Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[kipwinger 8,522]

I like Ehrhoff but if we're going to spend on a top defenceman, we also better get a top forward or the assets spent on Ehrhoff would be waisted. Well maybe not totally waisted but wouldn't bring the Wings to where they want to be.

I agree.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Myers and Subban both got 8 goals so i guess people are gonna start over looking his glaring defensive lapses as well now ? .... So how many buffalo games have you caught this year? Just curious since you seem to be an expert on Myers the nhl's turnover machine

Subban isn't without his flaws, but it is laughable to put Myers in the same league as Subban. Subban's biggest weakness is needing to grow up, and put his team first. Subban has the type of ceiling you seem to think Myers has. Subban will be fine once Montreal gets a proper coach. Therrien is an idiot, and his young players won't get better if he doesn't give them a chance to learn.

We need a dman who can get the puck to the forwards. Not cough it up to the opposing team. If Myers was making 2 million a season, I'd be all for Holland taking the risk. But 5.5? He'd be insane. For Buffalo to get rid of him, they will have to take another bad contract in return.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Exactly. Ehrhoff IS a reliable 3-4 dman, which is what this team needs!! Myers MIGHT be a legit top pairing guy some day. Then again, he might become nothing more than a bottom pairing dman with a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. If a team is gonna take on a contract to hit the cap floor, they are at least gonna want a veteran who can give them solid minutes and teach their young players a thing or two.

You act as if there is no risk in Myers, as if a trade automatically makes him the second coming of Jesus. Thankfully Holland is the GM, and not you.

Well thankfully holland is gm and not you as well lol .... Sometimes you need to take a high risk high reward .... Myers isn't chop liver .... He's been on an awful team ..... Put him here with dekeyser and a full season with the full lineup he will get 15-20 foals , he's got 8 now on a bad team and I'm also looking ahead myers just turned 24 he'll fit in nicely with dekeyser and sproul ouellet etc... For the wings future d

Ehroff is 31 if were not gonna have a top star dman in the top 4 I'd rather take a shot with a guy who can be a home run ..... If not I'd personally rather just stay put

I think marchenko can be a reliable stay at home mistake free dman as of next year potentially and ouellet isn't to far off

[wings87 1,290]

Subban isn't without his flaws, but it is laughable to put Myers in the same league as Subban. Subban's biggest weakness is needing to grow up, and put his team first. Subban has the type of ceiling you seem to think Myers has. Subban will be fine once Montreal gets a proper coach. Therrien is an idiot, and his young players won't get better if he doesn't give them a chance to learn.

We need a dman who can get the puck to the forwards. Not cough it up to the opposing team. If Myers was making 2 million a season, I'd be all for Holland taking the risk. But 5.5? He'd be insane. For Buffalo to get rid of him, they will have to take another bad contract in return.

Subban needs a guy that will call him out on his s***. Someone like Torts

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

You say that as if he hasn't done it before.

Once lol ...... I think a more realistic target would be 28-40 pts which is still good for a 4

[kipwinger 8,522]

Myers and Subban both got 8 goals so i guess people are gonna start over looking his glaring defensive lapses as well now ? .... So how many buffalo games have you caught this year? Just curious since you seem to be an expert on Myers the nhl's turnover machine

He kept bringing up myers being a turnover machine .... And I brought up how Subban turns the puck over a lot and asked if he wouldn't take him as well and this is somehow become myers vs Subban lmao

My roommate's from Buffalo and we have the NHL package. I see a lot of their games. He's not very good. He's as bad defensively as Subban and scores half as often. You cannot possible still be trying to argue that Myers is in any way comparable to Subban can you? I mean, you've got to see how that doesn't carry water. That it's just argument for argument's sake. That one of those guys is a dynamic offensive threat who's bad a defense while the other is just bad at defense. Right?

I tell you what, if you REALLY think Myers is the same as Subban, that they're both poor defensively but that their offense makes them worth their money then I'll concede. You win. I honestly can't argue with you if you REALLY believe what you're trying to convince me of right now.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Subban needs a guy that will call him out on his s***. Someone like Torts

Agreed. Firm but fair, however. Torts is too much on the calling out side IMO. He needs a coach that won't put up with his antics, but won't bench him every time he makes a mistake as well.

My roommate's from Buffalo and we have the NHL package. I see a lot of their games. He's not very good. He's as bad defensively as Subban and scores half as often. You cannot possible still be trying to argue that Myers is in any way comparable to Subban can you? I mean, you've got to see how that doesn't carry water. That it's just argument for argument's sake. That one of those guys is a dynamic offensive threat who's bad a defense while the other is just bad at defense. Right?

I tell you what, if you REALLY think Myers is the same as Subban, that they're both poor defensively but that their offense makes them worth their money then I'll concede. You win. I honestly can't argue with you if you REALLY believe what you're trying to convince me of right now.

100% agreed. Subban is a guy you'd "take a risk" on. He has potential to become a top 5 dman in this league. Myers, not even close.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Nobody is saying Erhoff is Lidstrom. Enough hyperbole. All he's saying is that a proven Erhoff at 4 million is a better option than an unproven Myers at 5.5 million. You're welcome to disagree, but don't put words in his mouth. His argument is pretty easy to follow, even if you don't believe it.

