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#41 roboturner

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:30 PM

I think this is a bad move. Doesn't anybody remember the last Olympics??

 

USA vs Canada Gold Medal game goes to overtime, the game got huge ratings and that undoubtedly got more people interested in the game of Hockey/NHL.

 

I mean you get 2 weeks of huge advertising for your sport, while losing no regularly scheduled games, and the owners are going to complain about this?? Are they f***ing kiding me?

 

(oh but if THEY shut down the league with NO games being played, they lose fans, they become a joke of a sport; thats all GREAT for the game of Hockey hey??)


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:58 PM

USA vs Canada Gold Medal game goes to overtime, the game got huge ratings and that undoubtedly got more people interested in the game of Hockey/NHL.

 

I mean you get 2 weeks of huge advertising for your sport, while losing no regularly scheduled games, and the owners are going to complain about this?? Are they f***ing kiding me

 

Well, that's the argument, I'm just not sure it really works.  Who is watching these games?  Non fans that all of a sudden start watching the NHL?  Or is it already existing NHL fans?  There is also a big difference between games in Vancouver and games in Sochi or other parts of the world.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:59 PM

No "All-Star" game will ever have the same impact on Hockey that the 1980 Olympics.  I don't care about the game that went into overtime last time.  It was just an all star game.  It no affect on the fans in the USA, which is where the TV revenue comes from, so there is where you want to ratings and the fan interest in order to grow your sport.  Think about the NHL before 1980 in the states, then think about where it has come since then in the States.  Hockey has ALWAYS been near the top of the list in countries around the globe like Russia, Sweden, Czech and Finland.  It will always be tops in Canada no matter what.  If you want your sport to grow again by leaps and bounds again in the States, where I will mention again because it is very important to my point, where the TV revenue is, you have to have miracle type stories.  Around the world the USA is known for MLB, NFL and NBA, then the NHL and hockey in general falls way down the list right now.  Sure, current NHL fans will watch the "pros" play in the Olympics, and enjoy the tourney, but they will also watch a regular all star game and enjoy it, but you want to attract MORE than just the NHL fans.  You want to attract fans in Alabama who do have a college hockey team, but when it comes to the NHL, they don't know too much. But put our College kids against the CHL, SEL, etc... and now we have more interest from all over the states.  It still may not get you a franchise in Alabama, but if a kid out of UAH has a pretty good college career and but shines in the Olympic tourney and perhaps earns himself a draft by an NHL team, you now have a few more fans in that state who might turn on ESPN to watch their hometown kid skate for the Canadiens... right now, you can be guaranteed that Olympic fans in Alabama or Mississippi are not going to watch the Ice Hockey tournament just because NHL players are there, but if they have a kid from UAH there, that maybe wouldn't normally have a shot at the Olympics, you can be sure they will tune in...although looking at UAH's roster, there isn't any kids from Alabama on it, but that could change with the Olympics selecting College kids because maybe a young boy sees a UAH player going to the Olympics it may intrigue him to start playing.  Right now that young boy just strives to play football and having the NHL players over there won't change that and it won't turn on the TV's in non-NHL cities...

 

1980 was to USA hockey is what the Beatles were to Rock N Roll...it's time to go back to investing in our kids to promote this sport, not a bunch of well (some over) paid athletes...


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:32 PM

I think this is a bad move. Doesn't anybody remember the last Olympics??

 

USA vs Canada Gold Medal game goes to overtime, the game got huge ratings and that undoubtedly got more people interested in the game of Hockey/NHL.

 

I mean you get 2 weeks of huge advertising for your sport, while losing no regularly scheduled games, and the owners are going to complain about this?? Are they f***ing kiding me?

 

(oh but if THEY shut down the league with NO games being played, they lose fans, they become a joke of a sport; thats all GREAT for the game of Hockey hey??)

 

Or Datsyuk and and Kronwall collide at center ice and both get hurt and are out for the regular season.  Kiss the playoffs goodbye Wings fans.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:37 PM

Obviously being in Vancouver helped but after the Gold medal game I had a lot of non-hockey fans talking to me about the game because they knew I was a fan.

And frankly the Olympic size rinks and lack of fighting probably helps appeal to a broader audience too.

Or Datsyuk and and Kronwall collide at center ice and both get hurt and are out for the regular season.  Kiss the playoffs goodbye Wings fans.


True. But it's always about weighing the interests of the league overall against individual owners and franchises. There's the risk of injured players weighed against potentially good promotion for the league.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:50 PM

IMO, the NHL was more popular before 1998 than it is now...I understand the idea of promoting the NHL by putting the NHL players in the tourney, but as stated the sport of hockey is popular enough around the world that it doesn't change anything.  Now, when the winter Olympics come back to the states, maybe having NHL players in the games would promote the sport more, like 2002.

 

It is still my opinion that having un-signed drafted players and other U20 kids promotes the sport more in the States than having an All-Star game that mostly gets watched in NHL cities anyhow...

 

...if you want to have tournaments to promote the NHL, go back to having super-series' and Canada Cup's et al...over the summer.  Sponsored by the NHL, paid for by the NHL and starring NHL players. 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:11 PM

South Korea is an advanced nation with a high quality of life. What, exactly, Is the issue with the Olympics being held there?

And the time zone thing is just silly.
The rest of the world can't host because Westerners might have the scores spoiled?

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:19 PM

I like it as a Wings fan. But as a Canadian hockey fan it'll suck a bit, if it's not the best of the best playing I honestly wouldn't watch. Especially because that season the NHL won't go to break. I think for sure the NHL will run into problems with players wanting to represent their countries, gonna be interesting.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 04:33 PM

Well, that's the argument, I'm just not sure it really works.  Who is watching these games?  Non fans that all of a sudden start watching the NHL?  Or is it already existing NHL fans?  There is also a big difference between games in Vancouver and games in Sochi or other parts of the world.

Who is watching these games?? A bunch of people who otherwise wouldn't be watching Hockey.

 

Who is watching Olympic Bobsledding or Speed Skating or Curling or any Olympic Sport? Probably not a whole lot of people that follow those sports outside of the Olympics. This is their chance to get fresh eyeballs on their sport and plant the seed in people's mind that this might be something they would enjoy seeing more of.

 

 

Or Datsyuk and and Kronwall collide at center ice and both get hurt and are out for the regular season.  Kiss the playoffs goodbye Wings fans.

Or what happens if they both play great, get a confidence boost coming back to the Wings, go on a tear and win the Stanley Cup.

 

I mean any player could get in a car accident on their way to the arena everyday, but would you want to physically stop them from getting to the games just in case something happens? Should they all be required to live in a building attached to the rink so that cant happen?

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:46 PM

I'm all for not participating in the Olympics, but part of me thinks this is going to be used as a bargaining chip on the part of the NHL.  They could probably get some pretty big concessions from the NHLPA.

 

That would be one possible hypothesis, if the current CBA didn't run through the next two Winter Olympics after Sochi.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:50 PM

That would be one possible hypothesis, if the current CBA didn't run through the next two Winter Olympics after Sochi.


There's an opt out after 8 years so potentially it only covers the next Olympics after Sochi.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:08 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's just pure greed by multi billionaires. Boohoo we have to shut down the league for two weeks, how are we going to survive? Well these are the same guys who have no problems locking the players out for years and month and now they are crying over a span of 2 weeks, thats really ridiculous. If these guys are really in for the big money, how about giving Canada more teams and relocate some of the not working franchises ?

 

The consequences of this will be simple, european players are going to sign 1 year contracts in the NLA, SEL and other top leagues before the olympics and will play their if they want to. Russians will just go to the KHL for a year, the only ones really screwed by this are NA players.

 

The Olympics are the biggest international stage of hockey, nothing tops it the ratings for Canada - USA, Finland - Sweden, Russia - Canada will always be huge and it's really nice to see the best players of the best countries going at it. Team Canada has an aav of 160million annually we are never going to see such a team in the NHL; so it's nice to watch allstars playing together in the winter olympics.


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:11 PM

There's an opt out after 8 years so potentially it only covers the next Olympics after Sochi.

 

Still disproves the CBA bargaining chip theory (as much as I believe Bettman would do that).


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:16 PM

 

Still disproves the CBA bargaining chip theory (as much as I believe Bettman would do that).

 

The NBA commissioner will be retiring soon, so maybe he goes back to a sport that's more suited for him and his believes...one can pray right? *g*


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:30 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's just pure greed by multi billionaires. Boohoo we have to shut down the league for two weeks, how are we going to survive? Well these are the same guys who have no problems locking the players out for years and month and now they are crying over a span of 2 weeks, thats really ridiculous. If these guys are really in for the big money, how about giving Canada more teams and relocate some of the not working franchises ?

 

Still arguing a fallacy. Boohoo, the NHL plays 82 games in a non-Olympic year. Boohoo, the NHL plays 82 games in an Olympic year. Now get out your calculator. See any difference between the two numbers?

 

If anything, the Olympic break keeps NHL fans talking about the sport for an extra two weeks. It extends the season. That's a win for the "pure greed" of the "multi billionaires."

