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Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

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I agree. Buffalo is terrible. It's amazing that Myers has been able to score 17 points on such a terrible team. And since Christian Erhoff is on the same terrible team, his 28 pts. are extra, super, duper, mega, extraordinary awesome.

And both of those guys are better than PK Subban, who only looks good because he's on a mediocre team instead of a crappy one.

We're on the same page now.

I like you not give up lol. You no give up eva...F me.

Come on there is no need to be an Ass you guys disagree, just leave it at that.

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I also wanted bouwmeester here and pretty much got mocked at for suggesting it .... He did have some bad years in Calgary .... He had a -21 season in Calgary ....playing on a bad team can effect your play In a negative way , I think myers will bounce back .... Time will tell who's right

Lidstrom had a minus year and won the Norris trophy. Nobody here is ripping on Myers for his +/-. It's a useless stat when it comes to a player. J-Bo hasn't looked great in a lot of his time in Calgary, but he was never bad. He was their go to dman, logging the big minutes and playing against the best players. He looks more motivated now, and determined. It's gonna take a lot more than motivation to turn Myers around.

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Whether Myers turns it around or not, it is difficult to argue that Ehrhoff is the safer option, and the safe route is the route Holland tends to take.

Correction Holland is drawn to the safe route but he never takes any route. Just stands at his window looking at all the traffic.

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Come on there is no need to be an Ass you guys disagree, just leave it at that.

Well, when he does make a trade, he doesn't make the big splash. he trades for a guy that can come to Detroit and fit right in, and fill a need the team has. Stuart being a great example. Not the biggest name, but someone who can come in and be effective off the bat. UFA is the ideal place to take the risks, as you can then sign a short term deal and see how it plays out. Trading for a big, long term contract that may or may not work out is not Holland's style

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For proven roster I think nyquist could fit that bill then add in like smith or helm

Prospects well we all know the 10-15names there is but the biggest names of mraz jarnkrok sproul jurco would be my guess

Then draft picks?

Honestly I'm not a big fan of Kessler and elder but I'd do the trade if it was say nyquist, Tatar, mraz, oullete and a first and second or something. Even better if we could keep nyquist but who knows how much they'd want.

You'd trade mrazek nyquist Tatar ouellet and a 1st and 2nd?? .... F THAT .... Wouldn't get rid of potentially 4 vital pieces of our future and 2 top picks for 2-3 yrs

Lidstrom had a minus year and won the Norris trophy. Nobody here is ripping on Myers for his +/-. It's a useless stat when it comes to a player. J-Bo hasn't looked great in a lot of his time in Calgary, but he was never bad. He was their go to dman, logging the big minutes and playing against the best players. He looks more motivated now, and determined. It's gonna take a lot more than motivation to turn Myers around.

Gee I wonder why he looks more motivated and determined now? Stl blues or flames? .... Big difference .... I'd like to think if Myers came here he'd be super pumped and motivated as well ..... Anyways don't expect a big trade from holland anyways

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Correction Holland is drawn to the safe route but he never takes any route. Just stands at his window looking at all the traffic.

No, he just doesn't sell the farm every year solely to place fans come trade deadline. That's a good thing. Ask the Rangers, Capitals, and Flyers how being big players at the deadline every year has worked out. History has always been in favor of the smaller hockey trades when it comes to this time of year. Makes me glad we have a GM like Holland and not one like McPhee or Sather.

You'd trade mrazek nyquist Tatar ouellet and a 1st and 2nd?? .... F THAT .... Wouldn't get rid of potentially 4 vital pieces of our future and 2 top picks for 2-3 yrs

Gee I wonder why he looks more motivated and determined now? Stl blues or flames? .... Big difference .... I'd like to think if Myers came here he'd be super pumped and motivated as well ..... Anyways don't expect a big trade from holland anyways

Didn't realize motivation suddenly teaches you how to play defense. s***, someone sign me! I need to motivation!

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Well, when he does make a trade, he doesn't make the big splash. he trades for a guy that can come to Detroit and fit right in, and fill a need the team has. Stuart being a great example. Not the biggest name, but someone who can come in and be effective off the bat. UFA is the ideal place to take the risks, as you can then sign a short term deal and see how it plays out. Trading for a big, long term contract that may or may not work out is not Holland's style

I'll agree with you on Stuart ... Best move Hollands done in ages

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Well, when he does make a trade, he doesn't make the big splash. he trades for a guy that can come to Detroit and fit right in, and fill a need the team has. Stuart being a great example. Not the biggest name, but someone who can come in and be effective off the bat. UFA is the ideal place to take the risks, as you can then sign a short term deal and see how it plays out. Trading for a big, long term contract that may or may not work out is not Holland's style

I agree it's not Hollands Style. But the Stuart trade was an anomaly, Holland rarely gets that lucky especially lately.

