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#601 wingsfan4795

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:07 PM

I think that had to do more with him being injured though then just being bad. I could be wrong but IF he is healthy I think he is number 2 no matter what.

It's probably worth noting that legwand was demoted to the fourth line due to poor performance. I don't see why Babcock wouldn't demote Weiss if he doesn't play well as the 2C

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:13 PM

I think that had to do more with him being injured though then just being bad. I could be wrong but IF he is healthy I think he is number 2 no matter what.

I also think Abby would be fine in the top 6. He haut needs to go to homer school. Learn how to deflect and handle the luck better in front of net.


And me wanting helm on the fourth isn't so much with his ability cause I agree he is a great defensive center and has lot so speed. It's more so of him being injury prone. If he can play 8 mins a night or whatever the fourth line gets maybe he can stay healthier by playing less.

 

 

Zetterberg will slot in as #2 if Weiss can't perform.

 

Homer school let out 2 years ago. Abdelkader is who he is. A good 3rd line checker.

 

Would you play Zetterberg on the 3rd line bc he has had injury problems? Weiss has had injury problems, yet you slot him into the #2 no matter what. Why is Helm for some reason a special case where he can only play 8 minutes a night?


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:19 AM

 
 
Zetterberg will slot in as #2 if Weiss can't perform.
 
Homer school let out 2 years ago. Abdelkader is who he is. A good 3rd line checker.
 
Would you play Zetterberg on the 3rd line bc he has had injury problems? Weiss has had injury problems, yet you slot him into the #2 no matter what. Why is Helm for some reason a special case where he can only play 8 minutes a night?


Except the difference is z is one of the best players on the team helm isn't. He is a 3rd or 4th liner.

My thought on Weiss is what I think the wings will do. To me he is still in the injury prone group so we will see how much he will play.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 06:31 AM

With Alfredsson...

 

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Nyquist - Franzen - Tatar

Helm - Weiss - Sheahan

Miller - Glendening - Abdelkader

Cleary - Callahan

 

That top line may be up there in age, but when healthy (and I expect a much healthier year out of all three) they would be extremely effective.

 

I actually love Franzen playing center, that along with playing with two balls of energy is exactly what could get this old mule going. (Two Kids and a Mule Line?...)

 

I realize having Weiss on the third line isn't exactly ideal, however, I do think this could possibly be one of the best third lines in the league...

 

I really want Callahan to get action on the forth line, but who comes out? Glendening? And slot Abby in at center? Or move one of the three centers on the third line (Sheahan) down and move Abby up?...

 

Without Alfredsson...

 

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Franzen

Nyquist - Weiss - Tatar

Helm - Sheahan - Abdelkader

Miller - Glendening - Cleary

Callahan - Andersson

 

I don't like these lines nearly as much as the ones with Alfie on the team, but still not terrible. I still think it is very likely that Alfredsson comes back for one more season.

 

Before anyone says it, no Jurco, Mantha, or Pulkkinen are not on my opening night roster. They are down where they should be, in the minors, getting huge minutes, playing in all situations, gaining experience and confidence before they make the Wings full time. Whether that's in November or to start the 2015-16 season depends on injuries and how well they do down in Grand Rapids...

 

On Defense...

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Smith

Quincey - Kindl

Lashoff

 

I still really like Kronwall and Ericsson paired together. I think they complement each other quite well. Same goes for DeKeyser and Smith.

 

There are so many people swapping those pairs to have Kronwall - Smith and DeKeyser and Ericsson and I just don't get that. Why pair your two best offensive defensemen and your two best defensive defensemen? Why not balance them out with one of each?...

 

If there is any way to trade Kindl away for a mid to late round draft pick, we do it and let one of the kids play on the third pairing.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 09:33 AM

Z-Pav-Gus (Euro Triplets? Z-pav is an amazing duo and Z-gus was also)
Franzen-Weiss-Tatar (Remember when Mule and Tats played together last year? It was good.
Alfie-Sheahan-Jurco (2 kids and a goat v2.0)
Miller-Helm-Abdelkader (because it might be the best shut down line we can make)

Kronner-E
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Smith-Marchenko/Backman (Hopefully Backman. I see Marchenko topping out at poor mans Brad Stuart and Backman topping out a little worse than Kronner is now.)

