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#621 wings87

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 12:49 AM

Is there anywhere at all to check out highlights of the Olympic Games??


Try nbcolympics.com

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 01:53 AM

While Russia has never been a powerhouse in any of these sports, my point is that with the influx of cash by the Russian government into the various sports programs, ( not to mention flat out buying athletes as is the case with the former South Korean short track star Victor Ahn) Russia and the US will be going head to head in more sports in the years to come. As far as figure skating goes even though Russia rarely wins anything other then man's or pair's medals they still believe that figure skating is their sport. Which is evidenced by a lot of the top coaches coming from former Soviet Republics.

In general the Russia Canada rivalry is bigger, but I believe it's a little divided.
Where as the older generation that remembers the Soviet and Canadian battles will always have a hatred toward Canada. The younger generation that doesn't quite have the same connection to the super series might see the US as a bigger rival. Also taking into account that not counting the 1980 miracle team the US team is somewhat of a newcomer to the rivalry but if games like today continue- US vs Russia might be on the way to surpassing Russia vs Canada. Of course I'm just guessing but that's what I believe.

 

Nobody is saying that the US can't become a rival to Russia in sports or in hockey specifically. Just that right now there really isn't much of a rivalry to speak of.

 

Today was the first time in Olympic history that the US has ever beaten Russia outside of North America. Russia historically has had their way with the US while their games with Canada have been far more competitive.

 

Basically its like you arguing that the Nashville Predators are/were bigger rivals to the Wings than the Chicago Blackhawks.

 

It has a lot to do with the Summit Series, but its not just an older generation thing, I wasn't born when the Summit Series happened, and Canada has had many more big games vs the US recently but if you asked me who Canada's biggest rival in hockey is, its unquestionably Russia.

 

Its more due to the fact that historically they are head and shoulders the best two hockey nations in the world. The US are on the right track though and their development of players is probably the best in the world right now, I'm not sure they'll ever surpass either as a rival but if they keep progressing like they are they could, and will certainly make a stronger case by winning a best on best tournament.


Is there anywhere at all to check out highlights of the Olympic Games??

 

You're probably best to try to get them on TV.

 

CBC and NBC aren't producing highlight packages for the Web because they both have the full game available for viewing.

 

I haven't seen NBC's format, but with CBC's you can use the timeline on the bottom to skip to goals, penalties and other flagged moments throughout the game.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:57 AM

 

Nobody is saying that the US can't become a rival to Russia in sports or in hockey specifically. Just that right now there really isn't much of a rivalry to speak of.

 

Today was the first time in Olympic history that the US has ever beaten Russia outside of North America. Russia historically has had their way with the US while their games with Canada have been far more competitive.

 

Basically its like you arguing that the Nashville Predators are/were bigger rivals to the Wings than the Chicago Blackhawks.

 

It has a lot to do with the Summit Series, but its not just an older generation thing, I wasn't born when the Summit Series happened, and Canada has had many more big games vs the US recently but if you asked me who Canada's biggest rival in hockey is, its unquestionably Russia.

 

Its more due to the fact that historically they are head and shoulders the best two hockey nations in the world. The US are on the right track though and their development of players is probably the best in the world right now, I'm not sure they'll ever surpass either as a rival but if they keep progressing like they are they could, and will certainly make a stronger case by winning a best on best tournament.


 

You're probably best to try to get them on TV.

 

CBC and NBC aren't producing highlight packages for the Web because they both have the full game available for viewing.

 

I haven't seen NBC's format, but with CBC's you can use the timeline on the bottom to skip to goals, penalties and other flagged moments throughout the game.

 

Let's say it like this, whether we agree US is a bigger rival to Russia or not, today's game was a big blow to Russia. Losing to the US in any format is unacceptable to their country, evidenced by the fact that Putin showed up. We are getting to the point where the Russia, Canada rivalry is more like the Wings, Toronto rivalry: Both teams want to beat the other badly but don't have the same intensity it once did, but due to the long history will always be big rivals like the Wings and Toronto.