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You'd trade mrazek nyquist Tatar ouellet and a 1st and 2nd?? .... F THAT .... Wouldn't get rid of potentially 4 vital pieces of our future and 2 top picks for 2-3 yrs

If we wanna win now it's what would need to be done. Otherwise we won't be wining for a couple years. Those are the two options really...me personally I'd rather wait.

Let's not forget only nyquist is the only who has shown they can play in the nhl so far and even him it hasn't been for long yet. I like to see it for a couple of years before someone is proven.

But like I said whether we want to win now or win in the future idk what the plan is but if we choose to win now it WILL cost is our big name prospects who yet have to prove themselves long term in the nhl.

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No, he just doesn't sell the farm every year solely to place fans come trade deadline. That's a good thing. Ask the Rangers, Capitals, and Flyers how being big players at the deadline every year has worked out. History has always been in favor of the smaller hockey trades when it comes to this time of year. Makes me glad we have a GM like Holland and not one like McPhee or Sather.

Didn't realize motivation suddenly teaches you how to play defense. s***, someone sign me! I need to motivation!

Being motivated can teach you a lot of things .... Like kicking a soccer ball before games for Instance

If we wanna win now it's what would need to be done. Otherwise we won't be wining for a couple years. Those are the two options really...me personally I'd rather wait.

Let's not forget only nyquist is the only who has shown they can play in the nhl so far and even him it hasn't been for long yet. I like to see it for a couple of years before someone is proven.

But like I said whether we want to win now or win in the future idk what the plan is but if we choose to win now it WILL cost is our big name prospects who yet have to prove themselves long term in the nhl.

Don't think we'd win now even with that trade ....and we'd just screw up our future

Nyquist is on a tear so is say he's untouchable ... Id consider Tatar depending on the return .... I'd try and take advantage of athanasiou's streak in the ohl and maybe jake Patterson as our top youth I'd consider dealing depending who we get that's about it ....doesn't gets the deal done i wouldn't do it

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Come on there is no need to be an Ass you guys disagree, just leave it at that.

We don't disagree. He's argued the following points tonight and I agree with all of them.

1) Tyler Myers is really good but looks bad because Buffalo sucks

2) Christian Erhoff doesn't get the same consideration even though he's on the same sucky Buffalo team

3) PK Subban and Tyler Myers are seemingly identical cases for comparison

4) Just like when Rob Brown played with Mario Lemieux, Christian Erhoff's numbers were once inflated by being on a good team. But if Tyler Myers goes to a better team and scores more, it will definitely NOT be the result of being on a better team (a la Brown and Erhoff).

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No, he just doesn't sell the farm every year solely to place fans come trade deadline. That's a good thing. Ask the Rangers, Capitals, and Flyers how being big players at the deadline every year has worked out. History has always been in favor of the smaller hockey trades when it comes to this time of year. Makes me glad we have a GM like Holland and not one like McPhee or Sather.

Come on, upgrading the team and selling the farm are completely different things. Sometimes a small move would work especially at the deadline. But Kenny never seems to find that "hockey trade" that he likes so much. Those don't exist anymore, teams want the moon for their players and rarely are there win win trades. Someone always ends up being screwed. The Hockey trade is Hollands White Whale.

f*** it must be late, I've started quoting Moby Dick.

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We don't disagree. He's argued the following points tonight and I agree with all of them.

1) Tyler Myers is really good but looks bad because Buffalo sucks

2) Christian Erhoff doesn't get the same consideration even though he's on the same sucky Buffalo team

3) PK Subban and Tyler Myers are seemingly identical cases for comparison

4) Just like when Rob Brown played with Mario Lemieux, Christian Erhoff's numbers were once inflated by being on a good team. But if Tyler Myers goes to a better team and scores more, it will definitely not be because being on a good team inflated his numbers.

5- Star Trek is cool

Come on, upgrading the team and selling the farm are completely different things. Sometimes a small move would work especially at the deadline. But Kenny never seems to find that "hockey trade" that he likes so much. Those don't exist anymore, teams want the moon for their players and rarely are there win win trades. Someone always ends up being screwed. The Hockey trade is Hollands White Whale.

f*** it must be late, I've started quoting Moby ****.

I'm just glad the Samuelson bertuzzi cleary years are over

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We don't disagree. He's argued the following points tonight and I agree with all of them.

