Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[Dabura 12,207]

I just woke up. Haven't checked the latest. Still *thumbs up* on Ehrhoff and/or Stewart.

[Dabura 12,207]

To people saying Ehrhoff isn't what we need: come off it.

We need a top-four defenseman who can move the puck, QB the PP, drive the offense, put up points. Preferably a veteran (we have plenty of young talent), and, though we're looking for an o-minded guy, he needs to be good in his zone. Basically: a younger, lesser Kronwall. That's Ehrhoff. He and DeKeyser would be the second pairing, which would do wonders for him, as he's used to facing the opposition's top guns every shift of every game. Further, a top four of Kronwall-Ericsson and Ehrhoff-DeKeyser would allow for a solid third pairing for years to come. It'd be continuous war for those two spots, which would, in theory, bring out the best in Smith, Quincey (?), Lashoff, Kindl, Marchenko, Almqvist, Ouellet, Sproul. (One or two or three of those would ultimately have to be traded, of course). The only issue with Ehrhoff is his contract. Personally, I don't think it's all that terrible.

As for Stewart - self-explanatory. Big, mean, RH power forward in his prime. I feel like people are probably making a bit too much of the rumors about him clashing with Hitchcock. As I've said before, everyone clashes with Hitchcock sooner or later. I mean, sure, he may have some maturity issues or whatever, and Babcock probably isn't the greatest coach of young talent. But it's well known that power forwards tend to have special development curves which can be frustrating, but which - you hope - is ultimately worth it. For us, a team sorely lacking in pretty much everything Stewart would bring to the table...I think it'd be worth it. At the right price.

Ehrhoff-Stewart in 2014! Change we can believe in!

[e_prime 1,936]

I can't believe I just read all that bickering about what an offensive/defensive d-man is... and the Myers rants... but I'll throw in.

Meyers *might* have more upside, but Danny DeKeyser is further along in his NHL development than Tyler Meyers.

As we have a pipeline of our own defensive prospects/projects...

we don't need the big bodied question mark of potential that is Tyler Myers for our playoff run.

[Richdg 267]

Ok, this thread was painfull to read for the last 4 or 5 pages...... But out of my love for the RW's I did it! main what happens with a little beer in the early morning! LOL!

1. Myers is only 24. That is very young. He needs to improve his skating. That is something that the RW's have always been good at teaching. Also, you could do a retained deal for him.

2. Edler. He has a bad back, and it has caused him a lot of issues the past couple of years. I was reading a story from last Spring-when he was extended, about how he wasn't locked out, so that Van's medical staff could continue to work with him on his back.

3. Yes there are many deals we could make. I am still in the "doubt we make any major deals" camp. if we do, it could be great or bad. We need to upgrade our talent level-I think everyone agrees on that. But trade deadline deals are hard to do and cost a lot.

4. If we were to go hunting for big game, yes Kesler and Edler together would be an awesome pick up, but not without a few worries. Yes it would cost us something in the Smith, Kindl, Oullett, Helm, Nyquist or tatar, and Pulk or Jarnkrok neighborhood. Van wants to get younger, cheaper, and faster. Those are the type of guys they would want.

[Dabura 12,207]

by no means should Nyquist, Sheahan, Tatar or Jurco be traded. Right now I trade Helm before I trade Sheahan...

I'd trade Helm before Sheahan. But I'd trade any of our young guns for the right return.

Problem with even considering moving Helm is Weiss. He's still a question mark.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

To people saying Ehrhoff isn't what we need: come off it.

We need a top-four defenseman who can move the puck, QB the PP, drive the offense, put up points. Preferably a veteran (we have plenty of young talent), and, though we're looking for an o-minded guy, he needs to be good in his zone. Basically: a younger, lesser Kronwall. That's Ehrhoff. He and DeKeyser would be the second pairing, which would do wonders for him, as he's used to facing the opposition's top guns every shift of every game. Further, a top four of Kronwall-Ericsson and Ehrhoff-DeKeyser would allow for a solid third pairing for years to come. It'd be continuous war for those two spots, which would, in theory, bring out the best in Smith, Quincey (?), Lashoff, Kindl, Marchenko, Almqvist, Ouellet, Sproul. (One or two or three of those would ultimately have to be traded, of course). The only issue with Ehrhoff is his contract. Personally, I don't think it's all that terrible.

