Lines Thread

[Dabura 12,207]

Re: Franzen - It's funny, I realized a couple days ago that Franzen-Helm-Alfredsson would, in theory, make for a wicked, wicked line.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I was imagining Franzen-Zetterberg-Nyquist during the game last night. Swedish connection.

Abdelkader-Helm-Tatar would be a feisty 3rd

[joesuffP 1,746]

And no Kindl!

See how much the Defense tightened up after a regular gets scratched? This D isn't good enough to get complacent. Kindl has been begging to be scratched all year

[brett 1,029]

too many options with a healthy lineup in playoffs

not sure where abs fits in and helm could go from 2nd line to 4th

andy could be fighting for a job too

Edited January 27, 2014 by brett

[Guest mjtm77]

I personally would like this line up. But it would depend on Weiss actually being a 2c. Also andersson will most likely play and not be a scratch

Zetterberg Datsyuk franzen

Nyquist Weiss Tatar

Abby helm Alfie

Cleary Sheahan miller/ eaves

Andersson

this line up will never happen and prob nor should it happen, but IMO it would be cool to see for a few games at least. There are so manny different line combos to work with.... There are obvious pluses With this lineup ( the first line is amazing). There are obvious negatives ( second line a bit weak vs someone like pens or the bruins), ( will there be chemistry between everyone) anyway because its kinda dead just for fun tell me what u think of this line up for a few games. What would u do with it?

[Nyquistfan14 489]

In a perfect world I would like to see this lineup...

Nyquist- zetterberg- mule (has worked very well)

Weiss- datsyuk- alfy (Weiss can put this team over the top if he returns to form)

Jurco- sheahan- Tatar ( wow is this line ever good)

Abby- helm- glendening ( best 4th line in hockey, hands down)

Anderson as the 13th forward

What do you all think?

[wingedominance13 112]

In a perfect world I would like to see this lineup...

Nyquist- zetterberg- mule (has worked very well)

Weiss- datsyuk- alfy (Weiss can put this team over the top if he returns to form)

Jurco- sheahan- Tatar ( wow is this line ever good)

Abby- helm- glendening ( best 4th line in hockey, hands down)

Anderson as the 13th forward

What do you all think?

Only thing I would switch is putting Z, D together. Zets is better on the wing for the simple reason that he doesn't have to bang as much and therefore typically stays healthier (which is better for the team). I'd run

Zets, Pav, Alfie/Franzen (see who works better here)

Nyquist, Weiss, Franzen/Aflie

Tatar, Sheehan, Jurco (love this line)

Abby, Helm, Miller (Andy, Miller working in)

[amato 3,210]

Tatar, Sheehan, Jurco (love this line)

THIS! ah they were so good last night.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

THIS! ah they were so good last night.

Exactiy!! Imagine a bottom 6 of

Tatar- sheahan- jurco

Abby-helm- glendening

We all love that 3rd line, boy wow that 4th line is crazy good. They have so much speed and grit, they could have the ability to match up against some 1st lines and drive them crazy!

[nawein 324]

Exactiy!! Imagine a bottom 6 of

Tatar- sheahan- jurco

Abby-helm- glendening

We all love that 3rd line, boy wow that 4th line is crazy good. They have so much speed and grit, they could have the ability to match up against some 1st lines and drive them crazy!

That with a top 6 of

Z-D-Alfie

Nyquist-Weiss-Mule

And Howard on his game and people are saying we don't have a real shot at the cup? Hm. News to me.

[Dabura 12,207]

Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Jurco

Johan Franzen Stephen Weiss Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar Riley Sheahan Daniel Alfredsson

Justin Abdelkader Darren Helm Jordin Tootoo

(Re: Tootoo - Yes, I'm trolling.)

[kipwinger 8,524]

Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Jurco

Johan Franzen Stephen Weiss Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar Riley Sheahan Daniel Alfredsson

Justin Abdelkader Darren Helm Jordin Tootoo

(Re: Tootoo - Yes, I'm trolling.)

I like this. Except swap Helm and Sheahan (considering Helm learned how to score goals out of nowhere) and drop Tootoo for Miller (since you've already dropped one of our better PK guys in Andy).

I like it because you've got a guy who can carry the puck into the zone on each line (Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan), a guy who plays well without the puck on each line (Z, Franzen, Tatar, Abby), and a guy who's most successful when playing with the puck (Jurco, Nyquist, Tatar) on the others. Miller is obviously there for defense and special teams so who cares what he does with or without the puck.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

That with a top 6 of

Z-D-Alfie

Nyquist-Weiss-Mule

And Howard on his game and people are saying we don't have a real shot at the cup? Hm. News to me.