 

Just because the facts don't fit your envious world view doesn't make them untrue.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:58 PM

I'll tell you what, since money is no object to the fans, and they think the owners shouldn't complain about money, will you be willing to pay say $49.95 PPV to watch Olympic Hockey?  Or is it different if the money is coming out of your pocket?  How about if the players have to pony up a million of their own salary to go?  Will they still feel as strongly about going?

 

Anyone watching Pavel Datsyuk the past two games can tell he's clearly not recovered from his knee injury. He is only skating to "get conditioning" for Sochi.   So if he injuries it further in Sochi and misses extended time after returning, fans are okay with that? The Wings are holding on to the final playoff spot.  A healthy Pavel Datsyuk would surely make a difference and could mean a playoff run or not.  We likely lost Franzen for an extended time because he, too wanted to be ready for the Olympics after feeling good for only a couple of days.  Steven Stamkos had all but declared himself ready to play, and probably would have, but the medical staff said no way.  

 

Either bring back the World Cup of  Hockey or move hockey to the Summer Olympics.  

 

The risk is all on the owners.  If a player gets injured in the Olympics, the player still gets paid.  



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

I'll tell you what, since money is no object to the fans, and they think the owners shouldn't complain about money, will you be willing to pay say $49.95 PPV to watch Olympic Hockey?  Or is it different if the money is coming out of your pocket?  How about if the players have to pony up a million of their own salary to go?  Will they still feel as strongly about going?

 

I agree with your injury theory, but how does the Olympics cost the owners money?


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:04 PM

From being around the game I can add some insight as to why the owners have pulled the players out. The NHL is essentially the owners business. The owner does not want his players to participate for various reasons. 1. You are paying the player to go and play somewhere for two weeks, risking injury upon return. 2. The National Hockey League has a hard time supporting some American franchises. There are about 10 teams that are bringing in a major cash flow for the League. If you are not one of these teams a "two week break" in the middle of the season is not a good thing for your franchise. The break causes some fans to "lose interest", affecting ticket sales and some of the teams fan base. The other 3 major sports in America crush hockey in terms of ratings and popularity. They do not have a mid season  "two week break". 3. The NHL and its fan base are people from North America. Most people from North America don't really give a crap about International Hockey. We would much rather watch our own team play and go to our own teams games. However in Europe the players and the fans rank Olympic Hockey ahead of everything. Its their dream to play in the Winter Olympics, it is where their heart is. 4. The whole "terrorist threat" stuff that comes with the Olympic Games is kind of worry some. The NHLPA advised players to not bring their families to Russia. Who knows how this kind of thing will affect the Summer and Winter Olympic Games themselves.  Summing it up, the owners are not making any money and it is hurting their franchises.

The positives with the NHL participating in the Games is that it keeps the players happy. Players love to represent their country on the big stage at the Olympic Games. It is a two week emotion filled hockey tournament. Who wouldn't love that? The European players are even more passionate and excited about playing in the Games. It's their icing on the cake. With that being said, the fact that the NHL does participate makes it a league that the European players want to play in. It brings more talent to North America and makes the NHL the ultimate league. Being involved helps out Hockey Canada, USA hockey and the IIHF. Putting the best talent in the game on a worldwide stage helps grow the game of hockey internationally.

For me the two week break is a burden and an unnecessary thing to have to deal with. How the Leagues decision to pull out in 2018 will affect the NHL is for now unknown. All that I care about currently is that after the tourney our Detroit Redwings don't come back lacking heart and emotion.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:12 PM

 

I agree with your injury theory, but how does the Olympics cost the owners money?

If the Wings lose Datsyuk, Franzen, Kronwall, Nyquist, Howard, or others due to an injury at the Olympics or due to them returning too soon and it costs them a playoff spot, it would cost the owner millions.  



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:20 PM

Well, that's the argument, I'm just not sure it really works.  Who is watching these games?  Non fans that all of a sudden start watching the NHL?  Or is it already existing NHL fans?  There is also a big difference between games in Vancouver and games in Sochi or other parts of the world.

 

During the 2010 final you had bars packed with non hockey fans watching the game. Having the games held closer to normal US viewing times helped but who cares were the games are held. The Olympics are for the whole world not just the north american tv audience. 

 

 

Or Datsyuk and and Kronwall collide at center ice and both get hurt and are out for the regular season.  Kiss the playoffs goodbye Wings fans.

They could just as easily get hurt and miss the rest of the season while playing for Detroit as they can for there country. The they could get injured excuse is BS. A player could cut there finger making dinner, get in a wreck on the way to work, etc. Theres always a chance a player could get hurt in there normal lifes. Should owners put all players in a bubble when they are not on the ice for said team to prevent injury?







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