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#1781 Nyquistfan14

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:47 PM

I would have taken roundblad for a 2nd easily

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:56 PM

What makes no sense? Having a shot at McDavid makes more sense than eeking into the playoffs and being eliminated in the first round.

 

You want to blow an entire season and pray that you win the lottery(which is no guarantee ) just to draft Mcdavid? Making the playoffs is a big deal and there is no guarantee that the Wings would lose in the first round, look at what happened last year could you have predicted we would come within one game of beating Chicago. The playoffs are a crap shoot ones you get in anything can happen. Plus the Wings have plenty of young talent they might not be projected as well as Mcdavid but they are good, I just can't get behind blowing a season for a player no matter how good.  


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

 

You want to blow an entire season and pray that you win the lottery(which is no guarantee ) just to draft Mcdavid? Making the playoffs is a big deal and there is no guarantee that the Wings would lose in the first round, look at what happened last year could you have predicted we would come within one game of beating Chicago. The playoffs are a crap shoot ones you get in anything can happen. Plus the Wings have plenty of young talent they might not be projected as well as Mcdavid but they are good, I just can't get behind blowing a season for a player no matter how good.  

Chicago didn't take Detroit seriously, the second they did it was over. That BS that anything can happen isn't true, most of the teams that shouldn't be in get eliminated quickly and easily. And no-one the Red Wings have or have had since Yzerman projects anywhere near as good as McDavid.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:24 PM

Chicago didn't take Detroit seriously, the second they did it was over. That BS that anything can happen isn't true, most of the teams that shouldn't be in get eliminated quickly and easily. And no-one the Red Wings have or have had since Yzerman projects anywhere near as good as McDavid.

Tell that to the  2004 Calgary Flames.

 

Edit - guess what I'm getting at is that the Wings have been knocked out by lesser teams in the past.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:29 PM

Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:31 PM

Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

Tanking to get one player is just not smart.

To get a player that falls into the category of almost a lock to be a generational talent? With most of our first line talent either oft injured, or on the unhappy side of 35 and our prospects that could replace them being years away from replacing their production I would say taking a year to get a guy who is projected to compete favorably against Crosby as not a terrible idea.

 

Also, the Wing's didn't blow it, the second Chicago woke up the Wings were outclassed by a lot, I remember like 5 goals in the last 4 games of that series scored by the Wings.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:37 PM

To get a player that falls into the category of almost a lock to be a generational talent? With most of our first line talent either oft injured, or on the unhappy side of 35 and our prospects that could replace them being years away from replacing their production I would say taking a year to get a guy who is projected to compete favorably against Crosby as not a terrible idea.

Anyone else remember a fella by the name of Alex Daigle?


Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

Tanking to get one player is just not smart.

 

Chicago absolutely did take Detroit seriously. Their play was consistent with their previous round, Toews lost his cool and hurt his team, and our kids outplayed the Hawks.

We lost because we choked, not because Chicago was on some other level. Chicago barely escaped.

Tanking to get one player is just not smart.

Anyone else remember a fella by the name of Alex Daigle?



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:40 PM

Anyone else remember a fella by the name of Alex Daigle?

 

Okay? And? This kid will be the next Crosby/Malkin/Ovie level player, and possibly better as he is already bigger than Crosby, faster and stronger. This team is in bad need of blue chip young talent, not just boom/bust talent.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

 

Okay? And? This kid will be the next Crosby/Malkin/Ovie level player, and possibly better as he is already bigger than Crosby, faster and stronger. This team is in bad need of blue chip young talent, not just boom/bust talent.

And they thought Daigle was gonna be another Lemieux/Gretzky; teams such as then Quebec Nordiques were offering the Sens Sundin/Sakic/Foote/plus draft picks.

 

All I'm saying is that what ya see in Major Junior/NCAA hockey from 18 yr olds doesn't always translate to when they're 24 yr olds playing in the NHL.

 

I recall thinking - if I were the Sens GM - I would've taken that deal.....There'd be a bird poop covered statue of me right now in Ottawa.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:49 PM

 

Okay? And? This kid will be the next Crosby/Malkin/Ovie level player, and possibly better as he is already bigger than Crosby, faster and stronger. This team is in bad need of blue chip young talent, not just boom/bust talent.