1) Tyler Myers is really good but looks bad because Buffalo sucks

2) Christian Erhoff doesn't get the same consideration even though he's on the same sucky Buffalo team

3) PK Subban and Tyler Myers are seemingly identical cases for comparison

4) Just like when Rob Brown played with Mario Lemieux, Christian Erhoff's numbers were once inflated by being on a good team. But if Tyler Myers goes to a better team and scores more, it will definitely NOT be the result of being on a better team (a la Brown and Erhoff).

I think Myers would be good here.

But I just don't give a s*** anymore.

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If we wanna win now it's what would need to be done. Otherwise we won't be wining for a couple years. Those are the two options really...me personally I'd rather wait.

Let's not forget only nyquist is the only who has shown they can play in the nhl so far and even him it hasn't been for long yet. I like to see it for a couple of years before someone is proven.

But like I said whether we want to win now or win in the future idk what the plan is but if we choose to win now it WILL cost is our big name prospects who yet have to prove themselves long term in the nhl.

IMO if we are gonna make moves to make a run for it, it should be when we have healthy eurotwins. I think the best bet would be to land a top 4 dman now, then hope for the best. Get a top 6 forward as well if it makes sense (as in not give up a bunch of kids in our lineup right now). I know we;ll have to give up prospects to get something in return. But there has to be untouchables as well.

Nyquist and Jurco IMO are too important. Nyquist is playing great, and we need him. A player with Jurco's size and skill doesn't come around every day. Tatar, as much as I'd hate to see him go, can be packaged in a deal for the right player in return IMO. He is great, but I think management needs to try and focus on holding on to the bigger guys.

Sheahan I can see packaged for a more established guy like Kesler or Stewart. Sheahan would be nice to hold on to, but i think we'll be fine down the middle in the bottom 6 with the likes of Helm and Glendening. Of course with what I just said I think Andersson is expendable as well. Nothing against him, I just find him slow, and see more use in a guy like Glendening centering the 4th line.

As for kids not on the roster right now, I could see any of them outside of Mantha and Mrazek being tradable for the right return. Call me crazy, but like I said, you gotta give something up to get something back. And if we can get a non rental in return that can make this team a lot better going forward, I say giver.

Come on, upgrading the team and selling the farm are completely different things. Sometimes a small move would work especially at the deadline. But Kenny never seems to find that "hockey trade" that he likes so much. Those don't exist anymore, teams want the moon for their players and rarely are there win win trades. Someone always ends up being screwed. The Hockey trade is Hollands White Whale.

f*** it must be late, I've started quoting Moby ****.

I don't blame him for not making trades every year for the price teams ask for rentals. He has been patient, and it is showing it has started to pay off. When this team is getting close to being able to make a run, we'll have plenty of prospects/picks to make a run for it. It's all a matter of timing, and in the cap era that time doesn't come around every year.

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IMO if we are gonna make moves to make a run for it, it should be when we have healthy eurotwins. I think the best bet would be to land a top 4 dman now, then hope for the best. Get a top 6 forward as well if it makes sense (as in not give up a bunch of kids in our lineup right now). I know we;ll have to give up prospects to get something in return. But there has to be untouchables as well.

Nyquist and Jurco IMO are too important. Nyquist is playing great, and we need him. A player with Jurco's size and skill doesn't come around every day. Tatar, as much as I'd hate to see him go, can be packaged in a deal for the right player in return IMO. He is great, but I think management needs to try and focus on holding on to the bigger guys.

Sheahan I can see packaged for a more established guy like Kesler or Stewart. Sheahan would be nice to hold on to, but i think we'll be fine down the middle in the bottom 6 with the likes of Helm and Glendening. Of course with what I just said I think Andersson is expendable as well. Nothing against him, I just find him slow, and see more use in a guy like Glendening centering the 4th line.

As for kids not on the roster right now, I could see any of them outside of Mantha and Mrazek being tradable for the right return. Call me crazy, but like I said, you gotta give something up to get something back. And if we can get a non rental in return that can make this team a lot better going forward, I say giver.

