Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

[T.Low 1,011]

That line was dominating. The two teams were tied coming into the game. Griffs poured it on in the 2nd out shooting 17-7.

At the risk of taking this tangent too far, it was good to see Teemu able to take Shane OBrien's punishment in the corners and he didn't even flinch, let alone come close to being bothered and knocked off his game.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Kesler is faster but not a better skater.

Sure, whatever you say. I'm sure your reason for thinking so is rock solid and you're definitely not just being contrary for the hell of it.

[Dominator2005 558]

I would offer :

Helm, Almquist and 1st

[wings87 1,290]

Sure, whatever you say. I'm sure your reason for thinking so is rock solid and you're definitely not just being contrary for the hell of it.

I could say the same to you. Why is it you get so defensive if someone disagrees with? Your opinion is that Kesler is a better skater mine is that he's not, if you have proof that he's better I'd be more then happy to agree with you.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Kesler is much faster than Zetterberg

I think out of our young forwards Tatar is the most expendable. We need Jurco's size and physicality, we need a future top 6 center in Sheahan, and with Nyquist already on the smaller side I don't think both in the top 6 is what we want

[kipwinger 8,524]

I could say the same to you. Why is it you get so defensive if someone disagrees with? Your opinion is that Kesler is a better skater mine is that he's not, if you have proof that he's better I'd be more then happy to agree with you.

I'm seriously not going to argue with you about this. You're right, there's no spreadsheet or evidence gathering method for skating ability so it's apparently impossible to tell who's better. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Which is why it's 100 percent impossible to accurately determine if ANY player in the world is a better skater than ANY other player. Because without an objective measure of skating ability there's simply no way of being sure.

[wings87 1,290]

I'm seriously not going to argue with you about this. You're right, there's no spreadsheet or evidence gathering method for skating ability so it's apparently impossible to tell who's better. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Which is why it's 100 percent impossible to accurately determine if ANY player in the world is a better skater than ANY other player. Because without an objective measure of skating ability there's simply no way of being sure.

Were we arguing? But you're right about it being objective that's why different scouts say different things about the same player. But whatever.

They have quite a bit of assets to acquire him. Just a hunch but now am just realizing they're division opponents. I can just see him fitting in with that team

To me Kesler seems like the perfect fit for Boston, he has just enough ****** in him. Edited March 1, 2014 by wings87

[LeftWinger 4,961]

as stated earlier, no to any trade involving any of the four kids.

Helm, Almqvist and a 1st for Kesler is ok by me!

[wings87 1,290]

I think we're all getting kinda hung up on Kesler, he's a good player but isn't a perfect fit. A guy like Moulson or Vanek would fit better. IMHO

[Dominator2005 558]

I think we're all getting kinda hung up on Kesler, he's a good player but isn't a perfect fit. A guy like Moulson or Vanek would fit better. IMHO

Holland wants to make a hockey deal, so trading for Moulson or Vanek shouldn't happen

[wings87 1,290]

Holland wants to make a hockey deal, so trading for Moulson or Vanek shouldn't happen

Realistically nothing will happen, and in Hollands eyes a hockey trade is trading a 7th rounder for a depth defenceman.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

as stated earlier, no to any trade involving any of the four kids.

Helm, Almqvist and a 1st for Kesler is ok by me!

I would okay that trade. Helm is only 3 years younger and Almqvist and the 1st aren't deal breakers for me. I have doubts Vancouver would do this however. Depends how they value Helm - they haven't had a bottom 6 centre like him that I can remember. We have Sheahan and Glendening and Andersson ready to play bottom 6 Cs so Helm isn't as vital as he once was (but he is still an awesome player).

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

IMO if we are gonna make moves to make a run for it, it should be when we have healthy eurotwins. I think the best bet would be to land a top 4 dman now, then hope for the best. Get a top 6 forward as well if it makes sense (as in not give up a bunch of kids in our lineup right now). I know we;ll have to give up prospects to get something in return. But there has to be untouchables as well.

Nyquist and Jurco IMO are too important. Nyquist is playing great, and we need him. A player with Jurco's size and skill doesn't come around every day. Tatar, as much as I'd hate to see him go, can be packaged in a deal for the right player in return IMO. He is great, but I think management needs to try and focus on holding on to the bigger guys.

Sheahan I can see packaged for a more established guy like Kesler or Stewart. Sheahan would be nice to hold on to, but i think we'll be fine down the middle in the bottom 6 with the likes of Helm and Glendening. Of course with what I just said I think Andersson is expendable as well. Nothing against him, I just find him slow, and see more use in a guy like Glendening centering the 4th line.

As for kids not on the roster right now, I could see any of them outside of Mantha and Mrazek being tradable for the right return. Call me crazy, but like I said, you gotta give something up to get something back. And if we can get a non rental in return that can make this team a lot better going forward, I say giver.

I don't blame him for not making trades every year for the price teams ask for rentals. He has been patient, and it is showing it has started to pay off. When this team is getting close to being able to make a run, we'll have plenty of prospects/picks to make a run for it. It's all a matter of timing, and in the cap era that time doesn't come around every year.

No need for me to post my opinion now because you just did. I appreciate that. 100% agree.

[Guest L3T5G0W1NG5]

I'm seriously not going to argue with you about this. You're right, there's no spreadsheet or evidence gathering method for skating ability so it's apparently impossible to tell who's better. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Which is why it's 100 percent impossible to accurately determine if ANY player in the world is a better skater than ANY other player. Because without an objective measure of skating ability there's simply no way of being sure.

Bahahaha. You're telling me that it's impossible to determine that Datsyuk is a better skater than Hal Gill?

Congrats, you just said one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. Anything you say in life is now invalid.

[kipwinger 8,524]

I think we're all getting kinda hung up on Kesler, he's a good player but isn't a perfect fit. A guy like Moulson or Vanek would fit better. IMHO

Why do you think they are better fits?

Bahahaha. You're telling me that it's impossible to determine that Datsyuk is a better skater than Hal Gill?

Congrats, you just said one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. Anything you say in life is now invalid.

It was sarcasm. I was making fun of someone who implied there's no way to determine if Kesler was a better skater than Zetterberg. I disagreed mightily with his post. But yours is worse...way, way, way worse.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Calling it right now-Quincey, Cleary, Sammy, Bert, and a 2nd for Backes and OEL.

BOOM. Stanley Cup.

While I love speculating, I always feel like it sets me up for disappointment. Kenny might make a small move, but I doubt we'll see any holy s***.

[wings87 1,290]

Why do you think they are better fits?

Kesler is a center and with Weiss returning he would have to play the Wing, which I'm sure he can; do but that takes away from his face off advantage. I just think that Vanek probably more then Moulson would be a more natural fit. Having said that if Holland could get Kesler I would be over the moon.

[Guest L3T5G0W1NG5]

Why do you think they are better fits?

It was sarcasm. I was making fun of someone who implied there's no way to determine if Kesler was a better skater than Zetterberg. I disagreed mightily with his post. But yours is worse...way, way, way worse.

You were not being sarcastic. But whatever, I'm done with you.

Edited March 1, 2014 by L3T5G0W1NG5

[kipwinger 8,524]

Kesler is a center and with Weiss returning he would have to play the Wing, which I'm sure he can; do but that takes away from his face off advantage. I just think that Vanek probably more then Moulson would be a more natural fit. Having said that if Holland could get Kesler I would be over the moon.

And in your opinion that overrides the myriad ways in which he's a better fit (e.g. he's cheaper, under contract, better defensively, better at special teams, younger, faster, and tougher)? The fit is entirely determined by his faceoffs in your opinion?

[wings87 1,290]

Why do you think they are better fits?

It was sarcasm. I was making fun of someone who implied there's no way to determine if Kesler was a better skater than Zetterberg. I disagreed mightily with his post. But yours is worse...way, way, way worse.

I never said there is no way to determine who's a better skater, what I said was that there is no tangible evidence that Kesler was a more superior skater. But moving on.

[kipwinger 8,524]

You were not being sarcastic. But whatever, I'm done with you.

Haha ok. You might want to go back a reread the whole exchange I had with Wings87. While he and I don't see eye to eye, I'd imagine in fairness even he'd agree that I was being a sarcastic about the post in question. You're way off base here.

I never said there is no way to determine who's a better skater, what I said was that there is no tangible evidence that Kesler was a more superior skater. But moving on.

But you'd agree that the post this guy is calling me out on was entirely me being a smartass about your position yes?

Edited March 1, 2014 by kipwinger

[wings87 1,290]

And in your opinion that overrides the myriad ways in which he's a better fit (e.g. he's cheaper, under contract, better defensively, better at special teams, younger, faster, and tougher)? The fit is entirely determined by his faceoffs in your opinion?

Stop putting words in my mouth. And no faceoffs aren't the most important, I'm saying he's a better fit not that Kesler sucks. Vanek is a better goal scorer which is what this team badly needs. The Wings also have plenty penalty killers which isn't as big of a priority. And Vanek is plenty good on the PP.

Kesler is a good player that I've had my eye on for awhile, but he seems to dislike the Wings and a lot of the factors you described will add to his cost. Plus I'd be more then shocked if he ends up being traded.

But you'd agree that the post this guy is calling me out on was entirely me being a smartass about your position yes?

Yeah I got the Sarcasm.

[joesuffP 1,746]

Babcock's dream group of centers would probably be Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kesler. You couldn't ask for 3 better centres to build your team around

[wings87 1,290]

Babcock's dream group of centers would probably be Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kesler. You couldn't ask for 3 better centres to build your team around

The biggest obstacle to that is Weiss. If by some miracle Holland ends up getting him, what happens to Weiss? The guy is making a ton of money and putting him on the fourth line would be a waste.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

And in your opinion that overrides the myriad ways in which he's a better fit (e.g. he's cheaper, under contract, better defensively, better at special teams, younger, faster, and tougher)? The fit is entirely determined by his faceoffs in your opinion?

Stop putting words in my mouth. And no faceoffs aren't the most important, I'm saying he's a better fit not that Kesler sucks. Vanek is a better goal scorer which is what this team badly needs. The Wings also have plenty penalty killers which isn't as big of a priority. And Vanek is plenty good on the PP.

Kesler is a good player that I've had my eye on for awhile, but he seems to dislike the Wings and a lot of the factors you described will add to his cost. Plus I'd be more then shocked if he ends up being traded.

But you'd agree that the post this guy is calling me out on was entirely me being a smartass about your position yes?

Yeah I got the Sarcasm.

The extra 5 or 6 goals you get from Vanek doesn't add as much as everything else Kesler would bring.