Also, it's not too far fetched to think Erhoff could score 50 pts. considering he's already done it once in his career.

Once

I'm sure pens fans thought rob brown would get 100 pts again too when he got 115 with Lemieux .... I guess you just never know .... Wouldn't bet on it

We'll agree to disagree on the ehroff myers debate

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

He was also an Avs fan growing up. Played in Ohio instead of Michigan, and doesn't seem to like Kronner too much. I love the kind of player he is. He is a warrior. I just don't see him wanting to come here. Would love it if he did, as long as we get a top 4 dman not named Myers as well.

Was going nicely till you brought up myers again for no reason lol ...... Didn't know kesler was an avs fan so I guess he won't come here unless for family reasons .... I think he'd fit In nicely here on the 2nd line but I'm worried about his injury problems but so long as we don't give a top notch prospect I'd take a gamble

[marcaractac 3,963]

Once

I'm sure pens fans thought rob brown would get 100 pts again too when he got 115 with Lemieux .... I guess you just never know .... Wouldn't bet on it

We'll agree to disagree on the ehroff myers debate

In the end, it is not the type of risk Holland will take. Arguing about it really is pointless, as Myers will absolutely not happen come Wednesday

Was going nicely till you brought up myers again for no reason lol ...... Didn't know kesler was an avs fan so I guess he won't come here unless for family reasons .... I think he'd fit In nicely here on the 2nd line but I'm worried about his injury problems but so long as we don't give a top notch prospect I'd take a gamble

He would definitely fit in well if he were to put the Kronwalling behind him lol. Sure, he is injury prone and all lol

[kipwinger 8,522]

Once

I'm sure pens fans thought rob brown would get 100 pts again too when he got 115 with Lemieux .... I guess you just never know .... Wouldn't bet on it

We'll agree to disagree on the ehroff myers debate

No need. I conceded. You win. Tyler Myers is as good as PK Subban. Just like you've been trying to prove all night.

[wings87 1,290]

Didn't Hal Gill sorta mentor Subban while he was with the Habs?

Did he?

It's probably just me but Subban reminds me of Avery. Lots of talent, Subban obviously more then Avery, but both guys to selfish to realize how good they could be.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Subban isn't without his flaws, but it is laughable to put Myers in the same league as Subban. Subban's biggest weakness is needing to grow up, and put his team first. Subban has the type of ceiling you seem to think Myers has. Subban will be fine once Montreal gets a proper coach. Therrien is an idiot, and his young players won't get better if he doesn't give them a chance to learn.

We need a dman who can get the puck to the forwards. Not cough it up to the opposing team. If Myers was making 2 million a season, I'd be all for Holland taking the risk. But 5.5? He'd be insane. For Buffalo to get rid of him, they will have to take another bad contract in return.

Thierren is an idiot .... And Subban does have high upside ..... Myers can most definitely bring up the puck to the players ..... Myers reminds me of bouwmeester who no one wanted ....he played with an awful team all his career and everyone thought he'd be a bad pick up

Put myers with datsyuk zetterberg etc and put him on the point on the power play ... Watch out ....I'm sure he'd do a lot better than Samuelson who Babcock for some reason always kept on the ppl

As for the 5.5 sure be nice if it were lower but the cap is going up and wastes like Samuelson and Bert are coming off

[wings87 1,290]

No need. I conceded. You win. Tyler Myers is as good as PK Subban. Just like you've been trying to prove all night.

To be fair not sure he wants to convert anyone. Just defending his stance/contesting his point.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

My roommate's from Buffalo and we have the NHL package. I see a lot of their games. He's not very good. He's as bad defensively as Subban and scores half as often. You cannot possible still be trying to argue that Myers is in any way comparable to Subban can you? I mean, you've got to see how that doesn't carry water. That it's just argument for argument's sake. That one of those guys is a dynamic offensive threat who's bad a defense while the other is just bad at defense. Right?

I tell you what, if you REALLY think Myers is the same as Subban, that they're both poor defensively but that their offense makes them worth their money then I'll concede. You win. I honestly can't argue with you if you REALLY believe what you're trying to convince me of right now.

You honestly think myers playing for the worst team In the league doesn't hurt him?? You don't think if he went on a good team he wouldn't be better

[marcaractac 3,963]

Thierren is an idiot .... And Subban does have high upside ..... Myers can most definitely bring up the puck to the players ..... Myers reminds me of bouwmeester who no one wanted ....he played with an awful team all his career and everyone thought he'd be a bad pick up

Put myers with datsyuk zetterberg etc and put him on the point on the power play ... Watch out ....I'm sure he'd do a lot better than Samuelson who Babcock for some reason always kept on the ppl

As for the 5.5 sure be nice if it were lower but the cap is going up and wastes like Samuelson and Bert are coming off

J-Bo was never bad in Calgary. He just didn't play with an edge. He was just going through the motions. He was never bad by any means. He was still steady, eating up a lot of minutes. Check my history and you'll see I really wanted him here.