I saw the Tatar comment as being expendable for the right deal and thought finally something we agree on and then read the rest lol

Sheahan has been awesome and has size ... I wouldn't touch him ....mrazek has elite nhl goalie potential I wouldn't even consider trading him for a second like mantha who's been the first draft pick in a long time we got reason to be excited about

I'm watching the nhl network and they just said buffalo didn't get enough which if you think about it is true .... Didn't have to give up tarasenko or rattie or Schwartz ..... Holland has to work his magic or stand pat or just make a small move like a mark Stuart

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I saw the Tatar comment as being expendable for the right deal and thought finally something we agree on and then read the rest lol

Sheahan has been awesome and has size ... I wouldn't touch him ....mrazek has elite nhl goalie potential I wouldn't even consider trading him for a second like mantha who's been the first draft pick in a long time we got reason to be excited about

I'm watching the nhl network and they just said buffalo didn't get enough which if you think about it is true .... Didn't have to give up tarasenko or rattie or Schwartz ..... Holland has to work his magic or stand pat or just make a small move like a mark Stuart

Well I said Mantha and Mrazek should be untouchable lol. I said anyone but them not in our lineup right now.

I like Sheahan as well, I just think if we could get another gritty, rugged forward for him right now, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Disagree on the Buffalo trade. Miller is a rental, and Ott is a bottom 6 forward. Halak and Stewart should fetch decent returns. I think in the end, Buffalo will have done quite well. Losing Miller was a blow, but odds are he would have walked in the summer anyway. Good on him for getting his team some assets for him. Absolutely no way is Tarasenko gonna be given up for a rental or Ott. I might be in the minority, but I think the Sabres got the best of it, especially if they get something for Halak and Stewart.

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Well I said Mantha and Mrazek should be untouchable lol. I said anyone but them not in our lineup right now.

I like Sheahan as well, I just think if we could get another gritty, rugged forward for him right now, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Disagree on the Buffalo trade. Miller is a rental, and Ott is a bottom 6 forward. Halak and Stewart should fetch decent returns. I think in the end, Buffalo will have done quite well. Losing Miller was a blow, but odds are he would have walked in the summer anyway. Good on him for getting his team some assets for him. Absolutely no way is Tarasenko gonna be given up for a rental or Ott. I might be in the minority, but I think the Sabres got the best of it, especially if they get something for Halak and Stewart.

My bad lol it's getting late :( thought you said you'd consider them lol ... Well if you think about it pominville fetched them Hackett and I think charlie coyle? Not sure ..... I think if they waited it out they could of had ty rattie maybe (what do I know) .... They seem more interested in just collecting picks .... Could be a gamble ... They better make sure they don't f up there picks

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My bad lol it's getting late :( thought you said you'd consider them lol ... Well if you think about it pominville fetched them Hackett and I think charlie coyle? Not sure ..... I think if they waited it out they could of had ty rattie maybe (what do I know) .... They seem more interested in just collecting picks .... Could be a gamble ... They better make sure they don't f up there picks

Having said that, if Mantha or M-raz were wanted as part of a package for an elite player? then for god sakes yes, get it done lol. By saying that, I mean your Drew Doughty's, Stomkos', Tavares', etc. If for some reason someone like that wanted out of their city, then I say do whatever it takes to get them, assuming it isn't a rental. Wishful thinking, of course.

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Who is Myers?

Tyler Myers

Having said that, if Mantha or M-raz were wanted as part of a package for an elite player? then for god sakes yes, get it done lol. By saying that, I mean your Drew Doughty's, Stomkos', Tavares', etc. If for some reason someone like that wanted out of their city, then I say do whatever it takes to get them, assuming it isn't a rental. Wishful thinking, of course.

Tyler Seguin comes to mind. Would have been perfect, although not sure we had the pieces to get him.

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Having said that, if Mantha or M-raz were wanted as part of a package for an elite player? then for god sakes yes, get it done lol. By saying that, I mean your Drew Doughty's, Stomkos', Tavares', etc. If for some reason someone like that wanted out of their city, then I say do whatever it takes to get them, assuming it isn't a rental. Wishful thinking, of course.

Ya for those types of players although I gotta say I got huge high hopes for mrazek who I think will be a stud elite goalie and mantha just has a wicked shot which makes you think with that shot alone he should be good for 25-30. ( time will tell )

Maybe im overrating our prospects but the guys I'd consider trading and I think might have value in some package type deal could be athanasiou who's Been racking a lot of pts (I'd consider letting him go cause he's doing it in his last yr) ... Jake Patterson who made team canada and faces a lot of shots on a bad team and almquist who's 2nd In pts with the griffins anyone else on the top 10 on redwings central I wouldn't touch along with pulkkinen who's on a tear now

Upsides too good to risk losing them unless like you said we lands. Tavares type

Tyler Myers

Tyler Seguin comes to mind. Would have been perfect, although not sure we had the pieces to get him.

Doesn't surprise me that Jim Nill pulled that off ... And then went for nichuskin ....man knows his sh*t

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