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#1681 VM1138

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:00 PM

If that's the asking price, I'd be strongly compelled to take it.  Only thing is, if we lose Helm for another Center, while we upgrade the position we don't solve our current dilemma of not having enough good centers healthy.

 

I agree with Holland about no rentals, but he should absolutely be aggressive about anyone else.  I'd part with picks easily, since the draft will be weak and the Wings will finish somewhere in the middle of the pack.  We have a lot of prospects, so if one of them gets us a legit top 6 or top 4 guy right now, you do it.

 

The injuries to Datsyuk and Z only make it more imperative that we make a move, not less.  Even with everyone healthy, the team still needs changes and additions.  So make them now, since there are some legitimately good choices available.  This year's deadline is better than previous ones because there are actually good players available, so don't wait for the off-season to upgrade somewhere.  

 

And as for Cammalleri, he may be small, but he gets to the dirty areas, doesn't he? And he snipes.  I think he's like Tatar. Small but he plays big.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:01 PM

I wonder if Shero is really willing to sell the farm for Kesler or if he's just trying to scare away potential suitors/drive up the price for rivals.  I mean, I can certainly imagine him going nuts and trading half of his farm club for an elite player...but wouldn't it make more sense for that player to be a defenseman than a forward...ya know, because their defense is laughable?


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:07 PM

I wonder if Shero is really willing to sell the farm for Kesler or if he's just trying to scare away potential suitors/drive up the price for rivals.  I mean, I can certainly imagine him going nuts and trading half of his farm club for an elite player...but wouldn't it make more sense for that player to be a defenseman than a forward...ya know, because their defense is laughable?

 

They had the same issue last year and went all in on forwards.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:14 PM

Tatar is small and gets knocked off the puck easier than a bigger guy would, but he's also a forward and a better skater than Almquist.
 
Jurco still needs to work on his defense, but you don't have to be good as a winger, just ok.
 
Most people who actually pay attention and know a bit about hockey figured Sheahan still had 3rd line upside pretty easily.
 
Almquist is small, which is a big issue for a d-man.  If you can skate at a high level, it's possible to overcome that.  Almquist can't.  Too many forwards are going to have both a size and speed advantage over him for him to ever be an NHL player, I don't care how much he scores in the AHL.  Lots of guys play great in the minors but get destroyed in the NHL.
 
All of the decent ones could skate better than Almquist can.


Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:26 PM

 

They had the same issue last year and went all in on forwards.

 

100% true.  I guess I was just thinking that if he's half the "genius" GM everyone proclaims him to be he'd have learned from that mistake.  Maybe not though. 

 

Edit:  I decided to check the numbers and they've got the 9th best goals against in the league so I guess they're not as bad as I thought.  You'd still think they'd be looking to replace Letang though.


Edited by kipwinger, 04 March 2014 - 12:29 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:31 PM

Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit

 

I don't care if he scored a goal in one of his 2 NHL games.  He's still bad defensively.  Lebderp was better defensively, and he'd make Quincey look like a Norris winner.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:50 PM

Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit


Please tell me you're not judging a player on a 2 game sample size.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:51 PM

Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good

If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

Think it helped lebderp to have lidstrom Rafalski kronwall Stuart Ericsson


just saying almquist would really help out our 2nd ppl unit ... No one could say with great certainty he wouldn't , I'd just to see him be given a chance , I can see him as a Tobias enstrom type on the ppl

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 04 March 2014 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:01 PM

Mike Weaver to MTL for a 5th round pick....there goes that prediction! :lol:


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:05 PM

Think it helped lebderp to have lidstrom Rafalski kronwall Stuart Ericsson


just saying almquist would really help out our 2nd ppl unit ... No one could say with great certainty he wouldn't , I'd just to see him be given a chance , I can see him as a Tobias enstrom type on the ppl


They're both small. Any other similarities?

No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:21 PM

Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.

This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.

Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.


Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.

Edited by T.Low, 04 March 2014 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

They're both small. Any other similarities?No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.


They can both quarterback a ppl? Both are small hockey players but have good hockey sense and offensive abilities .... Both swedish ... In there 20s .... Both like Chinese food and horseback riding and own a pony in the Ukraine

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:27 PM

Almquist 2 nhl games ... 1 goal .... So far so good
If anything I think he would really help our 2nd ppl unit


I like the guy, but he did fan on two one timers in the game I was at last weekend vs the Heat. :-)


He did look great on the PP, and man that guy slices the D with beautiful passes.

Edited by T.Low, 04 March 2014 - 01:30 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:28 PM

Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.
This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.
Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.
Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.


Wouldn't of done that deal either if I was holland

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:29 PM

Why would we want a legitimate top 6 forward to play on datsyuk's wing when we have helm who is almost as good defensively but in his 30 games in 3 years is a "warrior"

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:30 PM

Beat reporter on Vancouver s Team 1040 phone interview this morning said the reason Edler did not go to Detroit last summer is because Gillis wanted Tatar, Sheahan, and Smith.

This is a good example of why Kenny says it's difficult to get hockey trades done. Sounds worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist.

Also said Holmgren will really go after Kesler because Philly can't afford Pittsburgh getting him, they'll run through the East.


Pittsburgh wants to use Kesler as a 3c a la Jordan Stahl, I can't see the Diva in him content with 3c.

 

Kesler as a third Center? Good luck with that Bylsma the guy was pissed off at first because he didn't get first line center minutes. I'm wondering at what point Mario Lemieux steps in to set Shero straight. I mean does he really believe they can outscore everybody by such a large margin? Good teams know how to play against Pittsburgh, get Crosby of his game and shut his line down...the defense will take care of everything else the word is already out and yet Shero is only thinking about forwards amazing.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:31 PM

They're both small. Any other similarities?No one here could say with 'great certainty' that the Ukraine isn't a great place to live either. Doesn't make it so.

They can both quarterback a ppl? Both are small hockey players but have good hockey sense and offensive abilities .... Both swedish ... In there 20s .... Both like Chinese food and horseback riding and own a pony in the Ukraine


Enstrom is also a much better skater and really isn't that great of a defenseman either. Almquist would be worse and the Wings have several d prospects who are or will be better.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:34 PM

I like the guy, but he did fan on two one timers in the game I was at last weekend vs the Heat. :-)
He did look great on the PP, and man that guy slices the D with beautiful passes.


Well oshie/backea(don't remember which one it was ) took a shot and fanned and fell flat on his face this year lol ... No ones perfect :P

Lucky you man wish I could see so e Grand Rapids games especially now with the team stacked with such great prospects

Enstrom is also a much better skater and really isn't that great of a defenseman either. Almquist would be worse and the Wings have several d prospects who are or will be better.


Enstrom also is older and has more nhl experience ... And I do agree we have more better defensive prospects ahead of him but as of right now , today I think he could help our ppl

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:40 PM

@dabura no offense taken, friendly hockey debate no hurt feelings ☺... I don't see tats as a phenomenal team guy I see him more of a diy guy sometimes it seems he tries to create too much by himself (but hey with dats out tonight let's see how the 'yoots' play) fedorov was class personified, great in both ends, especially after first few season in the league... Kesler doesn't have the same talent, hes just tougher... Kronwall isn't dirty he just doesn't give a s*** who he hits and god forbid the other team is breaking out of their zone and the winger has his head down on the boards...(ie kronwall vs voracek lolol not even funny lol) I see Bert/tootoo maybe Abby as our dirty players, Bert learned his lesson after a season suspended and almost being jailed for attempt.... As for kesler becoming a team guy on the wings, its surely possible and I can see it as long as someone holds him in check, make sure he doesn't start thinking he's bigger than the team...
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