 

So are you advocating trading Pav, Z, Kronwall, Howard, and Franzen for nothing but draft picks? Because unless you trade all your best players for nothing but picks finishing last is completely implausible. Not only that how as a fan could you want your team to tank? This team when healthy is a few players from being cup contenders, and there is no proof that they won't be healthy next year.


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:57 PM

 

So are you advocating trading Pav, Z, Kronwall, Howard, and Franzen for nothing but draft picks? Because unless you trade all your best players for nothing but picks finishing last is completely implausible. Not only that how as a fan could you want your team to tank? This team when healthy is a few players from being cup contenders, and there is no proof that they won't be healthy next year.

Every team is a few payers away from being a cup contender, literally every team. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:59 PM

Every team is a few payers away from being a cup contender, literally every team. 


Not even close. You didn't answer do you want to trade all your best players.

Edited by wings87, 04 March 2014 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:02 PM

Not even close.

You do realize 76% of the NHL is within 3 points of a playoff spot or in a playoff spot? A "few players" on just about any team that fill their need could make them go from where they are to a much better position. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:16 PM

You do realize 76% of the NHL is within 3 points of a playoff spot or in a playoff spot? A "few players" on just about any team that fill their need could make them go from where they are to a much better position.


If you trade all your top players and win the lottery and get Mcdavid all you'll have is Mcdavid. Is he good enough to play every position by himself?

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:21 PM



Every team is a few payers away from being a cup contender, literally every team. 

 

 

 

 



That BS that anything can happen isn't true, most of the teams that shouldn't be in get eliminated quickly and easily.

Then it's not so unrealistic then that 'anyone can beat anyone' as wings87 had previously suggested?



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:35 PM

 

 

 

 


Then it's not so unrealistic then that 'anyone can beat anyone' as wings87 had previously suggested?

Yes, if the Wings go in as they are today, they aren't a contender. If they traded for a legit #1 defenseman, a top 6 winger and a top 6 healthy center, they would be a contender. In this case they have acquired a few players, but its not realistic. Hence why I challenged him on his nonchalant claim that the wings are just a few players away. By this logic every team is a few players away.

 

Ah, to get back to original point: 

 

#1 The Wings are not one 'hockey trade' away from being a realistic contender.

 

#2 To be a realistic contender they would have to make at least two major moves for a top 6 forward and a #2 or #3 defenseman

 

#3 If they don't make this move they are better off not making the playoffs, because they will put themselves in a better position to acquire talent needed to either build for the future or trade for what they need in the near future. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:41 PM

should be able to straight up trade andy for kesler right? since andy is a first line center and kesler is 2nd line



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:51 PM

Yes, if the Wings go in as they are today, they aren't a contender. If they traded for a legit #1 defenseman, a top 6 winger and a top 6 healthy center, they would be a contender. In this case they have acquired a few players, but its not realistic. Hence why I challenged him on his nonchalant claim that the wings are just a few players away. By this logic every team is a few players away.

Well.....With the way the salary cap works; smart drafting (or should I say lucky drafting); savvy moves by the GM; a solid coach behind the bench.....Yeah - just about anyone can ride momentum going into the playoffs, and there's potential for anyone to beat anyone.

 

Now with that all said - I do agree with you that some teams are in fact 'favored', but even they can s*** the bed, and end up on the golf course earlier than expected...Look at the NYR circa late 90's to mid 2000's...All that talent with nuthin to show for it.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

 

 

#2 To be a realistic contender they would have to make at least two major moves for a top 6 forward and a #2 or #3 defenseman

 

 

 

 

and that is not an unrealistic goal by next season's start.. 


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

Yes, if the Wings go in as they are today, they aren't a contender. If they traded for a legit #1 defenseman, a top 6 winger and a top 6 healthy center, they would be a contender. In this case they have acquired a few players, but its not realistic. Hence why I challenged him on his nonchalant claim that the wings are just a few players away. By this logic every team is a few players away.


It's more realistic then Holland selling the entire team and hoping he gets Mcdavid.

Saying every team is a few players away is just not accurate, only half the teams make the play offs which means that only half the teams have the chance to contend for the Cup. The wings are in the playoffs right now, 50 % of the league would love to be in the same position we are. Ask fans of the Panthers or Oilers and see if they are happy to continue to pick early.

The Wings haven't had a top pick in a long time and that didn't stop them from drafting Pav, Z, or Lidstrom. They don't need the top pick to Win.

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