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#21 Konnan511

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:09 PM

Mantha will get some games in once his team has been eliminated from the playoffs. Next season he will start in Grand Rapids and most likely play the entire season there with maybe some call-ups.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:18 PM

Patrice Lefebvre, Patrick Emond and Normand Dupont.

Household names, right?

They are 3 of the top 4 all-time Quebec League points leaders.

i saw Lefebvre play here in the UK back in the 90's the guy was awesome. Had a great set of hands great wheels but he was about 5'6" so i guess he wasup against. But he did something that not alot of players have done, he played in the NHL after playing in the British league.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:29 PM

i saw Lefebvre play here in the UK back in the 90's the guy was awesome. Had a great set of hands great wheels but he was about 5'6" so i guess he wasup against. But he did something that not alot of players have done, he played in the NHL after playing in the British league.

Only 3 games in the NHL though.

 

Absolutely crazy stat:

 

He scored 165 points in 36 games in the BHL in 92/93 - 4.58 ppg.  The crazy part of the stat though, is that he didn't lead his team in scoring (or "ppg" if you were thinking he missed a ton of time....leading scorer also played 36 games)



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:33 PM

Didn't Crosby play in the Q?



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

Didn't Crosby play in the Q?

 

Yup. Claude Giroux too.

 

I was curious about the all time players from the Q,and found this:

 

http://www.rds.ca/ho...illeur-1.245893

 

Interesting to note who's at #40. I had no clue. I also didn't know that Pat LaFontaine and Mike Bossy played in the Q too.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:37 AM

Didn't Crosby play in the Q?

I ton of NHLers did, not sure the context of the question though?  Is it in reference to Lefebvre being amoung the all-time point leaders?  There are a couple issues there:

 

  1 - Back in the 80s and 90s (similar to NHL), scoring was significantly higher in the Q (astronomical actually).

  2 - The all-time leading scorers in juniors are not likely to be amoung the better players in the game as the best players don't last in the league very long (e.g. Crosby played his last game in juniors at the age of 17).  You see guys putting up huge numbers at the age of 19 and 20, but that is a huge difference when you try to compare to guys at 16, 17 and 18.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:52 AM

 

True, Kirk Maltby was a 50 goal scorer in juniors after all.

Crosby was a 50 goal scorer back then as well..can I compare Mantha to him instead of a guy that scored 50 1 time? =)


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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:05 AM

Crosby was a 50 goal scorer back then as well..can I compare Mantha to him instead of a guy that scored 50 1 time? =)

I know you are joking, but as others have pointed out, you really can't or shouldn't compare junior stats.  If you want to compare his stats to Crosby's stats, the best you can do is as follows:

 

  - Crosby, at 17, scored 66 goals (168pts) in 62 games in the Q

 

  - Mantha, at 17, scored 22 goals (51pts) in 63 games in the Q

 

Even then, you really shouldn't make that comparison since guys develop at different times (so really hard when you are talking about guys in their teens).  Also, when Mantha was 17, overall league scoring was higher as well (teams scored an average of 3.58 gpg compared to 3.18 when Crosby was 17.

 

Scouts are decent at picking out guys though...this is why you see very high scoring players not necessarily get picked very high and guys that don't score much that do.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:45 PM

 
True, Kirk Maltby was a 50 goal scorer in juniors after all.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

So we'll see him when he's....25? He does have to be "seasoned" after all. Steve Yzerman didn't need no "seasoning"....


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:36 PM

Rumor has it that Holland plans on trading him for cogliano once his contract is pending UFA


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

im still saying that by xmas Mantha will be on the roster, if we can get that help on the blueline and everyone stays fit next year we could have a very strong line up. 

I mean Zetterberg Datsyuk Legwand and Weiss as the 4 centers looks unmatchable by any side. 


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:56 PM

Good news! It's a start at least.

 

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:01 PM

Good news! It's a start at least.
 
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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:21 PM

RS end 14/03/15..depends on the layoff in between RS/POs and the success of his team..officially there is nothing set right now, the website says "playoffs: TBD".


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:35 PM

Thanks for digging that up.
Normally I'm on Holland's side and prefer kids to log big minutes in every situation in lesser leagues than have them working 5 minutes/night on the fourth line, but at Mantha's level I'm not sure that a deep playoff run will do him much good in a league he has clearly already mastered. In this case I think I'd rather him practicing as a black ace with the Wings (and just maybe getting 4 min a night on the fourth line) than making a deep playoff run in the Q. He needs to develop alongside men, now.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

When do the playoffs end?

Anywhere from the end of March to the end of May



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:43 PM

Good news! It's a start at least.

 

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Maybe it's just me but I would assume that means up to Detroit's "system" where he will start his contract and professional career. Aka. Grand Rapids. Could very well be wrong though.


Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him as a black ace though...


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:54 PM

If he plays any games this season does that count as one year on his entry level contract?

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:07 PM

http://www.washingto...n-pose-dilemma/

 

 

An NHL team gets just 10 games before it must make a decision on players in the lineup who still have major junior eligibility. If a player suits up for 10 or more games, one year of his three-year entry-level contract is burned. If he plays in 40 or more contests, the season accrues and gets him to unrestricted free agency that much sooner.


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