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#1361 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:37 AM

ya, but the fact that our 1st round pick will be almost 15 slots higher than, lets say, Pittsburgh, should add more value. Which we could send the lessor Almqvist. Plus Helm is a bit better all around than Sutter...

 

I don't think Babs would ever let Kenny trade Helm away. Neither him or Clears.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:40 AM

ya, but the fact that our 1st round pick will be almost 15 slots higher than, lets say, Pittsburgh, should add more value. Which we could send the lessor Almqvist. Plus Helm is a bit better all around than Sutter...

 

Agreed on both points.  The problem is, they're trading a young star.  Even if the pick was top ten, it's still hard to entice a team to trade a star with a pick (which may or may not turn out).  That's why picks are used to sweeten the pot, but not be the center piece.  The difference between the 15th and 28th pick is almost impossible to gauge the value on. 

 

Helm, Almquist, and a first might get it done, I don't want to say absolutely not...but I have a hard time believing someone couldn't beat that for a guy of Kesler's quality.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

7th in goals allow and 12th in goals scored, okay on paper but we need a solid dman to be out in last min of game to not give up a goal we have nobody but Ericsson n kronwall.... We need a top 3/4 players Andrew MacDonald on isles would be cheap and can maybe package with a vanek if the price is right.... Kulikov would be awesome I think, he way under developed and has potential.... Morris is not the as solid on D as I'd like but he has a rocket shot and can be top 4..... I would actually take sutter over helm because of his injuries last 2 season.... Like a few others mentioned we do NOT need kesler

Edited by brooklynsour, 02 March 2014 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:46 AM

I'm not quite sure they would be willing to take a chance on Helm, with his track record of injuries & and amount of time he's actually played. Just don't see him as "the guy" to sweeten the deal


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:03 AM

I don't see Holland including Helm in any kind of trade.  This team doesn't really have anyone to replace his role and even if they got something similar back as part of a trade it's still hard to replace his speed.  He has been plagued with injury problems but so was Kronwall for a good portion of the beginning of his NHL career and now he's been healthy for the most part.  Personally, I would just stick with the forward group they have out there and hope that Zetterberg can make it back in time for the playoffs (assuming they make it in).  A 3/4 defenseman is the most pressing need and I agree with everyone saying to pursue MacDonald from the Isles, if the price isn't too steep.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:10 AM

I'm not quite sure they would be willing to take a chance on Helm, with his track record of injuries & and amount of time he's actually played. Just don't see him as "the guy" to sweeten the deal

 

This is probably true. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:11 AM

Sheahan, Abby, and 1st+4th for Kesler. It puts Z&D back together when healthy and solidifies our center position for years to come with Jarnkrok and Kesler after the euro twins hang em up.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:13 AM

I don't see Holland including Helm in any kind of trade.  This team doesn't really have anyone to replace his role and even if they got something similar back as part of a trade it's still hard to replace his speed.  He has been plagued with injury problems but so was Kronwall for a good portion of the beginning of his NHL career and now he's been healthy for the most part.  Personally, I would just stick with the forward group they have out there and hope that Zetterberg can make it back in time for the playoffs (assuming they make it in).  A 3/4 defenseman is the most pressing need and I agree with everyone saying to pursue MacDonald from the Isles, if the price isn't too steep.

Ya I don't get why helm's name is being thrown around all of a sudden ... He's going nowhere at his best when he's healthy I'd say he's one of best 3rd line centers .... Tremendous speed great defensively can kill penalties , I'd say he's a type of player you need in the playoffs to win the cup

I'd say it's a safe bet holland and Babcock love him and unless he's demanding a 8 yr deal for 5 per type deal next contract I can see him here for many years to come

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 02 March 2014 - 11:14 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:29 AM

seems Colorado is looking to trade Stastny...rumored they are looking for a young D prospect, a solid D man still under contract and possibly a pick...

 

Kindl, Almqvist, 1st....get it done! I would even make it Smith...


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:35 AM

I'm not quite sure they would be willing to take a chance on Helm, with his track record of injuries & and amount of time he's actually played. Just don't see him as "the guy" to sweeten the deal


I would include Abby instead if Helm, even though Babs loves him and I doubt Holland would ever entertain trading him.

seems Colorado is looking to trade Stastny...rumored they are looking for a young D prospect, a solid D man still under contract and possibly a pick...
 