Myers is not a steady dman. He coughs up the puck, and looks lost in his own end. He is basically getting paid to be a 2-3 dman, but is producing as if he were a pp specialist. IT's one thing to take a risk on a guy on a one year deal to see if he could live up to potential, but a long term contract at his hit is crazy.

Put Myers on a team with a stacked D, and you can hide his mistakes. But a good team won't pay him that money to not eat big minutes. His only hope is to play for a bad team and get his career back on track.

You honestly think myers playing for the worst team In the league doesn't hurt him?? You don't think if he went on a good team he wouldn't be better

Dude, he already gave up lol. Let it go

Edited March 1, 2014 by marcaractac

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

No need. I conceded. You win. Tyler Myers is as good as PK Subban. Just like you've been trying to prove all night.

I haven't been trying to prove myers was better than subban , I just stated Subban turns the puck over a lot as well and asked if you would pass on him as well because of it

I like you give up lol ..... F this s*it

[kipwinger 8,522]

You honestly think myers playing for the worst team In the league doesn't hurt him?? You don't think if he went on a good team he wouldn't be better

I agree. Buffalo is terrible. It's amazing that Myers has been able to score 17 points on such a terrible team. And since Christian Erhoff is on the same terrible team, his 28 pts. are extra, super, duper, mega, extraordinary awesome.

And both of those guys are better than PK Subban, who only looks good because he's on a mediocre team instead of a crappy one.

We're on the same page now.

I haven't been trying to prove myers was better than subban , I just stated Subban turns the puck over a lot as well and asked if you would pass on him as well because of it

I like you give up lol ..... F this s*it

I like you not give up lol. You no give up eva...F me.

[marcaractac 3,963]

I have no doubt Myers will become a solid dman someday. But the Wings really don't need a 3 years ago Ericsson who can put up a few points right now. We need a dman that can step in and make this team better right now. Myers has too many growing pains to get through right now, that he may never get totally get through. The Wings cannot afford a 5.5 million dollar risk. We have bad contracts coming off the books this summer. No need to nullify that by taking on an even bigger one.

[joesuffP 1,746]

A veteran offensive D man to round out the top 4 is exactly what we need. I know his contract is long but imagine if We offer a bit more in return Buffalo eats 50 percent of the salary. He'd be worth 2.5M for the rest of that contract.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

J-Bo was never bad in Calgary. He just didn't play with an edge. He was just going through the motions. He was never bad by any means. He was still steady, eating up a lot of minutes. Check my history and you'll see I really wanted him here.

Myers is not a steady dman. He coughs up the puck, and looks lost in his own end. He is basically getting paid to be a 2-3 dman, but is producing as if he were a pp specialist. IT's one thing to take a risk on a guy on a one year deal to see if he could live up to potential, but a long term contract at his hit telis crazy.

Put Myers on a team with a stacked D, and you can hide his mistakes. But a good team won't pay him that money to not eat big minutes. His only hope is to play for a bad team and get his career back on track.

Dude, he already gave up lol. Let it go

I also wanted bouwmeester here and pretty much got mocked at for suggesting it .... He did have some bad years in Calgary .... He had a -21 season in Calgary ....playing on a bad team can effect your play In a negative way , I think myers will bounce back .... Time will tell who's right Edited March 1, 2014 by nyqvististhefuture

[wings87 1,290]

I have no doubt Myers will become a solid dman someday. But the Wings really don't need a 3 years ago Ericsson who can put up a few points right now. We need a dman that can step in and make this team better right now. Myers has too many growing pains to get through right now, that he may never get totally get through. The Wings cannot afford a 5.5 million dollar risk. We have bad contracts coming off the books this summer. No need to nullify that by taking on an even bigger one.

Somewhere Holland is sitting on his toilet made of gold, and laughing at all of us.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

A veteran offensive D man to round out the top 4 is exactly what we need. I know his contract is long but imagine if We offer a bit more in return Buffalo eats 50 percent of the salary. He'd be worth 2.5M for the rest of that contract.

Buffalo won't eat up his contract

[marcaractac 3,963]

I also wanted bouwmeester here and pretty much got mocked at for suggesting it .... He did have some bad years I Calgary .... He had a -21 season in Calgary ....playing on a bad team can effect your play In a negative way , I think myers will bounce back .... Time will tell who's right

Whether Myers turns it around or not, it is difficult to argue that Ehrhoff is the safer option, and the safe route is the route Holland tends to take.

[Guest DeGraa55]

I'd guess Jarnkrok, Jurco and Nyquist would be the names for top prospects. For proven roster players your guess is as good as mine.

For proven roster I think nyquist could fit that bill then add in like smith or helm

Prospects well we all know the 10-15names there is but the biggest names of mraz jarnkrok sproul jurco would be my guess

Then draft picks?

Honestly I'm not a big fan of Kessler and elder but I'd do the trade if it was say nyquist, Tatar, mraz, oullete and a first and second or something. Even better if we could keep nyquist but who knows how much they'd want.