DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Tatar - Datsyuk - Helm Cole - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Franzen - Sheahan - Nyquist Jurco - Weiss - Pulkkinen Would mean some PK responsibility for Pav and Hank, but 4 scoring lines is not entirely unrealistic. Let me introduce you to our coach, Mike Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Let me introduce you to our coach, Mike Babcock. Glendening - Glendening - Glendening Glendening - Glendening - Glendening Glendening - Glendening - Glendening Glendening - Glendening - Glendening *Fixed 3 derblaueClaus, amato and mvanpop reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted March 9, 2015 Please read above post. Could you come up with a softer 4th line that will be more useless in the playoffs? I'd rather have John Scott playing on the 4th line than Pulkinnen, who needs more icetime to be more productive. Also, why are people fascinated with putting Helm and Abby on the top 6, when their skill level is inferior to the guys on the lower lines? The coach has Abby and Helm in the top 6. Like it not, it works fairly well. That 4th line doesn't have the "poor linemates" problem you mention, and while the limited minutes would lower productivity it wouldn't reduce it to zero. Whether they'd be tough enough to fight through a physical defense is another question, but they're going to have to learn to do that no matter where they're playing in the lineup. I'm not really advocating those lines, as I think it's too much defensive responsibility to put on Pav and Hank. Just pointing out that we have the skill players to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 What about... Zetterberg - Datsyuk - AbdelkaderTatar - Sheahan - NyquistCole - Weiss - PulkinnenMiller - Glendening - JurcoKronwall - EriccsonQuincey - DeKeyserZidlicky - Smith No need to discuss the D pairings, so let's get to the forwards. Since our offense isn't going right now, I thought we should get back to those two first lines. The Eurotwins together with Abby looks like our best combination all year, and I simply cannot understand why we're not seeing the "Original Kid Line", that worked so well last season, at all this season. Let's put them back together, see Line 2. For the 3rd line, my idea is... 1. If we want to get Weiss to at least contribute (at this point, "live up to his contract" seems delusional to me...), he should play center. That's what he used to play for his whole career and if you want to get him going, don't put him on the wing. 2. Cole + Teemu on the same line could really boost our offense. I like the idea. If this works perfectly, fine. We would need to change some positions when Helm gets back, but at least we would have some value in Weiss. If it doesn't work, no problem - just let Helm center that 3rd line. And we get back our 4th line, which was an absolute plus in this formation, too. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvanpop 98 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) What about... Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Abdelkader Tatar - Sheahan - Nyquist Cole - Weiss - Pulkinnen Miller - Glendening - Jurco Kronwall - Ericcson Quincey - DeKeyser Zidlicky - Smith No need to discuss the D pairings, so let's get to the forwards. Since our offense isn't going right now, I thought we should get back to those two first lines. The Eurotwins together with Abby looks like our best combination all year, and I simply cannot understand why we're not seeing the "Original Kid Line", that worked so well last season, at all this season. Let's put them back together, see Line 2. For the 3rd line, my idea is... 1. If we want to get Weiss to at least contribute (at this point, "live up to his contract" seems delusional to me...), he should play center. That's what he used to play for his whole career and if you want to get him going, don't put him on the wing. 2. Cole + Teemu on the same line could really boost our offense. I like the idea. If this works perfectly, fine. We would need to change some positions when Helm gets back, but at least we would have some value in Weiss. If it doesn't work, no problem - just let Helm center that 3rd line. And we get back our 4th line, which was an absolute plus in this formation, too. Thoughts? Something has to change in the d pairings. They're just not working recently and need a real boost. I've suggested in other thread. Kronwall-DK Quincey-Marcenko Zidlicky-Smith The third pairing seems to be working well so don't need to change it Edited March 14, 2015 by mvanpop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 I get that a lot of people don't want Ericsson on the top pair, but take him out of the line up? Give me a break... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvanpop 98 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 I get that a lot of people don't want Ericsson on the top pair, but take him out of the line up? Give me a break... He might need a break and would allow us to experiment with the two righty lefty pairs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 When Helm gets back I'd like to try Cole-Pav-Helm Gus-Z-Abdelkader Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco Miller-Glendening-Andersson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 Is marchenko good to go? I'd get him in for Quincey for that absolutely abysmal display he put on today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Is marchenko good to go? I'd get him in for Quincey for that absolutely abysmal display he put on today Yeah, I get the whole "good soldier" crap, but if Q needs surgery he should've gotten it. He would've been good to go for the playoffs, it's clear the past few games his mobility is shot with those bone chips. Edited March 14, 2015 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted March 14, 2015 Yeah, I get the whole "good soldier" crap, but if Q needs surgery he should've gotten it. He would've been good to go for the playoffs, it's clear the past few games his mobility is shot with those bone chips. Ya well we need to sit him and play marchenko. I'd run Kronwall- zids DD- big e Smith- marchenko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted March 17, 2015 Datsyuk Vs Lovjoy round 2. 