The D pairings were hard. Our D sucks.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:26 AM

Checking is something a player need to learn too and especially the Wings could use a forward with some grit. Mantha got the tools so yeah if he doesn't make the top 6, let him try a bottom 6 role and then send him down after 9 games.there is really no harm in that.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:21 AM

I think Z-D-Alfie could be huge if they're healthy.

The two kids and a mule line idea intrigues me, and it could actually spark Franzen.

Kr, I get your point about pairing Ericsson with Kronwall and Smith with DeKeyser makes sense, and eventually I'd go that way as well, but I really liked the chemistry Smith was showing with Kronwall towards the end of last season, and having a vet with DeKeyser in case of a sophomore slump makes sense to me to at least start the season. On the plus side, I think the top four of Kronwall, Ericsson, Smith, and DeKeyser would work well in any combo, and we may see that on the PP.
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Posted 18 August 2014 - 01:20 PM

Checking is something a player need to learn too and especially the Wings could use a forward with some grit. Mantha got the tools so yeah if he doesn't make the top 6, let him try a bottom 6 role and then send him down after 9 games.there is really no harm in that.

 

I cringe at every lineup you guys are posting, because of how obviously soft this team looks on paper.  Other than Sheahan or Abby, this team has very little grit at forward.  Glenfiddich is gritty, but not sure how much he'll play this season.  

 

I understand that we're not the 1987 Flyers, but we need to be a little tougher to play against physically.  That whole "team speed" garbage didn't help us against Boston last year.  And yeah, Boston is bigger than we could ever be, but that didn't help them against Montreal much.  


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 01:36 PM

 

I cringe at every lineup you guys are posting, because of how obviously soft this team looks on paper.  Other than Sheahan or Abby, this team has very little grit at forward.  Glenfiddich is gritty, but not sure how much he'll play this season.  

 

I understand that we're not the 1987 Flyers, but we need to be a little tougher to play against physically.  That whole "team speed" garbage didn't help us against Boston last year.  And yeah, Boston is bigger than we could ever be, but that didn't help them against Montreal much.  

 

That's why I've said you need a top 6 bottom 6 approach with the third line being the kid line the fourth line (ideally), should be the one from hell, kicking ass if it needs. But that being said I just don't see it happening the team will for sure be one of the softest again, last in FMs ( again ) but Mantha has the size to do some checking so why not let him learn that too.

 

My personal preference would be to go slowly with the kid, don't rush him and let him develop at his own pace maybe work out with McKee.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 01:49 PM

 

That's why I've said you need a top 6 bottom 6 approach with the third line being the kid line the fourth line (ideally), should be the one from hell, kicking ass if it needs. But that being said I just don't see it happening the team will for sure be one of the softest again, last in FMs ( again ) but Mantha has the size to do some checking so why not let him learn that too.

 

My personal preference would be to go slowly with the kid, don't rush him and let him develop at his own pace maybe work out with McKee.

 

You seem to think that having a 4th line of enforcers makes you a "tough team".  I can assure you it doesn't.

 

Boston is considered tough because their best players either are very physical or play with an edge. (Chara, Lucic, Bergeron, Marchand)

 

Nobody's talking about Boston being any weaker since they lost Thornton.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:09 PM

 

You seem to think that having a 4th line of enforcers makes you a "tough team".  I can assure you it doesn't.

 

Boston is considered tough because their best players either are very physical or play with an edge. (Chara, Lucic, Bergeron, Marchand)

 

Nobody's talking about Boston being any weaker since they lost Thornton.

 

Are we physical?  I don't think so.  Do we play with an edge?  Not really.  

