WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted November 25, 2014 Babs with the coveted "groin line" Helm - Dats - Weiss Cleary rotating in just to make sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted November 25, 2014 That's why Ryan O'Reilly's #1 on my wish list. He'd give us our elite two-way 1C of the future, and in the meantime you could use him as a top-line winger. I'd be willing to pay quite a bit for this guy. How much are you willing to pay? Lets hear your trade offer? 2 Echolalia and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Yeah not the best looking line. We could call it the Too Many Centers line. Or maybe the Injured Reserve. The ICU: Injured Centers United! Edited November 26, 2014 by T.Low 1 PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted November 26, 2014 Because a per game estimate is a far better predictor of what they'll do in a single game than their recent season totals would suggest. You'd be correct if they were playing the emtire season together, but they're not. I agree after Weiss played one game this season is statistics per game means he will score 164 goals a year. O MY GOD SO MUCH BETTER! 1 canadian wings fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted November 26, 2014 I agree after Weiss played one game this season is statistics per game means he will score 164 goals a year. O MY GOD SO MUCH BETTER! don't be whack. He played 2 games so he is only on pace for 82 goals in a 82 game season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted November 26, 2014 don't be whack. He played 2 games so he is only on pace for 82 goals in a 82 game season Crap you're right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted November 26, 2014 If he averaged, over the last 5 years, 2 goals per gamethn yeah I'd say there would be a pretty good shot he'd score 2 goals. Unless you have a better satistical prediction model, in which case I'd love to hear it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 27, 2014 Well I didn't think the Helm, Weiss, Jurco line would score and it did, so I'm just going to shut up. But man do I think that Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm line is doomed to failure. None of those guys averages more than about 130-140 shots a year. Whatever Babcock throws out for his next new line, for the love of god say its going to be terrible. Your words have magic 2 krsmith17 and e_prime reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted November 27, 2014 At this point if Weiss can keep producing for 4 or 5 more games I think babs has to consider giving him the keys to the second line C spot. Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Abby Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Miller - Helm - Glendening I would consider moving Helm in a deal in the second half of the season for an upgrade at D. Kronwall - Smith Ouellet - Dekeyser Quincey - Ericsson (PK and shut down) Lashoff Get rid of Kindl for literally anything or waive him. 3 UpstateNYRedWingsFan, DannyD and T.Low reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted November 28, 2014 I have seen Helms name thrown around a few times now as trade bait, he's always been one of my favorite red wing so seeing him go wouldn't be the best news I've heard... His speed is a big asset especially to a team that thrives off quickness, but you have to move asset to attain one just the way the cookie crumbles. I just see him as a big part of our team late in the season and playoff time, what I consider a good depth player. He's been hurt for a large chunk the past 2 years, which doesn't make up for having stones for hands, except me believing he's capable of providing more given time. This sequence here shows just why he's so valuable given it was awhile back....http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=HSr1i4AUnYA 2 PavelValerievichDatsyuk and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 So.... Datsyuk on the third line in definitely unorthodox and I can't imagine he'll stay there for long, and the Datsyuk, Helm, Weiss line hasn't always looked cohesive out there, but at the same time, since Babs has been rolling these lines, the Wings have scored 14 goals in three games (all victories), and has had production from all four lines. In fact, the only players to not register at least a point in the past three games are Glendening and Mrazek (yes, Howard has one too). Even if Datsyuk is on the third line, there's no way you split these lines up until guys start cooling off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 So.... Datsyuk on the third line in definitely unorthodox and I can't imagine he'll stay there for long, and the Datsyuk, Helm, Weiss line hasn't always looked cohesive out there, but at the same time, since Babs has been rolling these lines, the Wings have scored 14 goals in three games (all victories), and has had production from all four lines. In fact, the only players to not register at least a point in the past three games are Glendening and Mrazek (yes, Howard has one too). Even if Datsyuk is on the third line, there's no way you split these lines up until guys start cooling off. Its not like Babs is calling it and using it like a 3rd line. Realistically every line is taking a regular shift and getting good ice time. Also the "3rd line" is one of the power play units and its not magic that the power play has clicked since the same guys have stuck together. I don't think Dats is offended to be playing with those players after playing with cleary and abby for nearly 2 seasons on the "1st line." I agree - these guys have to stay together. 