops coverage more than he should. He's certainly not bad, pretty good even, but Tatar will score 30 goals in one of the next two years, I don't trade him for any d-man that doesn't produce any more than Bogo does.

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For once, I wouldn't care if Holland stands pat. If Z is out any extended period of time (which seems like a foregone conclusion), I don't see the Red Wings making the playoffs. Not only Z missing, but Franzen hasn't skated either. There isn't anybody available at the deadline that screams impact player and do we really want to give up assets for a rental on a borderline playoff team?

Play Sheahan and Jurco the rest of the season. Continue with Nyquist and Tatar developing for the future. I don't want too many more "transitional years" since the Euro Twins are approaching the end, but I'm not sure this team was a contender even with a full contingent of healthy bodies.

Build for next season. The dead weight will be gone and there is ample cap space to address glaring needs like the defense.

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Personally, I think you're way overpaying for Bogo. He's never really lived up to all his potential. He was supposed to be like Shea Weber, a guy who does it all. And while they're stylistically similar, Bogo doesn't score nearly as much and drops coverage more than he should. He's certainly not bad, pretty good even, but Tatar will score 30 goals in one of the next two years, I don't trade him for any d-man that doesn't produce any more than Bogo does.

He is 23 - still growing as a Dman and has done very well playing big minutes. He will peak like most Dmen do later in his 20s (I actually don't remember Weber being a top dman at 23 and if he was a good as Weber we couldn't acquire him). He is big and a good skater. Having said that I agree Tatar is too much to add to E - I would offer something around Pulkkinen + E + 2nd. Having developed so many prospects I would prefer to include our 1st over our prospects so if E + 1st + 3rd did it I would be happier.

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About the same time last year Tatar was involved in every trade proposal on LGW,cause he's a smallish guy.

The history repeats,except Pulkinnen is the guy now.Let's see him first playing the big club games.Last I've checked he's doing pretty well on the Griffins.

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About the same time last year Tatar was involved in every trade proposal on LGW,cause he's a smallish guy.

The history repeats,except Pulkinnen is the guy now.Let's see him first playing the big club games.Last I've checked he's doing pretty well on the Griffins.

There's also the fact that teams won't want Pulk as a main part of a trade package for a good player. They'll want Tatsr and Nyquist.

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Nikolai Kulemin 28 this summer. 6-1/225 LH LW/RW. His per 82 game averages for his career is 17 goals per season. UFA class 2014. Averages over 2 hits per game.

Now I have thought the idea of adding him was a good one for several years. Might be a good running mate for Datsyuk. He has a season best of 30 goals a few years ago, so he has some scoring ability. The ML seem to be willing to let him walk. if we could add him for say 5 years at 3.5 million per would be a good deal.

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Nikolai Kulemin 28 this summer. 6-1/225 LH LW/RW. His per 82 game averages for his career is 17 goals per season. UFA class 2014. Averages over 2 hits per game.

Now I have thought the idea of adding him was a good one for several years. Might be a good running mate for Datsyuk. He has a season best of 30 goals a few years ago, so he has some scoring ability. The ML seem to be willing to let him walk. if we could add him for say 5 years at 3.5 million per would be a good deal.

That's definitely a big if. The way a lot of these contracts have been looking lately, I'm thinking he would get at least 4.5M (if not more) per season. Wouldn't wanna overpay him too much, but for the right price/term I wouldn't mind seeing him in the red and white. Good young (durable) player.

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If we signed him I'd want him at a shorter term than 5 years. I'd even be willing to pay him a bit more to get the term down.

I want as much flexibility as possible in our forward line-up over the next couple of years to make room for our prospects knocking on the door.

Even though I like Kulemin, I wouldn't want to lose any prospects we've developed over him, especially when we're not probably not going to get the 30 goal scoring Kulemin.

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Kindl, Andersson, Almqvist to NJ for Zids and Jagr...one rental, one to re-sign...

Trade Q to whoever wants him for whatever they offer....( :lol: that so I don't mention Morrow again!)

Waive Sammy again, Bert and Cleary both sit and Franzen is still injured. Z is LTIR, even if he wasn't it would still fit under the cap...until Weiss gets back that is...

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Jagr

Abdelkader - Helm - Alfredsson

Jurco - Sheahan - Tatar

MIller - Glendening - Eaves

Kronwall - Zidlicky

Ericsson - Dekeyser

Smith - Lashoff

Marchenko

...when Weiss comes back you waive Eaves again or send Glenny back down. If Z plays, then you have to waive Cleary and Bert and send down Jurco...unfortunately

On a good team Zidlicky is a 3rd line dman. He's Colaiacovo with more grit, similar injuries, and slightly better puck movement,

Sorry, but moving Kindl, Quincey, and Almqvist is stupid. That's called shooting your defensive prosthetic leg in the foot.

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There are several reasons why Kulemin is a good fit. 1. Maybe most important: he is available. We can all come up with lots of names, but how many are truly available? he is. 2. he is Russian. Linemate for datsyuk and Euros tend to be cheaper on the UFA market than NA players. 3. he has already PROVEN he can play at the NHL level, were as most of our prospects have not. 4. With Z, Franzen, and datsyuk all well over 30 and developing injury issues you need guys in the late 20's-prime years of there careers to help the young guys when they come up. 4. Kulemin is not going to come here and be a 30 goal per year guy. But 20 per year on a line with datsyuk? yes he can do that. 5. We have tons of cap room for the next couple of years, baring any stupid resigning by Holland. best guess right now is 16 million after we resign our RFA's for next season. More if franzen is bought out/LTIR and Z is LTIR. Plus we have a buyout left to use. cap room and payroll flexability we have, proven NHL players is what we are short on.

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Also curious as to why they had the call ups today. Does conditioning camp for the red wings start soon or something?

First off welcome to the boards.

This is from KuklasKorner:

This is interesting, per the Red Wings' PR department. The Grand Rapids Griffins are holding a tripleheader this weekend and the Red Wings resume practicing at Joe Louis Arena today at 2 PM, and they'll resume their NHL season with games in Montreal on the 26th and in Ottawa on the 27th. Will some of these warm bodies be with them, or is this just maximizing-LTIR-spending stuff while augmenting the practice squad?

So I guess it could just be bodies for practice till the Olympians return. But who knows.

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On a good team Zidlicky is a 3rd line dman. He's Colaiacovo with more grit, similar injuries, and slightly better puck movement,

Sorry, but moving Kindl, Quincey, and Almqvist is stupid. That's called shooting your defensive prosthetic leg in the foot.

Not sure you're thinking of the right player. His injury history is no where near as bad as Colas and he's much better offensively. And while he's definitely an offensive defenseman, he's not a major liability defensively. He's currently playing top-line minutes on one of the better defensive teams. He's at least no worse or more mistake-prone than Q or Smith, so we'd at least break even on defense while greatly improving our offense from the back end.

And I'm not sure how moving an AHL player, who may not have a future here (and maybe not even an NHL future), a player in the scratch rotation, and a player that doesn't fit here, and probably won't be back, is shooting anything.

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Not sure you're thinking of the right player. His injury history is no where near as bad as Colas and he's much better offensively. And while he's definitely an offensive defenseman, he's not a major liability defensively. He's currently playing top-line minutes on one of the better defensive teams. He's at least no worse or more mistake-prone than Q or Smith, so we'd at least break even on defense while greatly improving our offense from the back end.

And I'm not sure how moving an AHL player, who may not have a future here (and maybe not even an NHL future), a player in the scratch rotation, and a player that doesn't fit here, and probably won't be back, is shooting anything.

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - DeKeyser

Lashoff - Griffin

^^^^ Is not a D corp I want entering the playoffs. We are weakest at D, why would we want to make that worse by making Lashoff a regular, a rookie a regular, and giving Smith more ice time? What happens if one, or even multiple, D-men go down with injuries? We'd really be up sh**s creek then. Just cause our young forwards have flourished this season doesn't mean our young D-men will too. Case and point: Smith and Kindl. We should be trimming forwards and adding defensive depth.

About Zidlicky, you're correct about his injuries. I think his injury in Minnesota a few years ago just stuck out in my mind cause he was on my fantasy team that year, other than that you're right, he's been pretty healthy. He's a great puck mover and for an offensive D-man he isn't afraid to hit at all. I just think members around here would start throwing fits about his defense... though he's no worse than Q and the gang at this point either like you said.

At the end of the day, whether he were to re-sign at the end of the season with us or not, at 37 years old he's a rental. I might be willing to part with our 1st for that this year, if the draft class really is as weak as they say.

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Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - DeKeyser

Lashoff - Griffin

^^^^ Is not a D corp I want entering the playoffs. We are weakest at D, why would we want to make that worse by making Lashoff a regular, a rookie a regular, and giving Smith more ice time? What happens if one, or even multiple, D-men go down with injuries? We'd really be up sh**s creek then. Just cause our young forwards have flourished this season doesn't mean our young D-men will too. Case and point: Smith and Kindl. We should be trimming forwards and adding defensive depth.

About Zidlicky, you're correct about his injuries. I think his injury in Minnesota a few years ago just stuck out in my mind cause he was on my fantasy team that year, other than that you're right, he's been pretty healthy. He's a great puck mover and for an offensive D-man he isn't afraid to hit at all. I just think members around here would start throwing fits about his defense... though he's no worse than Q and the gang at this point either like you said.

At the end of the day, whether he were to re-sign at the end of the season with us or not, at 37 years old he's a rental. I might be willing to part with our 1st for that this year, if the draft class really is as weak as they say.

You're forgetting that the whole point of moving those guys was to bring in Zidlicky (and Jagr in LWs proposal). Basically the same defense we have now, just with Zidlicky in Quincey's spot, and Ouellet/Marchenko/Sproul in the 7 spot. Depth may be a little worse, but the top 6 is better. It also frees up a bit of cap space.

But I agree that a lot of people here would hate him.

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