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#21 DeGraa55

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:58 PM

Z-dat-abby
Alfie-weiss-franzina
Nyquist-anderson-tatar
Miller-helm-eaves

Emmerton goes in if a center is hurt
Bert fills in for first winger hurt

Kronwall Ericsson
Smith dekeyser
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I think this makes us the most complete we can possibly be. You keep Abby on top line to do his thing. And it gives us three legit scoring lines(still lack of size :().

I like Anderson third and helm 4th A LOT MORE. Anderson will help out more offensively IMO. And with helms back a little less ice time might be good. It also gives you miller And helm all ready together for some PKs as well.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 12:15 AM

All I can say at this point is how awesomely entertaining would Zetterberg Datsyuk Nyquist--------->#Eurotrips #sawitherefirst


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:57 AM

 

 

I know Abby finally started to play well on the top line. But let's be real, he's def not a top line guy. He should be on an energy/grit line. And even though Big Bert has had some injury issues, his chemistry with Pavel far exceeds Abby's. Hope Babcock goes with these lines.

 

I think this is a case of the sum being greater than it's parts.

Homer on his own wasn't a top 6 forward, but what he did as far as net front presence and puck retrieval made that line very good for a number of years.

 

While I think it will take Abby a few seasons ,if ever, to develop a net front presence (some guys never do). His puck retrieval skills are very good, I also think this is why Cleary saw so much time with Dats.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:04 AM

Z-dat-abby
Alfie-weiss-franzina
Nyquist-anderson-tatar
Miller-helm-eaves

Emmerton goes in if a center is hurt
Bert fills in for first winger hurt

Kronwall Ericsson
Smith dekeyser
Kind Quincey

Howard.



I think this makes us the most complete we can possibly be. You keep Abby on top line to do his thing. And it gives us three legit scoring lines(still lack of size :().

I like Anderson third and helm 4th A LOT MORE. Anderson will help out more offensively IMO. And with helms back a little less ice time might be good. It also gives you miller And helm all ready together for some PKs as well.

 

What's that?  Waste space and not score?

 

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:33 AM

All I can say at this point is how awesomely entertaining would Zetterberg Datsyuk Nyquist--------->#Eurotrips #sawitherefirst

 

Nyquist is still too small to produce against top opposition.



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Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:48 PM

 

Nyquist is still too small to produce against top opposition.

 

To be fair, he hasn't demonstrated that he can be a first-line force in the NHL (yet). (Not that it's his "fault," of course.) And I probably would sleep better at night if, in the event that he were placed in the top six, there were at least one big body on his line.

 

All that aside...Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Nyquist = line porn.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:38 PM

All I can say at this point is how awesomely entertaining would Zetterberg Datsyuk Nyquist--------->#

Versus certain matchups you are right, it would be a lot of fun to watch. With other matchups Abby may work better, and other matchups still, Bert or even Mule may be the best option

This roster certainly has its fair share of options.

One option I'd like to see would be Mule Weise Bert. That line had it's moments in the past with Filapoola, like to try it with the new guy.

Not to mention that line could then leave Z D Alf as the other top line.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:54 PM

Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Bertuzzi

Franzen- Weiss- Alfie

Nyquist- Anderson- Tatar

Abby- Helm-Miller/Eaves/Sammy

 

Kronners- Ericsson

Dekeyser- Smith

Kindl- Quincy

 

 

- I think this will make the team as balanced as possible. 

- Bert, as long as he is healthy, is better than Abby on the top line with Pavs and Hank. Bert is a bigger body, and is able to create more space for the Eurotwins. Also, Bert is a very good passer, and can contribute with goals. I think that this can be a very good 1st line if Babs keeps them together given we still have a really good 2nd line.

 

- I really am looking forward to seeing this 2nd line play. It has all the potential to be one of the top 2nd lines in the league, and Alfie is going to be super hungry. I see big things from this line.

 

- In the playoffs, our 3rd line was fantastic and at times was our best line. We are going to essentially replace Brunner with Tatar, which is not a bad thing considering what we know and have seen from Tatar. Anderson developed himself into a solid 3rd line center last year, and Nyquist and Tatar will add a nice element of speed and skill. This will be a fun line to watch and could become one of the better 3rd lines in the league.