1 T.Low reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Its not like Babs is calling it and using it like a 3rd line. Realistically every line is taking a regular shift and getting good ice time. Also the "3rd line" is one of the power play units and its not magic that the power play has clicked since the same guys have stuck together. I don't think Dats is offended to be playing with those players after playing with cleary and abby for nearly 2 seasons on the "1st line." I agree - these guys have to stay together. Definetly don't think pavel will continue to be on this so talked 3rd line but if all 3 lines continued to play well why stop it? Just imagine the 2 other lines continue to play great and we can afford to have pavel in a 3rd line in huge playoffs? That would create a lot of headaches for the opposing teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,198 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) The Wings' offense has really come alive this month. I think we scored four or more goals in all of our victories. This win over the Devils is especially cool because of who scored: Sheahan, Ouellet, Abdelkader, Miller. We're getting contributions from everyone now. We do need increased production from the back end, though. Cody Franson could really help that cause. Edited November 29, 2014 by Dabura 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Wonder what the defensive pairings will be with Smith back. Ouellette played fantastic last night playing with Kindl. I would love to see Smith-Ouellete pairing allowed to free wheel. Ouellette seems pretty aggressive jumping into the play and going to the net, something Smith has been reluctant to do. Edited November 29, 2014 by joesuffP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Wonder what the defensive pairings will be with Smith back. Ouellette played fantastic last night playing with Kindl. I would love to see Smith-Ouellete pairing allowed to free wheel. Ouellette seems pretty aggressive jumping into the play and going to the net, something Smith has been reluctant to do. Probably has something to do with ‘Hockey IQ”. It appears Ouellet has this in spades. Smith, god love him, while having superior size and skill seems to be a slower between the ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) In Smith's defense, he was very involved offensively and jumped into the play regularly during his first call up (I think he had 6 points in those first 12 games, or something like that). Once he officially broke the roster we started to see him play a more stay-at-home type game, but more recently, I think Smith has been bringing that aspect of his game back. Edit: actually I suspect we will see the same course of development in Oulette. His goal last night was the result of him getting a quick feed into the slot, but its not like he sneaked in the back door from the blue line. He was fully engaged in a goal-mouth scramble prior to the goal, then the puck bounced behind the net, and Oulette maintained his position at the crease instead of falling back to the blue line. It worked out in our favor this time, but you can bet Babcock will not want his defensman playing the offensive crease for that amount of time and leaving the blueline unattended like that. Edited November 29, 2014 by Echolalia 2 e_prime and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 @#$%! Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 52m 52 minutes ago Holland said Ouellet will be sent down when Smith is activated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Wow that's a shocker. I don't see a lot of teams being interested in Kindl unless he's thrown onto a package deal. He's been decent all year but Ouellette seemed like an upgrade at least. This has to be showcasing for a trade or Kindl's last chance before getting waived? I'd rather waive Lashoff. All this work to showcase Kindl and send a deserving player back to the minors for a late pick if we're lucky. We're better off holding on to Kindl and using him as a 7th d man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 It's frustrating. They managed to shed most of Holland's bad signings this offseason, but Kindl's is really the last one holding this team back. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Why not just waive Lashoff? Doesn't make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Just get rid of Lashoff. He's a plug anyways and Ouellet is better than Kindl. Another case of "overripe" when it isn't necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Lashoff is the perfect seventh defensemen. He's cheap. He'll always be cheap. And he's not bad. Yes we have upgrades, but then we either have kindls cap hit sitting in the press box and not getting any playing time to increase his value, or oulette sitting. 2 krsmith17 and haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Just get rid of Lashoff. He's a plug anyways and Ouellet is better than Kindl. Another case of "overripe" when it isn't necessary. Do we want Ouellet as the 7th defenceman, though? If we waived Lashoff and kept Kindl as #7 that be fine with me except that that would make it even harder to trade him off and that would be his path to a buyout in the summer. He would then mark against the cap for 2 more years. 2 krsmith17 and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Definetly don't think pavel will continue to be on this so talked 3rd line but if all 3 lines continued to play well why stop it? Just imagine the 2 other lines continue to play great and we can afford to have pavel in a 3rd line in huge playoffs? That would create a lot of headaches for the opposing teams One thing I can't really tell is, what are the match ups against these lines? Which line is drawing which opposing D pairing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites