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#1521 Detroit # 1 Fan

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:55 PM

With Z, Weiss and Pav out, if we expect to make the playoffs we need help up front as well as the back end. If Kenny sits on his hands this year, with cap space and assets aplenty, we could miss the dance. You can't go into games with your top 3 centers Andersson, Helm, Sheahan. Yes the injuries have been insane, react to those and make a positive move. Youth is great, but we have a ton of prospects and we all know which ones are the untouchables.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:00 PM

Who took the mickey out of Burrows this year?

 

Injuries


Screw the nucks leave that pile in Vancouver let it stink there nobody but edler would provide what we really need.... I can't believe kh blessed Weiss for 5 f***in years, looking at his contract made me really angry, I think he's past his prime and way overrated, good reliable 3rd liner but for almost 5 mill better off w.out him
I don't think Ott will trade michalek, I would love to take him maybe as much as a vanek, he has an epic shot but was better a few years ago before his knee got messed up (I think knee)

 

 

29 is past his prime?  50+ points a year playing against the other team's top line is a 3rd line player?

 

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I would take Gillis down from Tatar to Juro. I think Tatar is too good of a player to trade away. Not only does he possess a lot of talent, but he is full of energy and he competes shift in and shift out. 

 

Helm, Juro, a 1st or something around those lines to get Keser and I would be happy, 

 

As for Erhoff, he has an absolute rocket. If the Wings get him, our Powerplay will become much more deadly. Not only that, he is good at moving the puck. At this rate, there are a ton of rumours, which makes me very excited for Wednesday. I am not saying Kenny will do something, but I just feel that he realizes that something has to be done.

 

I'd trade Tatar or Nyquist before Jurco.  He's big, skilled, and isn't afraid to hit.  I like Tatar and Nyquist, but trading one of them for a good player, especially a forward with size who can actually play hockey, would help the team.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:06 PM

Now Helm is expendable? This season really has driven you all mad

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:09 PM

Nobody is questioning Helm's value, but Sheahan is here to stay, they're going to re-sign Glenny as well as already have Andersson, Weiss, Pav and Z. Andy is not going to bring you anything of value in return, so if you want someone that can upgrade this team, Helm is the most valuable tradable asset you have. Look at Anaheim, they traded Ryan and got players that fit better and they are at the top of the league...you gotta give to get.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:10 PM

Now Helm is expendable? This season really has driven you all mad

 

There's a difference between expendable and available for the right deal.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:19 PM

Nobody is questioning Helm's value, but Sheahan is here to stay, they're going to re-sign Glenny as well as already have Andersson, Weiss, Pav and Z. Andy is not going to bring you anything of value in return, so if you want someone that can upgrade this team, Helm is the most valuable tradable asset you have. Look at Anaheim, they traded Ryan and got players that fit better and they are at the top of the league...you gotta give to get.



Ya I'm sure glendening will eventually score his first goal 200 games from now ... Way better off having sheahan and helm center the bottom 2 lines .... Trading helm is just ludicrous ,thank god holland would never do it

Love Tatar but out of the sheahan nyquist jurco he's the one id trade

If canucks would consider adding weiss under the premise he can rebound there , seeing as he's locked up for 4 more yrs and is a 2nd line center

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Weiss + Tatar for kesler ?

Trade a 3rd and a Ferraro ? For mark Stuart?

I know a lot of you want ehroff but that 7yrs is way too much ..... I know pierre McGuire is *** for Crosby but he even said today how he found that 7yr term a problem and it won't be as easy to get rid of him

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:28 PM

There's a difference between expendable and available for the right deal.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:29 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445134

How about reuniting Spezza with Alfie? Won't happen but an interesting thought.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:34 PM

sheahan has already proven he's capable of a 3rd line center role. he's out of waiver options next year so he'll probably be here unless he is traded.  he also brings some size that this team needs up front.

 

helm isn't good enough to be a 2nd line center, and he's too expensive to be a 4th line center.  he also has back issues to take into consideration.

 

hence, he's expendable.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:38 PM

sheahan has already proven he's capable of a 3rd line center role. he's out of waiver options next year so he'll probably be here unless he is traded.  he also brings some size that this team needs up front.

 

helm isn't good enough to be a 2nd line center, and he's too expensive to be a 4th line center.  he also has back issues to take into consideration.

 

hence, he's expendable.

 

I"m not sure having a single back injury is the same as having back issues.  Zetterberg has back issues, Bertuzzi has back issues.  Helm had a back injury. 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:43 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=445134
How about reuniting Spezza with Alfie? Won't happen but an interesting thought.


