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Depends how anal you wanna be but yea. I mean to start the year every team has a 1 in 30 shot but how many actually have a shot.

I mean Detroit has a very minimal shot of even making the playoffs. But yes IF we make and IF Franzen has a freak playoff streak he has had once and a few others got hot sure we could win. But it's A LOT of ifs. Specially with serious injuries and old age. It doesn't look good at all.

Every single year it comes down to a lot of "ifs".

IF we can stay healthy...

IF Howard can take another step forward...

IF Dats and Zetts can maintain their elite play...

IF our young defence can raise their game collectively...

IF Holland can make a ballsy move...

Welcome to sports! Some people never cease to amaze me with their glass-half-empty mindsets.

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But that's the problem with relying too heavily on old aging players that are having serious injury issues. Franzens and z's will be a long term thing whereas dats is more short term I hope.

Holland made stupid moves. Signing guys like Sammy, cleary, colo for two years, bringing back miller when we had too many third and fourth line guys as it is, and the list goes in.

The moves he didn't make like trade for Ryan because he was sick all of 2012/2013 season and his excuse was he was lazy(still all round did better than franzenina).

I personally feel our D Woukd be fine if babs pulled his head out of his ass. Smith did fine when not paired with kindl or Quincey it kind of says something don't it? But he insists on it.

Howard is the least of our issues long term.

We need more players around z and dats short and long term. Alfie and Franzen are not the answers long term, luckily nyquist sure as hell looks like he is. If he was up since day one he would prolly be at what? 20-25 goals?

So to me that's our biggest concern short and long term putting 2 or 3 more good YOUNG reliable pieces around dat and z. Short term Alfie works but he has very little time left.

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But that's the problem with relying too heavily on old aging players that are having serious injury issues. Franzens and z's will be a long term thing whereas dats is more short term I hope.

Holland made stupid moves. Signing guys like Sammy, cleary, colo for two years, bringing back miller when we had too many third and fourth line guys as it is, and the list goes in.

The moves he didn't make like trade for Ryan because he was sick all of 2012/2013 season and his excuse was he was lazy(still all round did better than franzenina).

I personally feel our D Woukd be fine if babs pulled his head out of his ass. Smith did fine when not paired with kindl or Quincey it kind of says something don't it? But he insists on it.

Howard is the least of our issues long term.

We need more players around z and dats short and long term. Alfie and Franzen are not the answers long term, luckily nyquist sure as hell looks like he is. If he was up since day one he would prolly be at what? 20-25 goals?

So to me that's our biggest concern short and long term putting 2 or 3 more good YOUNG reliable pieces around dat and z. Short term Alfie works but he has very little time left.

Oh, you mean like Nyquist? Tatar? Jurco?

Why stop at 3? Sheahan, Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, Jarnkrok....

Seems like you and KH have the same plan, go figure.

I wouldn't have made that trade for Bobby Ryan. For us that would be akin to giving up Nyquist, Tatar, and a mid-level 1st rounder (Like a Mantha or Nichushkin). Those 3 pieces will collectively end up being way more valuable in the future than 1 Bobby Ryan. Ottawa was forced to pull triggers with Alfredsson leaving.

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But that's the problem with relying too heavily on old aging players that are having serious injury issues. Franzens and z's will be a long term thing whereas dats is more short term I hope.

Holland made stupid moves. Signing guys like Sammy, cleary, colo for two years, bringing back miller when we had too many third and fourth line guys as it is, and the list goes in.

The moves he didn't make like trade for Ryan because he was sick all of 2012/2013 season and his excuse was he was lazy(still all round did better than franzenina).

I personally feel our D Woukd be fine if babs pulled his head out of his ass. Smith did fine when not paired with kindl or Quincey it kind of says something don't it? But he insists on it.

Howard is the least of our issues long term.

We need more players around z and dats short and long term. Alfie and Franzen are not the answers long term, luckily nyquist sure as hell looks like he is. If he was up since day one he would prolly be at what? 20-25 goals?

So to me that's our biggest concern short and long term putting 2 or 3 more good YOUNG reliable pieces around dat and z. Short term Alfie works but he has very little time left.

I agree about the Sammy, Cleary, and Colaiacovo signings, (Not so much Millers though).

But then you go off the rails. Ken Holland tried to get Ryan from the Ducks and was working on a deal to get him for Lashoff, a 2nd or 3rd round Pick and Tomas Tatar. Anaheim wanted more and ultimately got it from Ottawa. It had nothing to do with Ryan missing time, and certainly had nothing to do with "Laziness".

Chances are that more would have been Nyquist and then if Ryan went cold we'd have 2, 10 ton elephants in the room and we'd all die of suffocation.

Also Alfie is only signed short term, so I'm not sure what your problem is with him. He's played great since he got here, enough so that I'd be happy if we kept him for another season.

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Well thanks for sharing your opinion but if you search the threads there are one or two sharing the facts. And one literally had a quote from holland saying laziness was why he did t pursue Ryan. And I had one that had the details of his sickness all year long.

So go ahead deny FACTS. It just makes you look well unintelligent.

And you're completely missing the point when it comes to Alfie but you keep thinking what you are. I can only say the complete opposite so many times and you'll still keep believe the same stupid thing. Maybe it's my fault maybe I don't elaborate enough in my wall of text.

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Well thanks for sharing your opinion but if you search the threads there are one or two sharing the facts. And one literally had a quote from holland saying laziness was why he did t pursue Ryan. And I had one that had the details of his sickness all year long.

So go ahead deny FACTS. It just makes you look well unintelligent.

And you're completely missing the point when it comes to Alfie but you keep thinking what you are. I can only say the complete opposite so many times and you'll still keep believe the same stupid thing. Maybe it's my fault maybe I don't elaborate enough in my wall of text.

If such a thread or quotes exist you should be the one producing them since you're claiming it as a fact. I don't believe they exist.

You keep using the words facts and opinion, but I'm beginning to think you don't know the difference between the 2.

I'm not going to trade insults with you though, I'll let people weigh my posts against yours and decide for themselves who seems more intelligent.

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The only person I can think of that mentioned that Bobby Ryan "doesn't play with enough intensity" was Brian Burke when explaining the Team USA snub. Most of the lazy talk in the past was conjured by fans I believe. I don't recall Holland mentioning anything about Ryan.

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It would have been extremely out of character for Holland to say something so blatantly negative about a player, except in extreme circumstances. I don't even remember a lot of public negativity about Krupp coming from Holland. I don't believe for a second he said Ryan was lazy.

The only "facts" that DeGra55 spews are ones taken out of context, and he runs away from anything that doesn't support his flawed arguments. He sounds just like a politician.

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I don't care what you guys think but there was a quote about it in a thread. Or maybe it was Babcock who said it? Either way it's the reason why he wasn't pursued and the fact they value unproven prospects over proven goal scorers. As many of you do as well.

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I don't care what you guys think but there was a quote about it in a thread. Or maybe it was Babcock who said it? Either way it's the reason why he wasn't pursued and the fact they value unproven prospects over proven goal scorers. As many of you do as well.

Burke said it.

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Ya you're right he said it last year after round one of the playoffs lol ok.

I didn't hear him saying anything about Ryan after the playoffs last year, but I know he said it in connection to Ryan not being on the Olympic team.

There was plenty of rumors going around that the Wings were after Ryan, but it would have been hard to beat the package Ottawa gave up. http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/06/report-flyers-penguins-red-wings-senators-among-teams-after-bobby-ryan/

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Well thanks for sharing your opinion but if you search the threads there are one or two sharing the facts. And one literally had a quote from holland saying laziness was why he did t pursue Ryan. And I had one that had the details of his sickness all year long.

So go ahead deny FACTS. It just makes you look well unintelligent.

And you're completely missing the point when it comes to Alfie but you keep thinking what you are. I can only say the complete opposite so many times and you'll still keep believe the same stupid thing. Maybe it's my fault maybe I don't elaborate enough in my wall of text.

Yeah I remember Holland saying he didn't go hard after Suter bc he thought Suter was the next Lebda. I have nothing credible too support this, but trust me I saw it somewhere, don't bother arguing with me, it's FACT

Alfredsson we got for 1 year for nothing. What in gods name is there to complain about?

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I was referring to holland or Babcock saying it after the first round in the playoffs. It's why he wasn't pursued.

I could care less about Burke saying it as that's a

Completely different discussion.

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I don't care what you guys think but there was a quote about it in a thread. Or maybe it was Babcock who said it? Either way it's the reason why he wasn't pursued and the fact they value unproven prospects over proven goal scorers. As many of you do as well.

The show us the quote...or stop claiming its a fact.

Also the irony of you saying we don't value proven goal scorers when you're advocating buying out Franzen is pretty spectacular.

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I was referring to holland or Babcock saying it after the first round in the playoffs. It's why he wasn't pursued.

I could care less about Burke saying it as that's a

Completely different discussion.

Except the Wings were trying to trade for him.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your made up "facts."

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http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/75003-bobby-ryan-to-ottawa/#

Crumson said it on page one the tweet was shown on page three I think? Told you I saw it in here but go on don't believe a FACT i said. Now maybe the tweet wasn't a fact but it was on here.

Then I posted another thread about how he was sick all season and playoffs long. Which I do know is a fact as well since I posted the damn thread and link.

Franzen isn't a goal scorer...hell he said it himself!

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http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/75003-bobby-ryan-to-ottawa/#

Crumson said it on page one the tweet was shown on page three I think? Told you I saw it in here but go on don't believe a FACT i said. Now maybe the tweet wasn't a fact but it was on here.

Then I posted another thread about how he was sick all season and playoffs long. Which I do know is a fact as well since I posted the damn thread and link.

Franzen isn't a goal scorer...hell he said it himself!

So an unsupported post, possibly made tongue in cheek, makes it a "fact" that HOlland thinks Ryan is lazy.

Franzen scores 27 or 28 goals a season. That's pretty good.

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That's not even close to what you claimed he said.

All that tweet said was that the Wings lost interest in him after they played him in the playoffs. Not that Holland said he was lazy.

Also it was a quote from a reporter not from Holland and it wasn't quoting him.

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Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 2h

Bobby Ryan off to Ottawa. #RedWings had little interest in Ryan, none after lackluster performance in this year's playoffs against them.

That's wrote as fact not opinion.

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Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 2h

Bobby Ryan off to Ottawa. #RedWings had little interest in Ryan, none after lackluster performance in this year's playoffs against them.

That's wrote as fact not opinion.

So they never had much interest, and when he struggled they lost all interest. Whys he lazy?

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