As for Stewart - self-explanatory. Big, mean, RH power forward in his prime. I feel like people are probably making a bit too much of the rumors about him clashing with Hitchcock. As I've said before, everyone clashes with Hitchcock sooner or later. I mean, sure, he may have some maturity issues or whatever, and Babcock probably isn't the greatest coach of young talent. But it's well known that power forwards tend to have special development curves which can be frustrating, but which - you hope - is ultimately worth it. For us, a team sorely lacking in pretty much everything Stewart would bring to the table...I think it'd be worth it. At the right price.

Ehrhoff-Stewart in 2014! Change we can believe in!

The issue with Ehrhoff isn't his ability, it's his contract.

You know how Franzen is perceived as a floater? Stewart really is a floater. He works just hard enough on defense to not get benched and has no desire to play a 200 foot game.

I can't believe I just read all that bickering about what an offensive/defensive d-man is... and the Myers rants... but I'll throw in.

Meyers *might* have more upside, but Danny DeKeyser is further along in his NHL development than Tyler Meyers.

As we have a pipeline of our own defensive prospects/projects...

we don't need the big bodied question mark of potential that is Tyler Myers for our playoff run.

Bingo. The Wings have a ton of young d-men, several of whom have the potential to be better than Myers. There's no need for them to take on that contract because Myers might get better in Detroit.

[Dabura 12,207]

The issue with Ehrhoff isn't his ability, it's his contract.

Which is why I said: "The only issue with Ehrhoff is his contract."

You know how Franzen is perceived as a floater? Stewart really is a floater. He works just hard enough on defense to not get benched and has no desire to play a 200 foot game.

I've seen him play (more than once or twice). If we were a crapass defensive team, I wouldn't be interested. But we're armed to the teeth with defensively responsible forwards. What we could really use is a big, mean, single-minded sonsabitch who can penetrate the perimeter, crash the crease, score some garbage goals, create space.

Let me put it this way: Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Stewart. Would Stewart's less-than-200-foot game be such a terrible weakness?

Edited March 1, 2014 by Dabura

[kipwinger 8,522]

All this stuff about Erhoff's contract is silly. If you traded for him today. Five years from now you could move him at the deadline to a contender with ZERO issues. He's like Sergei Gonchar. He'll bounce around for the rest of his career quarterbacking the PP and moving the puck and eventually someone will get caught holding him when he's 38 and they'll deal with a 4 million cap hit (by that time the cap will be like 90 million anyway) for a year or two and he'll be gone and everyone will be happy with what they got except the last team holding the contract...which won't be us.

This is just another one of those things everyone repeats just for the sake of repeating. The only people concerned with his contract are Buffalo, who need to get enough in return on the trade to make the risk of his cap recapture worthwhile. Nobody else cares.

[Dabura 12,207]

All this stuff about Erhoff's contract is silly. If you traded for him today. Five years from now you could move him at the deadline to a contender with ZERO issues. He's like Sergei Gonchar. He'll bounce around for the rest of his career quarterbacking the PP and moving the puck and eventually someone will get caught holding him when he's 38 and they'll deal with a 4 million cap hit (by that time the cap will be like 90 million anyway) for a year or two and he'll be gone and everyone will be happy with what they got except the last team holding the contract...which won't be us.

This is just another one of those things everyone repeats just for the sake of repeating. The only people concerned with his contract are Buffalo, who need to get enough in return on the trade to make the risk of his cap recapture worthwhile. Nobody else cares.

I think the danger of The Dreaded Recapture Penalty is generally overstated. Franzen's a good example.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Actually, Buffalo is on the hook for all of Ehrhof's recapture penalty thanks to that ridiculously front loaded contract. $40 mil total, $18 mil the first 2 years.

[brooklynsour 31]

@dickiedunn yea but Stewart would bring the grit and toughness we need if wed be matched with a Boston or even the pens in playoffs he would be a great asset to posses...