I'd pass on spezza ... He has some offensive skills ....but I just don't think he's a winner , don't think he'd help a team win a cup

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

Just curious what do you guys think we could fetch for Quincey? 2nd rounder if were lucky?

And any chance we would be able to find a taker for kindl?? I think it would be tough cause he's still got 3 more years left although his cap number isn't brutal but his stats aren't really anything great

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:54 PM

I truly believe Weiss is a 3rd line player especially with wings when splitting Pavel n Z... 29 is just a number player can be in his prime at 36,, I'm saying his best years r behind him and we will be strapped with his 5 mil per years

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

Just curious what do you guys think we could fetch for Quincey? 2nd rounder if were lucky?

 

i wonder if any GM would be dumb enough to give up a 1st?

 

...sorry, low blow  i know.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

Just curious what do you guys think we could fetch for Quincey? 2nd rounder if were lucky?
And any chance we would be able to find a taker for kindl?? I think it would be tough cause he's still got 3 more years left although his cap number isn't brutal but his stats aren't really anything great


Quincey doesn't have much value to the Wings fans but I'm sure he has value on the trade market. Not sure what he would fetch though, nothing significant, maybe a third rounder and a low prospect? I don't know.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:02 PM

This isn't random third line center were talking about. It's Darren Helm. One of the fastest and most defensively responsible centers in the game. Liked and respected by teammates. Liked and respected by management and the coaches. Loved by fan base. He IS our bottom 6. He won't be traded just like Draper was never traded. Expendable? IMO he's one of our bright spots...

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:09 PM

Wasn't Helm offered when we were going after Nash?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:13 PM

Tatar, Helm and a first for Kesler ? Gillian takes that and starts running but yeah it will be around the asking price that's why i don't want him. I would do the Ehrhoff trade

 

 

I would take Gillis down from Tatar to Juro. I think Tatar is too good of a player to trade away. Not only does he possess a lot of talent, but he is full of energy and he competes shift in and shift out. 

 

Helm, Juro, a 1st or something around those lines to get Keser and I would be happy, 

 

As for Erhoff, he has an absolute rocket. If the Wings get him, our Powerplay will become much more deadly. Not only that, he is good at moving the puck. At this rate, there are a ton of rumours, which makes me very excited for Wednesday. I am not saying Kenny will do something, but I just feel that he realizes that something has to be done.

 

I actually prefer Jurco to Tatar. At this point obviously Tatar is better but everyone is always complaining about wanting to get bigger as a team. Jurco is a bigger guy with amazing hands plus he has shown he isn't afraid of throwing his body around not to mention the fact that he should continue to put some weight and get bigger and harder to get off the puck. 

 

Some people don't want to trade Helm and I understand that but if you want a guy who has put up 40 goals you are gonna have to give something up. We know Sheahan will be on the roster next year unless he is traded because he is out of options, he should be the 3rd line center with Jurco and Alfie or Pulk. Babcock also loves Glendening. I think he has earned the right to be in that 4th line role next year. That game against the Blackhawks cemented that for me. Andersson might be able to sneak through waivers or play wing on the 4th line. Again, Sheahan is a guy that makes the team bigger. As much as I love Helm he doesn't bring much scoring wise. Sure he went through a short spurt early this year but we haven't seen much of anything scoring wise after that. 

 

Maybe Helm, Tatar and a 2nd. I would be fine giving that up for two years of Kesler, if not more. I think we could really use his help especially with injuries to our top 3 C's right now. 

 

If we make it to the playoffs a line of Z-Pav-Kesler with Kronwall-Erhoff would be something that we could definitely work with and advance with.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

if you aren't willing to trade Helm, then this team stays the same.  IF a package was presented for a player that we needed, and Helm was going back the other way, he is gone.

 

Hey, what if Nashville offered us Weber and the key piece going back was Helm, would he still be untouchable?


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:45 PM

if you aren't willing to trade Helm, then this team stays the same.  IF a package was presented for a player that we needed, and Helm was going back the other way, he is gone.

 

Hey, what if Nashville offered us Weber and the key piece going back was Helm, would he still be untouchable?

 

I don't think anyone is saying Helm is untouchable for a superstar.  But nobody would trade a star for Darren Helm, he's good but not good enough to land a star player.  As such, you'd basically be trading Helm for a pretty good player (but not a great one) and I think some feel that he's got more value to our team than does the type of player Helm would get you in a trade. 

 

Not saying I agree or disagree, but I do think it's important to be accurate.  Helm for Stamkos, yes.  Helm for Chris Stewart, no.


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