Kindl, Almqvist, 1st....get it done! I would even make it Smith...


Neither of those would get it done. Colorado would want Dekeyser who I have no interest in letting go.
In other news seems like Brodeur will get dealt, we don't need him, but I'm interested to see where he ends up. It's a shame he wasn't able to spend his entire career in NJ.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:37 AM

Brodeur is rumored to Minnesota.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:37 AM

Id like to see us get a defenseman like Dustin byfuglien or Big buff himself. He has not only size but has immense hockey talent. Id love to have a guy like that on the blue line.

 

I just feel like he has somthing this teams been missing for a while now. He could really thrive here. The ability to play D and Forward is what intrigues me the most. Big guy with hands? Yes Please.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:52 AM

ya, but the fact that our 1st round pick will be almost 15 slots higher than, lets say, Pittsburgh, should add more value. Which we could send the lessor Almqvist. Plus Helm is a bit better all around than Sutter...


From Gillis point of view he can do better than that. Especially compared to how much Shero gave up last year for some pure rentals.

Also Kesler for his size is diving way too much I don't like that and I fully understand why he would want out Torts is just too demanding especially with his shot blocking. Why would Keeper waive his ntc to come here? Guy wants to win a cup and this team isn't a contender regardless if he's on the roster or not.

this will be very shallow trade deadline because once again its a sellers market and the prices are too high for most Gms.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:52 AM

rumor out of Buffalo that Erhoff will be a scratch tomorrow...trade upcoming?

 

I do know that he was asked and complied with submitting a list of 6 teams he would accept a trade to....


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:43 PM

Buff is solid and good but slow and takes some plays off.... Plus he's a bit above 5 mil

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:53 PM

seems Colorado is looking to trade Stastny...rumored they are looking for a young D prospect, a solid D man still under contract and possibly a pick...

 

Kindl, Almqvist, 1st....get it done! I would even make it Smith...

 

No rentals.


Id like to see us get a defenseman like Dustin byfuglien or Big buff himself. He has not only size but has immense hockey talent. Id love to have a guy like that on the blue line.

 

I just feel like he has somthing this teams been missing for a while now. He could really thrive here. The ability to play D and Forward is what intrigues me the most. Big guy with hands? Yes Please.

 

Defenseman who is a defensive liability?  No thanks.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:58 PM

Per Vancouver sportswriter Jason Botchford: "The Canucks cant trade Kesler without getting a centre in return. They just dont have enough depth at the position."

That's why it makes so much sense that Weiss be a major part of that package. No matter how disappointing he may have been so far, he was a solid 1C and a captain and would be a solid 2c. Andersen gives them a 3c they desperately need as well, and helps to balance contract numbers. I'm good adding Pulkkinen or Jarnkrok, and an early pick.



http://www.theprovin...5934/story.html


There is another article that I cannot find that states why Gillis cannot afford to overvalue Kesler in this trade, but I can't find it.


Weiss is light years ahead of anything Sutter has to offer.

Edited by T.Low, 02 March 2014 - 01:01 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:02 PM

I'd go for Erhoff. Solidifies our top 4 and we can let Quincey walk in the offseason. Much needed offense that doesn't stop dead after the first pairing. Get him for cheap with that huge contract. We have a log jam of prospects ready to make jump to NHL with no room. Just makes too much sense

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

I'd go for Erhoff. Solidifies our top 4 and we can let Quincey walk in the offseason. Much needed offense that doesn't stop dead after the first pairing. Get him for cheap with that huge contract. We have a log jam of prospects ready to make jump to NHL with no room. Just makes too much sense

 

I agree with this. Would love Ehrhoff, but Buffalo trading within the same division it's going to cost quite a bit.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 01:45 PM

I'd go for Erhoff. Solidifies our top 4 and we can let Quincey walk in the offseason. Much needed offense that doesn't stop dead after the first pairing. Get him for cheap with that huge contract. We have a log jam of prospects ready to make jump to NHL with no room. Just makes too much sense


We also got a lot of good d prospects coming up soon (ouellet,sproul,backman,marchenko,almquist etc) and kronwall Ericsson dekeyser are locks to stay longterm ... Got kindl lashoff smith up now (I'm sure a few will be dealt) .... Just don't know if adding someone with a 7yr deal is a wise move

Adding a mark Stuart at the deadline might be better longterm and wouldn't cost as much





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