 

- Our 4th line will see a HUGE upgrade this season assuming Helm is back and fully healthy. Add Abby who has some grit and knowledge of the game, and Miller/ Eaves, and you have a solid 4th line capable of doing their job well.

 

- Kronners and Ericsson were great last year, no reason to change that. I would like to see Kronners shoot the puck more this season tho.

 

- Danny D was fantastic when he played for us, and Smith could really benefit from having that solid defense presence playing with him... I would like to give this a try. 

 

- Kindl had a a developing year last season with his offense, but still needs to work on his defense. Quincy really settled down after the 10 game mark last year and played a solid season. I think this is a capable 3rd pairing.

 

Overall, I think this is our best group of forwards since 2009 when we were STACKED and I am super excited to watch this season. Come on Oct. 2nd!!



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Posted 07 September 2013 - 07:05 PM

Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Bertuzzi

Franzen- Weiss- Alfie

Nyquist- Anderson- Tatar

Abby- Helm-Miller/Eaves/Sammy

 

Kronners- Ericsson

Dekeyser- Smith

Kindl- Quincy

 

 

- I think this will make the team as balanced as possible. 

- Bert, as long as he is healthy, is better than Abby on the top line with Pavs and Hank. Bert is a bigger body, and is able to create more space for the Eurotwins. Also, Bert is a very good passer, and can contribute with goals. I think that this can be a very good 1st line if Babs keeps them together given we still have a really good 2nd line.

 

- I really am looking forward to seeing this 2nd line play. It has all the potential to be one of the top 2nd lines in the league, and Alfie is going to be super hungry. I see big things from this line.

 

- In the playoffs, our 3rd line was fantastic and at times was our best line. We are going to essentially replace Brunner with Tatar, which is not a bad thing considering what we know and have seen from Tatar. Anderson developed himself into a solid 3rd line center last year, and Nyquist and Tatar will add a nice element of speed and skill. This will be a fun line to watch and could become one of the better 3rd lines in the league.

 

- Our 4th line will see a HUGE upgrade this season assuming Helm is back and fully healthy. Add Abby who has some grit and knowledge of the game, and Miller/ Eaves, and you have a solid 4th line capable of doing their job well.

 

- Kronners and Ericsson were great last year, no reason to change that. I would like to see Kronners shoot the puck more this season tho.

 

- Danny D was fantastic when he played for us, and Smith could really benefit from having that solid defense presence playing with him... I would like to give this a try. 

 

- Kindl had a a developing year last season with his offense, but still needs to work on his defense. Quincy really settled down after the 10 game mark last year and played a solid season. I think this is a capable 3rd pairing.

 

Overall, I think this is our best group of forwards since 2009 when we were STACKED and I am super excited to watch this season. Come on Oct. 2nd!!

 

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:50 PM

Versus certain matchups you are right, it would be a lot of fun to watch. With other matchups Abby may work better, and other matchups still, Bert or even Mule may be the best option

This roster certainly has its fair share of options.

 

 

  I have always loved Dats and Bert as a pair but honestly Big Bert didn't even pop into my mind until earlier today when I read an article on how good he feels, which got me to thinking...Dats Z and Bert would be a dirty line for sure, patient, pretty & proud... 


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 10:22 AM

 

Nyquist is still too small to produce against top opposition.

 

  I agree however Dats was too small for a while too, I see a lot of similarities in Dats and Nyquist so I feel his size will soon come....

 

     ... I still feel Datsyuk Zetterberg Nyquist .is a "secret weapon" line that would 100% bewilder whomever the opposing line happens to be.  


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:09 PM

 

To be fair, he hasn't demonstrated that he can be a first-line force in the NHL (yet). (Not that it's his "fault," of course.) And I probably would sleep better at night if, in the event that he were placed in the top six, there were at least one big body on his line.

 

All that aside...Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Nyquist = line porn.

 

 

 

Sure, if your line porn means three non-physical players on a single line. In case you'd forgotten, Zetterberg and Datsyuk have, when together on a line, seen their greatest success when paired with a physical player who can do the grunt work in the corners and screen the goalie. Holmstrom is an excellent example of this. Brunner is not. Nyquist would not be either.


 

  I agree however Dats was too small for a while too, I see a lot of similarities in Dats and Nyquist so I feel his size will soon come....

 

     ... I still feel Datsyuk Zetterberg Nyquist .is a "secret weapon" line that would 100% bewilder whomever the opposing line happens to be.  

 

It would also be a line lacking in any sort of physicality, anyone to clear space, and anyone to do the dirty work in the crease.



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:28 PM

 

 

 

Sure, if your line porn means three non-physical players on a single line. In case you'd forgotten, Zetterberg and Datsyuk have, when together on a line, seen their greatest success when paired with a physical player who can do the grunt work in the corners and screen the goalie. Holmstrom is an excellent example of this. Brunner is not. Nyquist would not be either.


 

It would also be a line lacking in any sort of physicality, anyone to clear space, and anyone to do the dirty work in the crease.

Abdelkader is not Holmstrom first. Second, Holmstrom wasn't some physical dynamo, a lot of his career he was known for falling at the slightest touch by anyone. 


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:50 PM

 

 

 

Sure, if your line porn means three non-physical players on a single line. In case you'd forgotten, Zetterberg and Datsyuk have, when together on a line, seen their greatest success when paired with a physical player who can do the grunt work in the corners and screen the goalie. Holmstrom is an excellent example of this. Brunner is not. Nyquist would not be either.


 

It would also be a line lacking in any sort of physicality, anyone to clear space, and anyone to do the dirty work in the crease.

 

Crosby plays with Kunitz and Dupuis. There is no physicality with that line either but yet they still produce.



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:18 PM

 

Sure, if your line porn means three non-physical players on a single line. In case you'd forgotten, Zetterberg and Datsyuk have, when together on a line, seen their greatest success when paired with a physical player who can do the grunt work in the corners and screen the goalie. Holmstrom is an excellent example of this. Brunner is not. Nyquist would not be either.

 

Interesting. I'd assumed you were in favor of putting Nyquist with Z and D. I'm not (hence "To be fair...") I thought you were against the whole grit element thing?


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:26 PM

Holmstrom wasn't some physical dynamo, a lot of his career he was known for falling at the slightest touch by anyone. 

 

He was, at least, strong on his skates - when he wanted to be. Which is to say...how may of those falls were actual falls?


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 02:19 PM

Abdelkader is not Holmstrom first. Second, Holmstrom wasn't some physical dynamo, a lot of his career he was known for falling at the slightest touch by anyone. 

 

Holmstrom was tough and gritty. He battled in the corners and in front of the net.

 

I agree that Abdelkader is not Holmstrom, but he's a damned sight more formidable than Nyquist. And, as noted, Zetterberg and Datsyuk have rarely performed well with a small finesse player. The two of them have together spent most of their careers playing with either Shanahan, Hull, or Holmstrom, none of whom were easily pushed around.



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Posted 08 September 2013 - 02:23 PM

Basically, Crymson, I agree, pretty much completely. (Though I will say: Nyquist's wheels might make things interesting).

 

Ideally, Z and D have a Holmstrom, or a big bad body, to work with. Unfortuately, Holmstrom was very much one-of-a-kind, and we don't really have that crease-crashing power-forward either. I guess Bertuzzi makes the most sense, though I have serious doubts about his ability to own that spot for 82+ games. I do like the guy a lot, though, and want to see him succeed. So, howzabout...

 

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Zetterberg  Datsyuk  Bertuzzi

Franzen  Weiss  Alfredsson

Nyquist  Andersson  Tatar

Miller  Emmerton  Abdelkader


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:06 PM

A few points.

1. I'd like to see 3 strong scoring lines with 1 shut down line.

2. Sammy is probably going to play whether people like it or not.

3. Strongest players should play center if available. Just because you center the 3rd line doesn't mean you're getting third line minutes.

4. How can you not start out with some kind of form of a Swedish 5 with Olympics upcoming?

 

 

Nyquist   Zetterberg   Alfredsson

 

Franzen   Datsyuk   Bertuzzi

 

Tatar   Weiss   Samuelsson

 

Abdelkader   Helm/Andersson   Tootoo/Miller

 

 

 

Kronwall   Ericsson

 

Kindl   Dekeyser

 

Smith   Quincey


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:24 PM

If it were up to me, I'd probably split Z and D. I was trying to go for something "realistic" for the first few games (if not more). Lemme think on a different look, with Z and D split up.


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