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#81 DickieDunn

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

I'd trade anyone, but it would have to be a ridiculous return for me to trade Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Kronwall.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:47 AM

Only way you can talk to me about trading Datsyuk or Zet is if the return is the likes of Stamkos or Tavares. 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:48 AM

Only way you can talk to me about trading Datsyuk or Zet is if the return is the likes of Stamkos or Tavares. 

Like I said, ridiculous


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:07 PM

Only way you can talk to me about trading Datsyuk or Zet is if the return is the likes of Stamkos and Tavares. 

 

Much better :lol:



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:15 PM

Detroit would be a better team with Datsyuk and Stamkos than Zetterberg and Stamkos.  Although both teams would be VERY good with either of those combos. Zetterberg NOR Datsyuk are being traded so this is all for fun, but what will be fun is if/when Holland gets that type of scorer to play on the same lilne with BOTH Zetterberg and Datsyuk...and that is a major missing piece that Holland needs to address this summer...

 

Moving to the D.  Some folks here say that the Wings aren't ONE superstar defenseman away from the Stanley Cup, but if you look at our Stanley Cup winning teams, each and every one of those teams had ONE superstar defenseman and 5-6 solid others. (outside of 1997 when Vladdy was here and Lids was just becoming a superstar)

 

1997 - Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Murphy, Ward, Pushor, Rouse (Dandenault was still a RW)

1998 - Lidstrom, Murphy, Fetisov, Rouse, Mironov, Eriksson, Macoun (Dandenault was still a RW)

2002 - Lidstrom, Dandenault, Chelios, Duchesne, Fischer, Olausson (Krupp, Slegr)

2008 - Lidstrom, Chelios, Kronwall, Lebda, Rafalski, Stuart, Lilja

 

The common here is ONE superstar and a group of level B solid defenders.  Right now we have a whole D corps of level B-C defenders

 

Kronwall - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Smith those four will be your solid group of level B defenders, we NEED that superstar to anchor this team for the next 6-8 years+.

 

SUPERSTAR - Kronwall

Ericsson - Dekeyser

Smith - B defender

C Defender

 

That's the key on D.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:32 PM

If jagr can still perform at his age I find it a hard to to believe datsyuk wouldn't be able to produce at the least 50-65 pts when he's 40 ... Datsyuk should retire a wing simple as

I'd say trade mule(never liked the longterm deal) but now with his cuncussion problems he's going nowhere

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 29 January 2014 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:34 PM

Chelios won the Norris 3 times and he is in the hall of fame.  He was a superstar.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:37 PM

This might be the first tdl were the Wings are finally going to be sellers now the question is, who can bring in the most ?
 
Assuming Nyquist, Tatar are going nowhere without ridiculous overpayment
 
Thats leaves Alfie, Weiss, Mule as the next "high tier" players, because I don't think guys like Kindl, Abdelkader, Smith will return us a first rounder.

Weiss can't be traded unless he agrees to it...same with Alfie

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:53 PM

There was a couple talks about us going after cammalleri, I came across a flames board talking about how jurco, sheahan, pulls, and jarnkrok werent worth him because they're all 3rd 4th liners in their system.
Which gave me a good laugh.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:57 PM

No, re-read my original post and you will find that Dekeyser's name is there too.

 

Yep sure is.  Ok, I'm with you now.  I appreciate your patience while I (slowly) figured out where you were coming from.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:23 PM

The D isn't the problem. We are 14th in goals allowed. The rangers are 13th and the blackhawks are 15th. So we are ok. It is the O that remains the issue. We are 23rd in goals scored. When you look at our prospects, most of the talent is on D. meaning we will get better. On O we are very thin. Anyone who is even close to being ready is already up. the next wave of forwards is 2-3 years away. Trading for a superstar d is very expensive, and will only add to the log jam. We need to move some D prospects for a superstar forward or 2.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:27 PM

The D isn't the problem. We are 14th in goals allowed. The rangers are 13th and the blackhawks are 15th. So we are ok. It is the O that remains the issue. We are 23rd in goals scored. When you look at our prospects, most of the talent is on D. meaning we will get better. On O we are very thin. Anyone who is even close to being ready is already up. the next wave of forwards is 2-3 years away. Trading for a superstar d is very expensive, and will only add to the log jam. We need to move some D prospects for a superstar forward or 2.