[kipwinger 8,522]

I think the danger of The Dreaded Recapture Penalty is generally overstated. Franzen's a good example.

Franzen's recapture is a non issue because we don't plan on trading him. Buffalo does plan to trade Erhoff, but they're still on the hook for the recapture penalty because they signed the contract. In his case the recapture penalty is actually pretty wicked, but like I said, it's Buffalo's problem if they want to move him and not anyone else's.

[T.Low 1,011]

I went to the Griffins vs Abbotsford Heat game last night. Pukks was every where scoring 2goals, and Jarnkok looked real good. Almquist showed great vision and skil.

I can see why teams would want them in trade, and I'd be ok packaging them in the right deal.

I'd think Nyquist is untouchable, and it would take a big name to pry Tatar lose.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I went to the Griffins vs Abbotsford Heat game last night. Pukks was every where scoring 2goals, and Jarnkok looked real good. Almquist showed great vision and skil.

I can see why teams would want them in trade, and I'd be ok packaging them in the right deal.

I'd think Nyquist is untouchable, and it would take a big name to pry Tatar lose.

Jarnkrok is exploding. 6 points in last 2 games. 19 points in last 15 games.

[wings87 1,290]

Sounds like Craig MacTavish assured Hemsky that he will be traded at the deadline, and the Wings seem to be interested. Any takers? I think he'd be an interesting fit.

[Ekmanc 586]

Sounds like Craig MacTavish assured Hemsky that he will be traded at the deadline, and the Wings seem to be interested. Any takers? I think he'd be an interesting fit.

Interesting perhaps but he seems like exactly the player we don't need right now, he doesn't bring size or grit and we have tons of similar forwards.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

@dickiedunn yea but Stewart would bring the grit and toughness we need if wed be matched with a Boston or even the pens in playoffs he would be a great asset to posses...

Kesler is a better skater and hits a lot more, plus is a lot more consistent offensively, and Stewart's physicality is a bit over rated. Projected out to the same 58 games Stewart has played, Franzen would only have 11 fewer hits than Stewart's 76. Jurco plays a much more physical game than Stewart does and doesn't seem to have the same negative attitude towards back checking.

Edited March 1, 2014 by DickieDunn

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Sounds like Craig MacTavish assured Hemsky that he will be traded at the deadline, and the Wings seem to be interested. Any takers? I think he'd be an interesting fit.

It makes zero sense in my mind. People just like to link any soft/small European to Detroit.

Only in Detroit is Franzen a floater and Stewart a highly coveted power forward...

[Wings10 300]

NM

Edited March 1, 2014 by Wings10

[brooklynsour 31]

For sure, Kesler is better than Stewart but I can see stew as a bigger need kesler might hit more but Stewart will be the guy who'd drop the gloves and be able to park in front for 2nd pp,, he's similar to clowe, jordin Nolan, and even Chris Neil.... We need a guy like that in lineup.... who will embrace babs coachin

as for hemsky he seems washed up IMO but maybe pair him with a Weiss and bert or abby

[Dominator2005 558]

Hemsky will be best fit ever... on the 4th line?!??!

C'mon man

[T.Low 1,011]

Jarnkrok is exploding. 6 points in last 2 games. 19 points in last 15 games.

That line was dominating. The two teams were tied coming into the game. Griffs poured it on in the 2nd out shooting 17-7. Edited March 1, 2014 by T.Low

[brooklynsour 31]

3rd maybe.... And can possibly qb 2nd pp with Stewart in front of net and tats and Nyquist sniping on halfwalf

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

He was also an Avs fan growing up. Played in Ohio instead of Michigan, and doesn't seem to like Kronner too much. I love the kind of player he is. He is a warrior. I just don't see him wanting to come here. Would love it if he did, as long as we get a top 4 dman not named Myers as well.

These are things I've heard before too. Where did the Kronner hate come from, though? Did he get smashed? Otherwise off the ice Kronner sounds like the kind of guy only a douchebag would dislike.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

These are things I've heard before too. Where did the Kronner hate come from, though? Did he get smashed? Otherwise off the ice Kronner sounds like the kind of guy only a douchebag would dislike.