 

We need some guys that are tough and unpleasant to play against in a 7 game series.  Yeah, it's nice to have fast Euros who have nice hands, but you need something else as well for balance.    

 

If someone thinks Sheahan, Tatar and Abby can provide all the grit and unpleasantness that we need in a 7 game series, then I guess their opinion differs from mine.  


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:13 PM

 

Are we physical?  I don't think so.  Do we play with an edge?  Not really.  

 

We need some guys that are tough and unpleasant to play against in a 7 game series.  Yeah, it's nice to have fast Euros who have nice hands, but you need something else as well for balance.    

 

If someone thinks Sheahan, Tatar and Abby can provide all the grit and unpleasantness that we need in a 7 game series, then I guess their opinion differs from mine.  

 

I completely agree but we need those guys in the top 6/9 not the on 4th line playing 6min a night.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:19 PM

Well we have Bertuzzi, Callahan, and McKee on the way. Though I wouldn't a few more grinders than just just those 3.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:23 PM

Well we have Bertuzzi, Callahan, and McKee on the way. Though I wouldn't a few more grinders than just just those 3.


Why does it seem like everyone here thinks McKee is going to make it? Have any of you watched him play? He's brutally bad right now.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:29 PM

Why does it seem like everyone here thinks McKee is going to make it? Have any of you watched him play? He's brutally bad right now.

 

I don't think he will. He's just really the only true enforcing type we have.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:31 PM

Why does it seem like everyone here thinks McKee is going to make it? Have any of you watched him play? He's brutally bad right now.

 

McKee is overly impressive at the job we've drafted him fore and he will only get better at it, so that's more than good enough for me. McIlrath, Bordelaux, Gazdic and McKee will be the new blood in terms of young enforcers :-)

 


Well we have Bertuzzi, Callahan, and McKee on the way. Though I wouldn't a few more grinders than just just those 3.

 

Bertuzzi seems like an agitator and a good one at that can't wait to see him making the lineup. Other teams will for sure hate him just hope he doesn't turn into a complete rat like Marchand.

 


Boston is considered tough because their best players either are very physical or play with an edge. (Chara, Lucic, Bergeron, Marchand)

 

Nobody's talking about Boston being any weaker since they lost Thornton.

 

Boston lost way more than just toughness in Thornton. Bergeron, Lucic and him were the top jersey sellers, guy brings honesty, leadership and is absolutely loved in that city. Watch Marchand playing a cleaner game now because sure as hell Lucic won't fight all the battles for him neither will Chara.

 

I think a guy like Luke Schenn would be great, plays a steady defensive game and hits like a truck everything that moves


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:33 PM

 

McKee is overly impressive at the job we've drafted him fore and he will only get better at it, so that's more than good enough for me. McIlrath, Bordelaux, Gazdic and McKee will be the new blood in terms of young enforcers :-)

 

 

 

Bertuzzi seems like an agitator and a good one at that can't wait to see him making the lineup. Other teams will for sure hate him just hope he doesn't turn into a complete rat like Marchand.

 

 

 

Boston lost way more than just toughness in Thornton. Bergeron, Lucic and him were the top jersey sellers, guy brings honesty, leadership and is absolutely loved in that city. Watch Marchand playing a cleaner game now because sure as hell Lucic won't fight all the battles for him neither will Chara.

 

I think a guy like Luke Schenn would be great, plays a steady defensive game and hits like a truck everything that moves

 

You do know L. Schenn is a whipping boy in Philly right?



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:36 PM

 

You do know L. Schenn is a whipping boy in Philly right?

 

Well if they don't have a good season every player there is a whipping boy except for Claude Giroux so I'm not surprised.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 05:05 PM

Luke Schenn makes pylons look quick.


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

This is what I see facing Boston for Game 1

 

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Weiss-Franzen

Tatar-Sheahan-Alfredsson

Miller-Helm-Cleary

Glendening/Andersson

 

Kronwall-Ericsson

DeKeyser-Quincey

Smith-Kindl/Lashoff/Marchenko

 

Pretty, eh.


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