toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 Didn't Crosby play in the Q? I ton of NHLers did, not sure the context of the question though? Is it in reference to Lefebvre being amoung the all-time point leaders? There are a couple issues there: 1 - Back in the 80s and 90s (similar to NHL), scoring was significantly higher in the Q (astronomical actually). 2 - The all-time leading scorers in juniors are not likely to be amoung the better players in the game as the best players don't last in the league very long (e.g. Crosby played his last game in juniors at the age of 17). You see guys putting up huge numbers at the age of 19 and 20, but that is a huge difference when you try to compare to guys at 16, 17 and 18. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 True, Kirk Maltby was a 50 goal scorer in juniors after all. Crosby was a 50 goal scorer back then as well..can I compare Mantha to him instead of a guy that scored 50 1 time? =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 Crosby was a 50 goal scorer back then as well..can I compare Mantha to him instead of a guy that scored 50 1 time? =) I know you are joking, but as others have pointed out, you really can't or shouldn't compare junior stats. If you want to compare his stats to Crosby's stats, the best you can do is as follows: - Crosby, at 17, scored 66 goals (168pts) in 62 games in the Q - Mantha, at 17, scored 22 goals (51pts) in 63 games in the Q Even then, you really shouldn't make that comparison since guys develop at different times (so really hard when you are talking about guys in their teens). Also, when Mantha was 17, overall league scoring was higher as well (teams scored an average of 3.58 gpg compared to 3.18 when Crosby was 17. Scouts are decent at picking out guys though...this is why you see very high scoring players not necessarily get picked very high and guys that don't score much that do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
achildr1 255 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 True, Kirk Maltby was a 50 goal scorer in juniors after all. Mickey...is that you? 1 ogreslayer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 So we'll see him when he's....25? He does have to be "seasoned" after all. Steve Yzerman didn't need no "seasoning".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Rumor has it that Holland plans on trading him for cogliano once his contract is pending UFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 im still saying that by xmas Mantha will be on the roster, if we can get that help on the blueline and everyone stays fit next year we could have a very strong line up. I mean Zetterberg Datsyuk Legwand and Weiss as the 4 centers looks unmatchable by any side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Good news! It's a start at least. 2 Z Winged Dangler and Cloune reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Good news! It's a start at least. When do the playoffs end? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 RS end 14/03/15..depends on the layoff in between RS/POs and the success of his team..officially there is nothing set right now, the website says "playoffs: TBD". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for digging that up. Normally I'm on Holland's side and prefer kids to log big minutes in every situation in lesser leagues than have them working 5 minutes/night on the fourth line, but at Mantha's level I'm not sure that a deep playoff run will do him much good in a league he has clearly already mastered. In this case I think I'd rather him practicing as a black ace with the Wings (and just maybe getting 4 min a night on the fourth line) than making a deep playoff run in the Q. He needs to develop alongside men, now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 When do the playoffs end? Anywhere from the end of March to the end of May Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 Good news! It's a start at least. Maybe it's just me but I would assume that means up to Detroit's "system" where he will start his contract and professional career. Aka. Grand Rapids. Could very well be wrong though. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him as a black ace though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) If he plays any games this season does that count as one year on his entry level contract? Edited March 10, 2014 by Datsyukian-Deke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capitals-insider/wp/2013/10/26/nhl-rookies-with-entry-level-contracts-can-pose-dilemma/ An NHL team gets just 10 games before it must make a decision on players in the lineup who still have major junior eligibility. If a player suits up for 10 or more games, one year of his three-year entry-level contract is burned. If he plays in 40 or more contests, the season accrues and gets him to unrestricted free agency that much sooner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted March 10, 2014 At the rate our players are dropping like flies, it would be awesome if he actually played in the NHL this year. I don't know if he's ready but players do sometimes jump right in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 Even Wings scouts saying he could be a wing next year. Like, holy s***, that young number 1 Scorer could be here in august. Not only are we, but management is real high on him. Yzerman 2.0? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Follow Stormin Norman@Stormin1Norman #Redwings Jiří Fischer visited Anthony Mantha a few weeks ago and told him he will be coming up to Detroit once his #LHJMQ playoffs are over Edited March 11, 2014 by marcaractac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 Follow Stormin Norman@Stormin1Norman #Redwings Jiří Fischer visited Anthony Mantha a few weeks ago and told him he will be coming up to Detroit once his #LHJMQ playoffs are over O.O cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) If they plan on having Mantha up full-time next season I think we see some trades happen. We would have an overloaded forward group as we stand now. Might be time to pull the trigger on a dman trade with some other assets (Abby/Helm+picks, prospects) if he is ready to take a spot in the big club. C's - Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Legwand?, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, (Glendening?) W's - Franzen, Alfie?, Tatar, Nyquist, Abby, Miller, (Jurco?), (Mantha?), (Ferraro/Callahan?) Lots of goodies in the forwards group. I think Holland wants to assess Mantha's readiness before moving some players for a Dman in the offseason. Edit: Pulkkinen is also pushing for a spot soon too. So much talent with so few roster spots. Edited March 11, 2014 by dirtydangles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 If they plan on having Mantha up full-time next season I think we see some trades happen. We would have an overloaded forward group as we stand now. Might be time to pull the trigger on a dman trade with some other assets (Abby/Helm+picks, prospects) if he is ready to take a spot in the big club. C's - Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Legwand?, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, (Glendening?) W's - Franzen, Alfie?, Tatar, Nyquist, Abby, Miller, (Jurco?), (Mantha?), (Ferraro/Callahan?) Lots of goodies in the forwards group. I think Holland wants to assess Mantha's readiness before moving some players for a Dman in the offseason. Edit: Pulkkinen is also pushing for a spot soon too. So much talent with so few roster spots. My guess is they'll see what Mantha can do in the NHL before they make any trades Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 1 Cloune reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 My guess is they'll see what Mantha can do in the NHL before they make any trades Thats what I'm saying too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 If he is coming up to the wings, it will be to watch games. He won't be playing in them. He has a rather large learning curve ahead of him. I would rather see them take their time rather than try to rush him and destroy his confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted March 11, 2014 If he is coming up to the wings, it will be to watch games. He won't be playing in them. He has a rather large learning curve ahead of him. I would rather see them take their time rather than try to rush him and destroy his confidence. Maybe he can play in the NHL ? We won't know if we don't play him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites