Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[wings87 1,290]

You can't seriously have read my last post and thought that what I said was "Pronger and Chara don't create offense". They do. But they're defense first defenseman who chipped in offense. But chipping in offense wasn't their main responsibility or concern. Compare that to Erik Karlsson...who is an offensive defenseman. If you still don't recognize the difference you're being intentionally obstinate.

I recognize the difference, but the numbers that Chara and Pronger put up offensively are much more then just chipping in. The offensive defenceman has changed, there won't be a pure offensive defenseman anymore; teams put too much of a premium on defense. Just look at Kronwall, he came up as a pure offensive d man, but has evolved into more of a defensive role.

My argument is that teams put an emphasis on defense which has changed the traditional offensive defenceman.

[brooklynsour 31]

http://letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?/topic/75944-Trade-deadline-fast-approaching---who-should-we-target?#entry2488135

Check out what me and kip have been telling you it shows some name of offensive minded dmen....

[wings87 1,290]

Wait, so you REALLY don't see the difference between Pronger or Chara and Karlsson or Subban? You think they're all offensive defensemen? Really?

No I don't think that at all. But don't bring up Subban the guy is a complete tool.

[brooklynsour 31]

Erik karlsson yandle Campbell subban maybe doughty, Markov, green, del zotto

[wings87 1,290]

I'm okay with Kesler, I just don't think he'd wanna come here. I get the feeling he cannot stand Detroit. I'd rather Stewart if we get a forward.

Edit: But only if we land a top 4 dman as well, as that is the bigger need. A forward would be nice as to have someone to take Alfie's place going forward

Love Kesler's toughness but no way he comes here. We have a better chance of landing the Sedins.

[kipwinger 8,521]

No I don't think that at all. But don't bring up Subban the guy is a complete tool.

This is an honest question...are you drunk right now?

[marcaractac 3,962]

This thread is turning into arguing over who is/isn't an offensive dman

[brooklynsour 31]

Ddmen chara, MacDonald, hamonic, bieksa, kronwall&weber(versatile), hal gil, McQuaid, just top of my head

[wings87 1,290]

Erik karlsson yandle Campbell subban maybe doughty, Markov, green, del zotto

I've been wanting Yandle for a couple years now but he makes too much sense for Holland to actually make it happen.

[brooklynsour 31]

If u tell me the 87 is in your name is for Crosby I'll understand everything and pas out

[wings87 1,290]

This is an honest question...are you drunk right now?

Disagreeing with you makes me drunk? Come on son.

If u tell me the 87 is in your name is for Crosby I'll understand everything and pas out

Seriously? I actually have nothing to say to that. This thread seems to be spinning out of control.

[brooklynsour 31]

Sorry sorry had to ask, ok enough with the different dmen lol

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Wow I feel like you're accidentally trying to make my points for me. PK Subban was benched on a stacked Team Canada. Tyler Myers didn't even get a try out for a less stacked Team USA. Why do you keep trying to compare Subban to Myers? Subban is clearly 2,000,000 times better than Myers. They're not even close to comparable.

Wow I feel like you're accidentally trying to make my points for me. PK Subban was benched on a stacked Team Canada. Tyler Myers didn't even get a try out for a less stacked Team USA. Why do you keep trying to compare Subban to Myers? Subban is clearly 2,000,000 times better than Myers. They're not even close to comparable.

My point is Subban was benched from team canada because he's a defensive liability , he just got benched last game in mtl for a costly turnover ....your saying myers constantly plays bad(the way your speaking you make it sound like you seen every sabres game)

And the only reason Subban made team canada is so people wouldn't complain about the Norris winner not being there ....Babcock wanted no part of him

[kipwinger 8,521]

My point is Subban was benched from team canada because he's a defensive liability , he just got benched last game in mtl for a costly turnover ....your saying myers constantly plays bad(the way your speaking you make it sound like you seen every sabres game)

And the only reason Subban made team canada is so people wouldn't complain about the Norris winner not being there ....Babcock wanted no part of him

When Myers scores as often as Subban people might be willing to overlook his glaring defensive lapses too. He doesn't, so they don't.

[marcaractac 3,962]

My point is Subban was benched from team canada because he's a defensive liability , he just got benched last game in mtl for a costly turnover ....your saying myers constantly plays bad(the way your speaking you make it sound like you seen every sabres game)

And the only reason Subban made team canada is so people wouldn't complain about the Norris winner not being there ....Babcock wanted no part of him

None of see really see how Subban being benched for Canada and Montreal has anything to do with Detroit going for Myers.

[wings87 1,290]

Sorry sorry had to ask, ok enough with the different dmen lol

Does that mean we're moving on to offense now? Joking... Or am I?... No I'm joking, or...

It seems like a long day.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

A 4 million cap hit would be a nightmare? For a solid, proven dman? I'll tell you what contract is a nightmare. It's the 5.5 mil cap hit that follows Tyler Myers that is absolutely untradable.

There will always be a bottom feeder willing to take a player like Erhoff to reach the cap floor if he were to not be effective 4 years down the road. Good luck getting someone to take on 5.5 mil for a 6'8 turnover machine

Bottom feeder team will take ehroff to reach the floor but not myers? Sure. ..... Myers just turned 24 ehroff is 31 ....myers upside is miles ahead of ehroff .... The way you talk about ehroff you'd think he was the next lidstrom .... He's a reliable 3-4 dman at best

In the end, Myers would be a HUGE risk. That isn't Holland's style, and I'm thankful for that. All these kids in the lineup we all love? We wouldn't have half of them if Holland made all the trades a lot of people here keep wanting.

Sure the potential reward for landing Myers would be big. Far too big a risk to take. Ehrhoff is the safe option. He is the kind of player who would fit in with this team well. The guy can put up 50 points a season, and when paired with the right person, hold his own in the defensive side of things. 4 million per year is very reasonable for what he would bring to the table. Especially when pretty well half of the salary for his contract has already been paid to him. He'd be a steal for this team, and make our back end a lot better going forward.

50 pts??

That's a far stretch

[marcaractac 3,962]

Bottom feeder team will take ehroff to reach the floor but not myers? Sure. ..... Myers just turned 24 ehroff is 31 ....myers upside is miles ahead of ehroff .... The way you talk about ehroff you'd think he was the next lidstrom .... He's a reliable 3-4 dman at best

Exactly. Ehrhoff IS a reliable 3-4 dman, which is what this team needs!! Myers MIGHT be a legit top pairing guy some day. Then again, he might become nothing more than a bottom pairing dman with a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. If a team is gonna take on a contract to hit the cap floor, they are at least gonna want a veteran who can give them solid minutes and teach their young players a thing or two.

You act as if there is no risk in Myers, as if a trade automatically makes him the second coming of Jesus. Thankfully Holland is the GM, and not you.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I'd guess Jarnkrok, Jurco and Nyquist would be the names for top prospects. For proven roster players your guess is as good as mine.

Tatar almquist athanasiou and a 1st for kesler is as much as I'd go .... Wouldn't touch any other of our top prospects or nyquist

Although kesler is a risk cause he gets hurt a lot so don't know if I'd do it

[marcaractac 3,962]

Bottom feeder team will take ehroff to reach the floor but not myers? Sure. ..... Myers just turned 24 ehroff is 31 ....myers upside is miles ahead of ehroff .... The way you talk about ehroff you'd think he was the next lidstrom .... He's a reliable 3-4 dman at best

50 pts??

That's a far stretch

You say that as if he hasn't done it before.

[kipwinger 8,521]

Bottom feeder team will take ehroff to reach the floor but not myers? Sure. ..... Myers just turned 24 ehroff is 31 ....myers upside is miles ahead of ehroff .... The way you talk about ehroff you'd think he was the next lidstrom .... He's a reliable 3-4 dman at best

50 pts??

That's a far stretch

Nobody is saying Erhoff is Lidstrom. Enough hyperbole. All he's saying is that a proven Erhoff at 4 million is a better option than an unproven Myers at 5.5 million. You're welcome to disagree, but don't put words in his mouth. His argument is pretty easy to follow, even if you don't believe it.

Also, it's not too far fetched to think Erhoff could score 50 pts. considering he's already done it once in his career.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I'm okay with Kesler, I just don't think he'd wanna come here. I get the feeling he cannot stand Detroit. I'd rather Stewart if we get a forward.

Edit: But only if we land a top 4 dman as well, as that is the bigger need. A forward would be nice as to have someone to take Alfie's place going forward

Where did you hear he doesn't wanna come here? He's from Michigan if anything I'd think he would wanna come here

[marcaractac 3,962]

Where did you hear he doesn't wanna come here? He's from Michigan if anything I'd think he would wanna come here

He was also an Avs fan growing up. Played in Ohio instead of Michigan, and doesn't seem to like Kronner too much. I love the kind of player he is. He is a warrior. I just don't see him wanting to come here. Would love it if he did, as long as we get a top 4 dman not named Myers as well.

[wings87 1,290]

Nobody is saying Erhoff is Lidstrom. Enough hyperbole. All he's saying is that a proven Erhoff at 4 million is a better option than an unproven Myers at 5.5 million. You're welcome to disagree, but don't put words in his mouth. His argument is pretty easy to follow, even if you don't believe it.

Also, it's not too far fetched to think Erhoff could score 50 pts. considering he's already done it once in his career.

I like Ehrhoff but if we're going to spend on a top defenceman, we also better get a top forward or the assets spent on Ehrhoff would be waisted. Well maybe not totally waisted but wouldn't bring the Wings to where they want to be.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

When Myers scores as often as Subban people might be willing to overlook his glaring defensive lapses too. He doesn't, so they don't.

Myers and Subban both got 8 goals so i guess people are gonna start over looking his glaring defensive lapses as well now ? .... So how many buffalo games have you caught this year? Just curious since you seem to be an expert on Myers the nhl's turnover machine

None of see really see how Subban being benched for Canada and Montreal has anything to do with Detroit going for Myers.

None of see really see how Subban being benched for Canada and Montreal has anything to do with Detroit going for Myers.

He kept bringing up myers being a turnover machine .... And I brought up how Subban turns the puck over a lot and asked if he wouldn't take him as well and this is somehow become myers vs Subban lmao