9 jimmyemeryhunter, rick zombo, yztheman and 6 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted March 17, 2015 Datsyuk is a tank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 17, 2015 Datsyuk is a tank #PavelTanksyuk 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted March 17, 2015 I bet we see if Helm is back on Thursday Helm - Datsyuk - Tatar Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Nyquist Cole - Sheahan - Pulkkinen Miller - Glendening - Andersson/Jurco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted March 17, 2015 I bet we see if Helm is back on Thursday Helm - Datsyuk - Tatar Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Nyquist Cole - Sheahan - Pulkkinen Miller - Glendening - Andersson/Jurco So Helm's back and Pulkkinen's playing really well... Do you hear that Mr. Andersson? That's the sound of inevitability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvanpop 98 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 I love how we have serious offensive threats on the first three lines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UpstateNYRedWingsFan 42 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 I bet we see if Helm is back on Thursday Helm - Datsyuk - Tatar Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Nyquist Cole - Sheahan - Pulkkinen Miller - Glendening - Andersson/Jurco Has Nyquist really earned a crack at the second line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Has Nyquist really earned a crack at the second line? He's 4th on the team in points... 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 I hate the way the schedules been set up this season, 3games in 4 nights, and almost a week off is getting annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 When Helm gets back I'd like to try Cole-Pav-Helm Gus-Z-Abdelkader Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco Miller-Glendening-Andersson Jurco is an offensive blackhole, Pulkks>Jurco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Has Nyquist really earned a crack at the second line? Why not? If Tatar is allowed to play with one of the best center and get fed goals, Nyquist should have equal opportunity as well. He's still top 3 in goals on team.. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,492 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Why not? If Tatar is allowed to play with one of the best center and get fed goals, Nyquist should have equal opportunity as well. He's still top 3 in goals on team.. Pavel hasn't been "feeding" Tatar anything. Pav has assisted on 6 of Tatar's goals. The same number that Sheahan has assisted on. And just ahead of Nyquist and Dekeyser, who have each assisted on 5 of his goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Why do you feel the need to argue everything anyone says? It's almost as if you analyze everything that's written here and try to pick out that one word that you can argue... So what if Datsyuk only assisted on 6 of Tatar's goals? Maybe "fed" wasn't the proper word to use, but can you argue that having Datsyuk on his line doesn't open up some space for Tatar, allowing him to score more? Or are you arguing that Nyquist shouldn't be on a line with Zetterberg for that same reason, despite being 3rd on the team in goals? Or are you seriously just arguing that one misuse of the word "fed"?... I'm sure you agree that Tatar should remain on Datsyuk's wing, so why bother researching such stats just to refute what he was saying? The premise of his argument still stands. Datsyuk and Tatar should be locked on a line together, and I believe Zetterberg and Nyquist should be locked on a line together for the same reason; they work really well together. On the other wing you can throw any one of Cole, Abdelkader, Helm, or Jurco and I'd be fine with that. 2 DatsyukianDekes and WingsallTheway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted March 18, 2015 Why do you feel the need to argue everything anyone says? It's almost as if you analyze everything that's written here and try to pick out that one word that you can argue... So what if Datsyuk only assisted on 6 of Tatar's goals? Maybe "fed" wasn't the proper word to use, but can you argue that having Datsyuk on his line doesn't open up some space for Tatar, allowing him to score more? Or are you arguing that Nyquist shouldn't be on a line with Zetterberg for that same reason, despite being 3rd on the team in goals? Or are you seriously just arguing that one misuse of the word "fed"?... I'm sure you agree that Tatar should remain on Datsyuk's wing, so why bother researching such stats just to refute what he was saying? The premise of his argument still stands. Datsyuk and Tatar should be locked on a line together, and I believe Zetterberg and Nyquist should be locked on a line together for the same reason; they work really well together. On the other wing you can throw any one of Cole, Abdelkader, Helm, or Jurco and I'd be fine with that. He just gets seriously butt hurt anytime someone diminishes Tatar's abilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