Yes that's one way to put it, but personally I would leave the twins split. I throw Weiss on pavels wing because I believe he is the best guy to help get him going and feeling confident! If we get the Stephen Weiss of old, this team is gonna be so scary! If they can somehow keep all the kids up and get the dead weight out I would seriously put there forward group up against any other in the NHL!

Weiss- datsyuk- alfy

Nyquist- z- mule

Tatar- Sheehan- jurco

Abby- helm- glendening

With this lineup you have 3 scoring lines, but they are also all defensively responsible. You have a kid line full of energy, skill, speed, determination, and hunger. You have an energy 4th line that is so fast and will give teams absolute fits, but they are also responsible and can match up with other teams top lines.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Yes that's one way to put it, but personally I would leave the twins split. I throw Weiss on pavels wing because I believe he is the best guy to help get him going and feeling confident! If we get the Stephen Weiss of old, this team is gonna be so scary! If they can somehow keep all the kids up and get the dead weight out I would seriously put there forward group up against any other in the NHL!

Weiss- datsyuk- alfy

Nyquist- z- mule

Tatar- Sheehan- jurco

Abby- helm- glendening

With this lineup you have 3 scoring lines, but they are also all defensively responsible. You have a kid line full of energy, skill, speed, determination, and hunger. You have an energy 4th line that is so fast and will give teams absolute fits, but they are also responsible and can match up with other teams top lines.

Weiss is a natural center and has never played the wing consistently in his professional career. How would putting him in an unnatural position, in an unnatural system make him feel more comfortable and "get him going".

Better to put Z on Weiss' wing if you're trying to coax along his offense considering Z produces better on the wing than he does at center.

[Nyquistfan14 489]

Weiss is a natural center and has never played the wing consistently in his professional career. How would putting him in an unnatural position, in an unnatural system make him feel more comfortable and "get him going".

Better to put Z on Weiss' wing if you're trying to coax along his offense considering Z produces better on the wing than he does at center.

I understand fully what you are saying, but as we've already heard Weiss has had a real tough time adjusting to the system, and I could be wrong, but I think that has to do with playing in the middle. Maybe playing him on the wing with arguably two future hall of famers ( datsyuk, alfy) is exactly the type of thing to get him going. I mean that's just my opinion, plus I love the nyquist-z-mule line and don't think they should split them up. Just my 2 cents

[Dabura 12,207]

I like this. Except swap Helm and Sheahan (considering Helm learned how to score goals out of nowhere) and drop Tootoo for Miller (since you've already dropped one of our better PK guys in Andy).

I like it because you've got a guy who can carry the puck into the zone on each line (Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan), a guy who plays well without the puck on each line (Z, Franzen, Tatar, Abby), and a guy who's most successful when playing with the puck (Jurco, Nyquist, Tatar) on the others. Miller is obviously there for defense and special teams so who cares what he does with or without the puck.

Agreed. TBH, I just chose Tootoo because his name is the exact number of characters I needed to make all of the lines geometrically even.

Here's the real deal:

Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Jurco

Johan Franzen Stephen Weiss Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar Riley Sheahan Daniel Alfredsson

Drew Miller Darren Helm Justin Abdelkader

Helm and Sheahan should be switched around, but I like the chemistry Tatar and Sheahan seem to have. And, really, Helm on the fourth line isn't such a bad thing, provided the third line is good enough to justify this. Also, it gives us a big body on each line (Jurco, Franzen, Sheahan, Abdelkader).

[sjr2012 439]

Z Dats Franzen

Goose Weiss Tats

Abby Helm Alfie

Miller Andy Eaves

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Agreed. TBH, I just chose Tootoo because his name is the exact number of characters I needed to make all of the lines geometrically even.

Here's the real deal:

Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Jurco

Johan Franzen Stephen Weiss Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar Riley Sheahan Daniel Alfredsson

Drew Miller Darren Helm Justin Abdelkader

Helm and Sheahan should be switched around, but I like the chemistry Tatar and Sheahan seem to have. And, really, Helm on the fourth line isn't such a bad thing, provided the third line is good enough to justify this. Also, it gives us a big body on each line (Jurco, Franzen, Sheahan, Abdelkader).

I really like those lines, but if it was any lines I could have with any Wings players, it would be almost the same, but:

Z-Dats-Nyquist

Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Glendening-Helm-Abdelkader

I would keep that 3rd line together until they become our 1st line, and then still keep them together until they all retire! Trade Kindl to the Jets for Stuart and bench Quincey:

Kronwall-Ericsson

Smith-DeKeyser

Lashoff-Stuart

That team could win the Cup. I'm confident of that.