The offense is because everyone who can come close to 20 goals has missed a bunch of time. Tatar because he was scratched early while they tried to figure out if Samuelsson could contribute at all and Nyquist because Holland made a bad bet that he could easily make a spot for Nyquist. Everyone else has been hurt.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#93 Z Winged Dangler

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:50 PM

 

 

So in other words you want good players for garbage.  Cool.

I actually gave a decent return to the Jets who can use Almqvist right away and pair Pulkkinen with a playmaker when they inevitably trade Kane somewhere.  The Flyers I gave crap cause they have the worst GM in the league aside from Edmonton, but I think they'd like McKee cause he's a big tough bastard and Ferraro could work there with his game.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:01 PM

The D isn't the problem. We are 14th in goals allowed. The rangers are 13th and the blackhawks are 15th. So we are ok. It is the O that remains the issue. We are 23rd in goals scored. When you look at our prospects, most of the talent is on D. meaning we will get better. On O we are very thin. Anyone who is even close to being ready is already up. the next wave of forwards is 2-3 years away. Trading for a superstar d is very expensive, and will only add to the log jam. We need to move some D prospects for a superstar forward or 2.

 

While it is true that our D isn't the problem concerning goals allowed it is lacking in offensive numbers. I've seen statistics before Christmas where we were dead last in terms on shots on goal by D-man  Right now we have only three D-Man with more than one goal. Kronwall ( 6), Quincy (3) and DeKeyser (2). Our whole D (excluding Amlquist) shot 15 goals. Webber and Chara each alone shot 13. The only two effective puckmoving D-man we have right now are Kronwall and Smith, from whom one is still very young and learning while beeing inconsistent because of this. And our supposed second veteran puckmoving D-man is Kyle Quincy which pretty much sums up the problems we have on the point-producing side of things. With the system the Wings usually play we have to get a more effective offensive D-man or somehow get our existing D-core to produce more points. Frankly I'd rather like to see a #2 offensive D-man here than a superstar forward.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:34 PM

Detroit would be a better team with Datsyuk and Stamkos than Zetterberg and Stamkos.  Although both teams would be VERY good with either of those combos. Zetterberg NOR Datsyuk are being traded so this is all for fun, but what will be fun is if/when Holland gets that type of scorer to play on the same lilne with BOTH Zetterberg and Datsyuk...and that is a major missing piece that Holland needs to address this summer...

 

Moving to the D.  Some folks here say that the Wings aren't ONE superstar defenseman away from the Stanley Cup, but if you look at our Stanley Cup winning teams, each and every one of those teams had ONE superstar defenseman and 5-6 solid others. (outside of 1997 when Vladdy was here and Lids was just becoming a superstar)

 

1997 - Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Murphy, Ward, Pushor, Rouse (Dandenault was still a RW)

1998 - Lidstrom, Murphy, Fetisov, Rouse, Mironov, Eriksson, Macoun (Dandenault was still a RW)

2002 - Lidstrom, Dandenault, Chelios, Duchesne, Fischer, Olausson (Krupp, Slegr)

2008 - Lidstrom, Chelios, Kronwall, Lebda, Rafalski, Stuart, Lilja

 

The common here is ONE superstar and a group of level B solid defenders.  Right now we have a whole D corps of level B-C defenders

 

Kronwall - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Smith those four will be your solid group of level B defenders, we NEED that superstar to anchor this team for the next 6-8 years+.

 

SUPERSTAR - Kronwall

Ericsson - Dekeyser

Smith - B defender

C Defender

 

That's the key on D.

 

Calling Lidstrom a superstar is putting it mildly... he is arguably the greatest D man of all time... 

 

But, in 1997, I do not think he was a top pairing D man, his minutes went way up the following year after Vladdy's accident.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:44 PM

DD that is ture, but it is only going to get worse, not better. All those guys that are hurt are over 30. The numbers of games missed will only increase. half of them are also UFA's after this year. Again we have major issues at F. yes the D could be better. But to get a guy like Weber will take way to much for what he brings us. We would have to completely gut our team and system of young talent, which will include the few young F's we have, making our F group even worse.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

Detroit would be a better team with Datsyuk and Stamkos than Zetterberg and Stamkos.  Although both teams would be VERY good with either of those combos. Zetterberg NOR Datsyuk are being traded so this is all for fun, but what will be fun is if/when Holland gets that type of scorer to play on the same lilne with BOTH Zetterberg and Datsyuk...and that is a major missing piece that Holland needs to address this summer...

 

Moving to the D.  Some folks here say that the Wings aren't ONE superstar defenseman away from the Stanley Cup, but if you look at our Stanley Cup winning teams, each and every one of those teams had ONE superstar defenseman and 5-6 solid others. (outside of 1997 when Vladdy was here and Lids was just becoming a superstar)

 

1997 - Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Fetisov, Murphy, Ward, Pushor, Rouse (Dandenault was still a RW)

1998 - Lidstrom, Murphy, Fetisov, Rouse, Mironov, Eriksson, Macoun (Dandenault was still a RW)

2002 - Lidstrom, Dandenault, Chelios, Duchesne, Fischer, Olausson (Krupp, Slegr)

2008 - Lidstrom, Chelios, Kronwall, Lebda, Rafalski, Stuart, Lilja

 

The common here is ONE superstar and a group of level B solid defenders.  Right now we have a whole D corps of level B-C defenders

 

Kronwall - Ericsson - Dekeyser - Smith those four will be your solid group of level B defenders, we NEED that superstar to anchor this team for the next 6-8 years+.

 

SUPERSTAR - Kronwall

Ericsson - Dekeyser

Smith - B defender

C Defender

 

That's the key on D.

 

Lefty, you're reaching.  Lidstrom, Fetisov, Murphy, and Chelios are all Hall of Famers.  Konstantinov would have been.  In the 1997-1998 season Fetisov played 18:00 minutes a night and Murphy 25:00 minutes.  I can't find numbers for the year before but logic dictates it was probably not less icetime given that they were a year younger.  In 2001-2002 Chelios played 25 minutes a night.  In 1997-1998 Lidstrom played 27:00 minutes a night, in 2001-2002 he played 28:00, and in 2007-2008 he played 26:00...again, no stats for 1996-1997 but there's no reason to assume a huge change one way or another.  Finally, because he was only on the first Cup team there's no stats for Konstantinov, but considering he was considered the better of the two (at the time) between he and Lidstrom, you have to assume it was a lot for him as well. 

 

It's not like they were a bunch of young kids who hadn't reached their potential, or else old guys who were past it.  They were Hall of Fame players logging HUGE minutes.  You've got a moderately valid point for 2008...maybe...but that was post cap and our defense was about as good as it could be given those constraints.


Edited by kipwinger, 29 January 2014 - 06:57 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:00 PM

Heard montreal declined parenteau cause they wanted jamie mcginn and the avs wanted bourque because they lack size .... What if we did a package type deal for mcginn ??


Andersson + for mcginn (avs don't have anyone at center over 6 feet) and we keep sheahan here , think mcginn would fit in nicely In detroit

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:04 PM

I would target Mark Stuart. I think the Jets will try and resign him though. I would also take a crack at Heatly. Yes I said Dany Heatly. Detroit has been able to reform players in the past and he will be the cheapest sniper out there. Id sign him to a 1 year contract till he proves himself. I would try and trade Weiss, Kindl, and Smith, dump Bert, Cleary, Eaves, Tootoo, Sammy, and buy out Mule.  



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:25 PM

Dustin Byfuglien
Age 28
Height: 6-5 Weight: 265lbs
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NHL Seasons: 8
 
GP - 55
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I'm not going to state what goes the other way as i don't want to speculate, but he is a player that I think could fit. Obviously we have to work on that +/-. He is under 30, shoots right, he is big, he has twice the hits of any Detroit dman. As demonstrated in the playoffs when Chicago won the cup the one year with him he can put up points and he absolutely dominated in front of the net in the playoffs that one year so he is versatile.
 

 

 

Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has been working the phones. The Jets are playing better under Paul Maurice, but they are still talking to teams about potential deals. Jets trade options include: Andrew Ladd, Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien. The Jets may only move one of those players

 







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