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Shero reportedly says he'll beat any offer on Kesler. So there goes that.

I wonder if the Vancouver brass is pissed at Kesler for continuing to play with a hurt hand in the Olympics. Plus it seems that Kesler isn't getting along with Torts and add in the fact that Kesler kept playing in the Olympics, I feel like it all just boiled over and that led to him requesting a trade. I'm sure the Olympics are not the main reason but I can't help but wonder whether it was the final nail. Now I get this is all conjecture but "it makes me wonder, ooh really makes me wonder."

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If he really said that Shero would be insane never show another GM your cards. What if Crosby and Kesler don't fiit well?

I would love for someone calling his bluff - offer Toews and Kane so he has to match it with Crosby and Malkin we could then add Nyquist Pasha and Z...at the end of the day Pittsburgh will get Kesler for 90 % of the roster :-)

When it comes down to it is there really any player who is getting along well with Torts? I highly doubt it if I were Kesler I would have asked for a trade too 1. I'm in the drivers seat and 2. I might get the chance to compete for lord Stanley

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Holland quote:

“If there’s a hockey trade we’ll look at it, but we’re not looking at top-end rentals for those two reasons: because of our place in the standings and because of the unknown about some of our top players,” Holland said.

Holland keeps calling players on expiring contracts rentals, if he resigns them after the season they stop being rentals.

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Holland quote:

“If there’s a hockey trade we’ll look at it, but we’re not looking at top-end rentals for those two reasons: because of our place in the standings and because of the unknown about some of our top players,” Holland said.

Holland keeps calling players on expiring contracts rentals, if he resigns them after the season they stop being rentals.

You can trade for them with the idea of signing them, but then they get there and decide that they want to test the market or go to a certain team regardless of what you offer. That's why they're all considered rentals until they sign that new deal. Holland isn't going to trade Ouellet or someone for Macdonald just to see him walk in July because he's always dreamed of playing for the Leafs or thinks someone else will pay him more than Holland offers.

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Guys, we do need D, but with Weiss's setback our centers are Helm, Andersson, Sheahan, Glendening. Sheesh! Talk about going with the yoots! Sucks that we are forced to do it though...

I think we could possibly benefit from a legit top 6 center. Paul Stastny comes to mind, but at what cost? Certainly he would be less than Kesler, eh?

Holland is in a pickle...

Did you say yoots? What is a yoot?

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Wait on what...to see Markov,Boyle,Zidlicky or some other PP QB getting $5M contracts on the free market.

The price to acquire key players in a trade will be less during the offseason and Holland even said he's not sure about the status, at least health-wise, of this team as we get towards the end of the season. I'm not going to be surprised at all if he does nothing. Plus, there are a number of players with expiring contracts on this roster that will free up cap space this Summer so winning a bidding war for a top free agent shouldn't be impossible as long as there aren't any more Parise/Suter type of situations.

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You can trade for them with the idea of signing them, but then they get there and decide that they want to test the market or go to a certain team regardless of what you offer. That's why they're all considered rentals until they sign that new deal. Holland isn't going to trade Ouellet or someone for Macdonald just to see him walk in July because he's always dreamed of playing for the Leafs or thinks someone else will pay him more than Holland offers.

When a trade for a player is made you usually know what the market is like, rarely do players sign for less somewhere were they really want to go. Money talks, if Holland trades for a top player nothing is stopping him from signing that player at market value. There are no guarantees, what if he trades for a player with 3 years left on his contract and he gets hurt and barely players; that will also turn into a rental. I'm not advocating for a trade for Vanek and giving him 7 mil per year on an 8 year contract(I'm just making up numbers as a hypothetical), but there are plenty of solid players on the block that if traded could be fit under the cap, especially with it going up next year.

With it being leaked that Shero will top any offer, hopefully all other GM's drive the price way up on him. Shero is an idiot.

It might not have even been Shero the anonymous source may have been the intern who gets him coffee.

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@marcaractac what if Shero is bluffing?... @wings87 @dickiedunn yea I think Holland would feel more comfortable if the players didn't have the preferences (ie vanek with Minnesota)... Did we have a Chris Phillips discussion? Top 4 stay at home, Ottawa said they only wanna give him 1 year but he wants 2,

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@marcaractac what if Shero is bluffing?... @wings87 @dickiedunn yea I think Holland would feel more comfortable if the players didn't have the preferences (ie vanek with Minnesota)... Did we have a Chris Phillips discussion? Top 4 stay at home, Ottawa said they only wanna give him 1 year but he wants 2,

Phillips would help, albeit marginally. This team needs a puck mover more then a defensive defenceman.