 

I would compare the USA and Russia rivalry more to the Penguins and Wings rivalry: Its a newer rivalry with a shorter history but with plenty of sub-plots and intrigue.

 

But really what's stopping the US and Russian rivalry from becoming insane is the fact that the US team or the fans don't have any hate towards the Russian team, but Russian fans have plenty of Hate for the US. So right now it's a little one-sided but that doesn't diminish it's importance. 


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 03:50 AM

Throughly enjoyed the game tonight, great game by Quick, as a part time goalie, I really appreciate his style. Really dislike the Russians so yesterday was especially good for me. If I had to pick a USA olympian to be on the wings it would come down to Kesler or Backes, prob lean towards Kesler. Anyway enjoying the Austrian Norway game especially because its going my way bettingwise.

Miller in net today gives Quick the day off, I can see some lethargy from USA to start but I think they steamroll Kopitar and co.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 04:22 AM

 

Let's say it like this, whether we agree US is a bigger rival to Russia or not, today's game was a big blow to Russia. Losing to the US in any format is unacceptable to their country, evidenced by the fact that Putin showed up. We are getting to the point where the Russia, Canada rivalry is more like the Wings, Toronto rivalry: Both teams want to beat the other badly but don't have the same intensity it once did, but due to the long history will always be big rivals like the Wings and Toronto.

 

I would compare the USA and Russia rivalry more to the Penguins and Wings rivalry: Its a newer rivalry with a shorter history but with plenty of sub-plots and intrigue.

 

But really what's stopping the US and Russian rivalry from becoming insane is the fact that the US team or the fans don't have any hate towards the Russian team, but Russian fans have plenty of Hate for the US. So right now it's a little one-sided but that doesn't diminish it's importance. 

 

Losing today to the US wasn't much of a blow to Russia at all. It was a round robin game that mattered only in regards to seeding. Putin attended the game because it was the only game of any consequence in Russia's pool. He'll likely be at all their medal round games and I'd be shocked if he wasn't there for the gold medal game if Russia makes it there.

In terms of dislike for a country you are absolutely right about Russian's feelings about the USA, but if you asked them which hockey team they hated more the US or Canada, Russian fans would vote overwhelmingly Canada as would their players. Even the US players would almost certainly say Canada is their biggest rival. 

 

You're also right that Russia and Canada's rivalry has been somewhat dormant for a while and the comparison to the Leafs is a good one, but the Wings and Leafs are far bigger rivals than the Wings and Penguins are, and Russia USA isn't even on that level since they've never met in a championship game before. Historically speaking there are several bigger rivalries in international hockey than US vs Russia. I doubt it would make the top 5. 

 

If you're looking for more recent Olympic rivals for the 3 teams, you'd still have trouble making a case either Canada or USA has had much of a rivalry with Russia. Both have faced them just once in an elimination game with both winning, US 3-2 in Salt Lake City, and Canada 7-3 in Vancouver. In the 4 NHL Olympics Russia's biggest rival would probably be the Czech Republic who they've faced 3 times in elimination games including 2 medal games or Finland who they've faced in elimination games twice. As far as Canada and USA are concerned their biggest recent rivals are each other considering their 2 gold medal games.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 05:43 AM

With Austria beating Norway the bottom of the standings are starting to become clearer.

 