[kipwinger 8,524]

I really like those lines, but if it was any lines I could have with any Wings players, it would be almost the same, but:

Z-Dats-Nyquist

Franzen-Weiss-Alfredsson

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Glendening-Helm-Abdelkader

I would keep that 3rd line together until they become our 1st line, and then still keep them together until they all retire! Trade Kindl to the Jets for Stuart and bench Quincey:

Kronwall-Ericsson

Smith-DeKeyser

Lashoff-Stuart

That team could win the Cup. I'm confident of that.

I wish this would work, and I sure hope it still will...but given how bad Franzen, Weiss, and Alfie played together I'd be real hesitant to pencil them in together.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

I wish this would work, and I sure hope it still will...but given how bad Franzen, Weiss, and Alfie played together I'd be real hesitant to pencil them in together.

Switch Nyquist and Alfredsson. I was thinking that after. I think that Nyquist and Weiss could have good chemistry together. their speed would work well together, and like Helm and Tatar, they would open up room for Franzen to shoot.

[matthewdanna 143]

Agreed. TBH, I just chose Tootoo because his name is the exact number of characters I needed to make all of the lines geometrically even.

Here's the real deal:

Henrik Zetterberg Pavel Datsyuk Tomas Jurco

Johan Franzen Stephen Weiss Gustav Nyquist

Tomas Tatar Riley Sheahan Daniel Alfredsson

Drew Miller Darren Helm Justin Abdelkader

Helm and Sheahan should be switched around, but I like the chemistry Tatar and Sheahan seem to have. And, really, Helm on the fourth line isn't such a bad thing, provided the third line is good enough to justify this. Also, it gives us a big body on each line (Jurco, Franzen, Sheahan, Abdelkader).

Here's why I like this lineup... Jurco on the top line to learn from BOTH Pav and Z - would have a huge influence on his development. If all centers are healthy, Sheahan plays over Andy - Has to! Reminds me of McCarty, except smaller. Tatar and Sheahan have a true veteran and star to learn from on their line..Nyquist doesn't need that as much as he is the most developed. Now on that second line, I might experiment with Mule at center on Weiss on the wing every once a while. Helm on the 4th is fine as long as he gets some PP time. Defense is pretty much what it is as I don't see us getting anyone.... But, how would this be possible roster and cap wise. I assume Andy stays up with Eaves and Glendening would go down, but there's still Cleary, Emmerton, Bert... I doubt we get to keep Jurco up.

[kipwinger 8,524]

So, I don't really want to post line combos, but I just did this on capgeek. Following this blueprint we can fit the majority of our young guys and still have room for the vets that aren't going anywhere. They, if we want to make further moves, we're in good shape capwise to do so.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($3.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.630m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Danny Cleary ($1.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($0.925m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Brendan Smith ($1.263m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
BURIED
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.900m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.975m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.275m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2014-01-28)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; BONUSES: $2,850,833
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,430,167

Some thoughts:

1. We're not waiving Cleary or Bert, so best we can hope for is that they're scratched (which is possible with this lineup).

2. I traded Kindl for nothing. Someone would take him for a conditional 4th or something. Probably more than that actually if we really wanted to do a for real trade.

3. I demoted Glendening and Sheahan sadly. However, either of them could be back if we made an admittedly difficult decision and traded Andersson or moved one to wing in place of Jurco.

[amato 3,210]

At practice today/likely the lines against the caps tomorrow:

"@AnsarKhanMLive: Lines: Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader, Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, Andersson-Helm-Alfredsson, Miller-Glendening-Eaves. Emmerton skating, too."

Bert scratched again. Pav not ready yet.

[kipwinger 8,524]

At practice today/likely the lines against the caps tomorrow:

"@AnsarKhanMLive: Lines: Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader, Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, Andersson-Helm-Alfredsson, Miller-Glendening-Eaves. Emmerton skating, too."

Bert scratched again. Pav not ready yet.

Where's Cleary? Hopefully he got lost on his way to the rest of the season.

[rick zombo 3,739]

At practice today/likely the lines against the caps tomorrow:

"@AnsarKhanMLive: Lines: Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader, Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, Andersson-Helm-Alfredsson, Miller-Glendening-Eaves. Emmerton skating, too."

Bert scratched again. Pav not ready yet.

Two significant things for sure. Cleary scratched, and the start of the "Andersson on the wing" experiment.

Hopefully Andy plays well on Helm's wing. It would greatly reduce the pains of having a log jam up the middle when/if the team gets healthy.

Edited January 30, 2014 by rick zombo