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Yea he doesn't provide too much offence but certainly +70 for the career in Ottawa, so he can be reliable at home, and I think he can tutor our young dcorp too play solid in our zone, most of them alrdy have the offensive potential (I hope) also his and Quincey salary is somewhat similar, if we bring him in Holland should be able to sign him to a 2 yr extension maybe guessing about 1.75-2.5 mil per year

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Yea he doesn't provide too much offence but certainly +70 for the career in Ottawa, so he can be reliable at home, and I think he can tutor our young dcorp too play solid in our zone, most of them alrdy have the offensive potential (I hope) also his and Quincey salary is somewhat similar, if we bring him in Holland should be able to sign him to a 2 yr extension maybe guessing about 1.75-2.5 mil per year

Not the worst addition as a third piece after a puck moving D and a scorer. My guess is he stays in Ottawa.

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I see them moving him for a pick or something.... I don't see Ottawa as contenders especially with the spezza rumours, would be crazy if rangers sent Callahan for spezza maybe both teams add some other pieces...

Edited by brooklynsour

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I've missed a few pages because I just got home from work, but I think Kesler is being underrated and Helm is being overrated by many people on here. Seriously Helm+Tatar+1st is Weber material? Yeah...ok. I guess that means Tatar+ Nyquist +1st is good for Crosby right?

People calling Kesler injury prone really? He has only missed 5 or more games in 3 of 9 years and without doing more research i'm guessing the 1st year he only played 28 games because of being a call-up. In that case we should just trade Z, Pasha, Franzen and Howard since they can't stay healthy. :glare:

If we don't get Kesler i'm okay with that, but we have a logjam of bottom six centers (Sheahan, Andersson, Helm, Emmerton, Glendening). I'd give up Helm in a deal for Kesler without much thought depending on what the other pieces are. Obviously if the Pens are going to offer something crazy then by all means let them have him because I like all of our kids,

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Helm is our only bottom sizer with value and that's why we should trade him?

Guess why Emmerton/Glendening/Andersson have no value to other teams? Cause they have no value here either. Moving Helm just means everyone here would ***** about our bottom 6 instead of our 2nd line center. You just trade one problem for another. Why move a proven piece and take the chance on another Weiss?

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Helm is our only bottom sizer with value and that's why we should trade him?

Guess why Emmerton/Glendening/Andersson have no value to other teams? Cause they have no value here either. Moving Helm just means everyone here would ***** about our bottom 6 instead of our 2nd line center. You just trade one problem for another. Why move a proven piece and take the chance on another Weiss?

I like helm - but playing devil's advocate - a 2C plays harder and more minutes than a 3/4C so I would prefer my better players to be in the top 6 rather than have a strong bottom 6 and weak top 6. You can find bottom 6 guys with value around the league - a guy like eaves can pass though waivers.

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I like helm - but playing devil's advocate - a 2C plays harder and more minutes than a 3/4C so I would prefer my better players to be in the top 6 rather than have a strong bottom 6 and weak top 6. You can find bottom 6 guys with value around the league - a guy like eaves can pass though waivers.

I agree, but what happens when Kesler is Weiss 2.0? I know we'd all rather have Fil in hindsight right now

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I agree, but what happens when Kesler is Weiss 2.0? I know we'd all rather have Fil in hindsight right now

I wouldn't want fil , I think if he was here it be the same old bs with him .... We'll never know but I just think he was destined to forever be an under achiever here for whatever reason .... Just sucks we got weiss but at least we got to see loads of the kids here (nyquist Tatar sheahan jurco) play great ... Just imagine them I. 2-3yrs

That's why I always said every year we should be bringing up a kid or 2 to filter them In a few at a time and let them learn instead of bringing up a bunch at a time .... Imagine how good nyquist and Tatar would be now if they had a full season already ? ..... Boy went off topic there abit lol

Does anyone know if Weiss has a full no trade?

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From the beginning on keepin filp @number9.... I forgot who said it was cuz of shortened season subban won Norris and kesler won selke, I only seen 3rd period but subban had like 3 turnovers two of which went for 2 on 1s budaj is standing upside down and brown still can't break through this season

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I wouldn't want fil , I think if he was here it be the same old bs with him .... We'll never know but I just think he was destined to forever be an under achiever here for whatever reason .... Just sucks we got weiss but at least we got to see loads of the kids here (nyquist Tatar sheahan jurco) play great ... Just imagine them I. 2-3yrs

That's why I always said every year we should be bringing up a kid or 2 to filter them In a few at a time and let them learn instead of bringing up a bunch at a time .... Imagine how good nyquist and Tatar would be now if they had a full season already ? ..... Boy went off topic there abit lol

Does anyone know if Weiss has a full no trade?

That's a fair POV I just think at the end of the day trading Helm is beyond unwing like.

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