  • Slovakia will finish 12th if they lose to Russia by more than 1 goal. The only other team who could finish here is Norway.
  • Norway will finish 11th unless Slovakia beats Russia, forces overtime with Russia or loses by only 1 goal and scores at least 1 goal of their own. In that case they'd finish 12th
  • Latvia will finish 10th unless Slovakia forces overtime, in which case they'll finish in 11th and Slovakia would finish 10th
  • Austria will finish 9th unless Slovenia loses to the US by 7 or more goals.
  • Slovenia will finish 8th unless they lose by more than 7 goals to fall to 9th. If they win vs the US they have a few potential seedings. 3rd if Russia also lost, 5th if Russia wins, or 6th if they win in overtime. Just forcing OT would move them up to 7th.
  • Czech Republic will finish 7th unless Slovenia wins or forces OT vs the US, in which case they'd be 8th
  • Sweden will finish 1st if Canada vs Finland goes to OT, otherwise they'll be 2nd
  • USA can finish as low as 7th if they lose to Slovenia in regulation. They'll likely finish 2nd or 3rd depending on Canada vs Finland. If that game goes to OT there's a very good chance the US will finish 2nd. A Canada win in OT would only require the US to win by 2 over Slovenia to take 2nd. If Finland were to win in OT, the US would need to win by 4 goals vs Slovenia, or win by 3 goals but score 4 more goals than Finland gets vs Canada today to move up.
  • Russia could take 3rd if Slovenia beats USA and they win their game. They could potentially finish as low as 7th should both they and the US lose their final game.
  • Switzerland will need huge blowout between Finland and Canada or for both the US and Russia to lose their final game to move up from 5th spot. Should Russia and the US both win they will fall to 6th
  • Finland will finish 1st with a win over Canada in regulation, an overtime win would put them in 2nd or 3rd depending on the US vs Slovenia game and goal differential between themselves and USA. An OT loss would drop them to 4th unless Russia beat Slovakia by 7 or more goals. Losing in regulation combined with a Russia win would put them in 5th.
  • Canada is in the exact same spot as Finland, except in their case an OT loss would require Russia to beat Slovakia by 5 or more goals.

Edited by FlashyG, 16 February 2014 - 07:02 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 06:13 AM

I don't see any reason why the USA can't defeat Slovenia. it is hockey after all, so who knows but I anticipate a decisive victory.

 

As much as I love the Wings and the fact that they are primarily on the Swedish roster, the patriot in me can't help but pull for the United States in this competition. 

 

It's been a great tournament so far, looking forward to seeing how it develops. 


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 06:14 AM

I know they would not've called Quick. A man can wish though :)

And you can have Radulov. Take him off our hands. PLEASE.

 

Personally I really have to thank you, I'm now a big fan of Curling especially the Russian curling team too *g*

 

Wondering if Radulov will get benched guy cost Russia the game. If he does that in the semi finals...wow.

 

Gotta feel bad for Norway, generation change is coming and they don't have a lot of prospects thanks to too many foreigners playing in the norwegian league, so young players aren't getting a fair chance nor enough icetime. Whats funny to me is, how everyone thought Vanek would be the big star on team Austria so far it's been Grabner. For Canada I'd give it to Doughty/Benn they are playing marvelous.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 07:45 AM

Love, love, love these USA jerseys!



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:08 AM

Pasha's playing very good so far,but Slovaks pick it up defensively at last.It's a joy to watch Hossa and Tatar on the same playing good 2 way game :)



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:23 AM

Pasha's playing very good so far,but Slovaks pick it up defensively at last.It's a joy to watch Hossa and Tatar on the same playing good 2 way game :)

 

What?  Tatar...playing defense?  Everybody knows that Tatar can't play defense.  Just ask Babs.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:37 AM

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:42 AM

Some pretty boring games so far...

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:43 AM

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:55 AM

Check out ESPN's live cast of the Russia v Slovakia game.  THEY THINK IT'S BASKETBALL!!

 

http://scores.espn.g...ast?gameId=1188


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:56 AM

Come on Slovakia beat those Russians and pave the way for a Russia USA quarter final rematch!



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:00 AM

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This picture rules so much.  It would only be better if there were a wolf howling at the moon in the background. 


Check out ESPN's live cast of the Russia v Slovakia game.  THEY THINK IT'S BASKETBALL!!

 

http://scores.espn.g...ast?gameId=1188

 

They wish it was basketball.  At least then they'd be able to talk about it.  Not talk about it intelligently, but talk about it nevertheless.  I can almost hear it now, Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless arguing up a blue streak about whether or not Jimmy Howard or Jan Mursak is the next Michael Jordan.  Cutting edge sports journalism at it's finest eh boys?


Edited by kipwinger, 16 February 2014 - 08:57 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:03 AM

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:09 AM

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I'm starting to suspect that there's no love lost between the Eastern European teams and Russia.  It's almost like they've got a history or something.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:14 AM

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