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#21 DickieDunn

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 09:09 AM

Tootoo cleared a roster spot, but not a lot of cap space.  They have almost $1 mil of dead space because of his contract.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:23 AM

I seem to remember Tootoo's line creating a lot of scoring chances last time he was up.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:35 AM

I seem to remember Tootoo's line creating a lot of scoring chances last time he was up.

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His lines usually do.  Tootoo is actually a pretty deft passer.  It's a seriously underrated part of his game. 


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

Tootoo cleared a roster spot, but not a lot of cap space.  They have almost $1 mil of dead space because of his contract.

But it's still $925k freed up. Means a lot when you need it. And the only people we have that would clear more are people who are much more valuable.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:20 AM

It's a joke that Tootoo is not on this team. He adds more than Samuelsson and Cleary every time he plays.
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:58 AM

Was never a Tootoo fan and was totally ticked off when they signed him for so much and for so long.  That said, I think he got a totally raw deal from the Red Wings.  It isn't like Tootoo  has ever been a defensive specialist or a high scorer.  He came and played exactly the way he always did.  He is what we thought he was.  For that, he's been benched and buried in the minors.  What was left of his career, I don't know, but the Wings have essentially ruined any chance he had of latching on to another team and re-establishing himself.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 01:28 PM

I understand why they don't play him.  The kids probably bring more than he would.  What I don't understand is why they signed him to a three year deal to begin with if they knew these holes in his game.

 

I bet he'd see more ice time if the kids didn't all impress.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:14 PM

 

His lines usually do.  Tootoo is actually a pretty deft passer.  It's a seriously underrated part of his game. 

 

This.

 

Some of his passes in the AHL have been stand out. He's doing pretty well points wise for the Griffins.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:24 PM

OP, you're not missing anything, Babs and Holland have done a terrible job 'filling holes'.  There are 4 players worth $8.725 million sitting or buried in the minors.  (Cleary, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo)

 

That's terrible, especially for Tootoo.  I think he got shafted coming to Detroit, like what did they expect from him, 50 goals? 



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

Still have no clue what Tootoo did to get in Babcocks s***house besides exactly what they signed him for.

Some point to a couple staged fights....bigf****** deal, who does it hurt to box at the the opening bell with willing combatant and it happened twice and then he played hockey.

Sure he hit behind the play a few times. Probably out of boredeom and frustration from getting 2 minutes of ice a game.

Probably just wanted to do something to feel like part of the team and just like the staged fights, the hits happened rarely that put he and team in bad position and Tootoos mistakes were generally done 100mph.

Plenty of Wings do far worse and still earn pats on the back and more ice time.

Im happy he's is on ice every night for Griffs contributing...seems to be having a lot of fun down there as well and the fans and teammates love him.

Sucks he was deemed not worthy of getting ice time with Wings but im happy he's playing pro hockey and cashing big checks from Detroit payroll, he deserves every cent!

35 years being a Wing fan, and I'm sure why but the Tootoo thing has saddened and frustrated me more than I can recall anything else. I felt very similar about Modano as well.

I guess i just really feel both guys seemed so genuinely excited to come to Detroit and be af****** Redwing. Both could have flourished here and really help out the Wings but never got a fair shake by no fault of their own. Its a tough bizness.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:26 PM

Still have no clue what Tootoo did to get in Babcocks s***house besides exactly what they signed him for.

Some point to a couple staged fights....bigf****** deal, who does it hurt to box at the the opening bell with willing combatant and it happened twice and then he played hockey.

Sure he hit behind the play a few times. Probably out of boredeom and frustration from getting 2 minutes of ice a game.

Probably just wanted to do something to feel like part of the team and just like the staged fights, the hits happened rarely that put he and team in bad position and Tootoos mistakes were generally done 100mph.

Plenty of Wings do far worse and still earn pats on the back and more ice time.

Im happy he's is on ice every night for Griffs contributing...seems to be having a lot of fun down there as well and the fans and teammates love him.

Sucks he was deemed not worthy of getting ice time with Wings but im happy he's playing pro hockey and cashing big checks from Detroit payroll, he deserves every cent!

35 years being a Wing fan, and I'm sure why but the Tootoo thing has saddened and frustrated me more than I can recall anything else. I felt very similar about Modano as well.

I guess i just really feel both guys seemed so genuinely excited to come to Detroit and be af****** Redwing. Both could have flourished here and really help out the Wings but never got a fair shake by no fault of their own. Its a tough bizness.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:39 PM

I still don't understand why they signed him in the first place?  Holland and Babcock hate those types of players.  

 

He did have one season where he hit 30 points in Nashville, but if you look at his career stats, that's an anomaly. Otherwise, he's played exactly the style that he played in Nashville.  I'm not sure what else they expected from him?  To be a great PK man and score many goals?  That's never been his game.  

 

Then again, they signed Cleary expecting him to apparently play well this season.  Don't know why they thought that.  Same thing with Sammy.  

That's just it.....Unless you just crawled out from under a rock - you know what Tootoo will provide.

 

Why Holland signed him, along with Cleary/Sammy/Bert is a real head scratcher.

 

Not sure if the blame falls on Holland, or Babcock, or both.....Personally - I'm really beginning to wonder about Holland.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:41 PM

Its also a mystery as to why they didn't use a buyout on him at the very least knowing they wouldn't use him. 



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

OP, you're not missing anything, Babs and Holland have done a terrible job 'filling holes'.  There are 4 players worth $8.725 million sitting or buried in the minors.  (Cleary, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo)

 

That's terrible, especially for Tootoo.  I think he got shafted coming to Detroit, like what did they expect from him, 50 goals? 

...and the funny thing is..........players have a tendency to 'talk' to one another.

 

All it takes is a combo of dumb moves/decisions by Holland/Babcock, and many potential ufa's may think twice about coming to Detroit.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 07:23 PM

I still think you're all reading too much into it. I really don't think it's any kind of punishment, or even an expression of dissatisfaction with his play. It's just an unfortunate situation.

 

He played almost every game last year. He was on the roster to start the year over Nyquist. We've just needed some people in different roles. He could fit now, in place of Miller, Eaves, or Cleary...but he's already in GR and even if we brought him up we'd just need to send him back down once our skill guys get back.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the team next year.



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:34 PM

 
This.
 
Some of his passes in the AHL have been stand out. He's doing pretty well points wise for the Griffins.


Idk about passing cause I havnt seen any Griffs games this year, but his points aren't that great. He's scoring 22% less than he did in his last AHL stint. Gotta think a seasoned NHL vet can do better than that in the minors. Of course I don't know what role he's playing in.

Regardless, we know why he was brought here, and it's not to score.

He's doing something the wings don't like, otherwise he'd have been called up and sent back down again by now

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:59 PM

Idk about passing cause I havnt seen any Griffs games this year, but his points aren't that great. He's scoring 22% less than he did in his last AHL stint. Gotta think a seasoned NHL vet can do better than that in the minors. Of course I don't know what role he's playing in.
Regardless, we know why he was brought here, and it's not to score.
He's doing something the wings don't like, otherwise he'd have been called up and sent back down again by now

Like play physical and showing he's got pulse.
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