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#1 Dabura

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:11 AM

So. We're rumored to be interested in Edler and Kesler, possibly as a package deal. As far as I know, we haven't been linked to Ehrhoff or Stewart - but, as I've blabbered on about in the deadline thread, I think there may be the potential for a package deal, as Ehrhoff's estimated trade value appears to be a 1st, a prospect, and a young roster defenseman with upside, or any two of those.

 

My question is, Which would you prefer - the two Canucks or the two Sabres? I guess for the sake of discussion we should factor in actual real-world considerations, e.g. cost.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

So. We're rumored to be interested in Edler and Kesler, possibly as a package deal. As far as I know, we haven't been linked to Ehrhoff or Stewart - but, as I've blabbered on about in the trade deadline thread, I think there may be the potential for a package deal, as Ehrhoff's estimated trade value appears to be a 1st, a prospect, and a young roster defenseman with upside, or any two of those.

 

My question is, Which would you prefer, the two Canucks or the two Sabres? I guess for the sake of discussion we should factor in actual real-world considerations, e.g. cost.

 

My concern is who we'd be we giving up :scared: .  Not a fan of Kesler :nono:



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:34 AM

My concern is who we'd be we giving up :scared: .  Not a fan of Kesler :nono:

 

I have to think Edler-Kesler (Edsler?) would cost a king's ransom. The Canucks are one point out of the playoffs (last I checked), and Gillis has to be thinking about his legacy...and the possibility of redemption.

 

That's largely why I'd prefer Ehrhoff-Stewart (Ehrwart? Stewhoff?) - they'd almost certainly come cheaper, even though it'd be intradivision. Maybe a 1st, two prospects, and a top-six forward?


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:36 AM

I don't want Stewart at all, and I don't like Ehrhoff's contract.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:48 AM

Kesler - Edler << the asking price will be too high everyone knows it. Gillis  is always trying to bend other GMs over yet he doesn't succeed at it

Stewart no thanks, locker room cancer doesn't get along well with Hitchcock so he for sure WONT do well with Babcock either

 

Ehrhoff yes, if the price isn't too high and Buffalo eats a bit of salary.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:49 AM

Given Ken Holland's trade history, I don't think either are possible or plausible.  It's just not how Holland does things.  I don't see any trades happening, unless there's some offensive RH D-Man who is over 35 on an expiring contract that he can get for a draft pick. 



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:04 AM

So. We're rumored to be interested in Edler and Kesler, possibly as a package deal. As far as I know, we haven't been linked to Ehrhoff or Stewart - but, as I've blabbered on about in the deadline thread, I think there may be the potential for a package deal, as Ehrhoff's estimated trade value appears to be a 1st, a prospect, and a young roster defenseman with upside, or any two of those.

 

My question is, Which would you prefer - the two Canucks or the two Sabres? I guess for the sake of discussion we should factor in actual real-world considerations, e.g. cost.

Stewart just got traded yesterday, so no package with him.  If the Cansucks package has Kesler in it, hell now.  I'd take either Erhoff or Edler alone, but especially for Erhoff, I wouldn't give a 1st, a prospect and a younger Dman  unless it's a 1st, Ferraro and Kindl cause even in a "weaker" draft year (which may turn out good anyways) 1st round picks are more valuable than in years past, namely prior to the cap.  And Erhoff is getting older and more injury prone, so that's another minus.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:27 AM

The trade with buffalo makes way more sense and can be potentially cheaper on what we give up,, I still don't think we need kesler and I hope Holland will see that too

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:41 AM

Kesler is a diver who'd cost too much in a trade (and I just hate him, in general). Edler is prone to giveaways. Stewart is extremely inconsistent and pretty bad in his own end. Ehrhoff contract is too long and he's not particularly that great in his own end either.

 

Too many red flags on all these players IMO. I'd rather not make a move just for the sake of it.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:58 AM

I'd actually prefer Kesler and Erhoff. Canucks haven't been the same since Erhoff left.

But it would be cheaper to get two guys from the same team.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:40 AM

Kesler is 6'2" 202 and is 29 years old.  He has 98 hits this year and is good for 25 goals a year, and has seasons over 70 points recently.  He plays excellent defense, can play wing or center, and will fight when he needs to.  He shoots right.  He is signed for 2 more seasons at $5 mil a year.

 

Stewart is bigger (6'2" 231) and is 26 years old.  He fights more, but hits less.  He's not good defensively and doesn't skate as well as Kesler.  He's been inconsistent bouncing from 15 goals to close to 30 from year to year.  He's a winger, can't play center.  He shoots right and is signed for one more season at $4.15 a year.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:41 AM

If ignoring the price, Kesler and Edler would be my preferance.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:10 PM

I think, once again, Gillis is not in the best position to deal.

First, Hodgson wanted out , so Gilly traded him for Kassian, which looks pretty bad these days and caught hell from the media.

Then the Luongo Bungle. Gilly decided to do things differently than the Hodgson deal, tries to play hardball and ends up changing plans and dumping Schnied for a pick, still stuck with Louie and some egg on his face, looking bad again.

Kesler let the cat out of the bag at the Olympics saying he wanted a trade. Loungo added a bit more pressure on Gilly by stating " it doesn't matter what he wants, it ain't happening ", ( I paraphrase from memory).

Now, Gilly doesn't know if he needs to get what he can get in a hurry to move the problem out the door, or play hardball trying to get full value for Kesler. Inaction will look like he's a deer in the headlights again, creating a distraction around the team again, and I think he'd be happy filling the position (2C) and getting a prospect, and maybe a pick.

I live just across the border from this media storm, and let me tell you, it's relentless. He wants to button this up.


Same with Edler. Media guys are in disbelief that Edler has not been moved yet. Rightly or wrongly, the fans and media perceive this team to be stale and time to shake it up.

That's why I think we can get it done with Weiss, (2C to adequately fill the position) Quincey, Andy, prospect (Almquist or Jarnkok) and a pick.

Gillis sounds super stressed out and ornery on the radio interviews, almost like he's taking night classes at the Brian Burke Institute of Media Relations.


Kesler-Datsyuk-Alfie
Nyquist-Helm-Franzen
Tatar- Sheahan-Jurco
Miller-Abby-Eaves
Glenny-Bert

Kronner-ERock
Edler-Dekeyser
Smith-Lashoff
Kindle

Playoffs:
Kessler-Datsyuk-Alfie
Nyquist-Zetterberg-Franzen
Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco
Abby-Helm-Miller

That lineup can compete with anyone.

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Edited by T.Low, 01 March 2014 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:40 PM

I think we should leave the losers in Vancouver no need to make a trade just cuz deadline comin up..... We do need a shutdown puck moving d Macdonald or zidlicky, seen his name on this forum he's not the shutdown but he would be a poor mans rafalski

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

Can I pick Kesler and Erhoff?


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:58 PM

We aren't making a trade. We don't have expendable assets, it's that simple.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:17 PM

We aren't making a trade. We don't have expendable assets, it's that simple.

 

We don't have them, or you personally wouldn't want to move them?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:32 PM

We aren't making a trade. We don't have expendable assets, it's that simple.


There are plenty of assets.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

Can I pick Kesler and Erhoff?

 

I'm not clamoring for Kesler, but if the price was right.  I wouldn't scoff at his acquisition.

 

Ehrhoff is definitely my top pick for defensive pick-up for the playoffs.  Wanted him when he was a free agent.  Still want him now. 

His cap-hit is good for the type of player and potential that he has when playing for a good team.  ...and I'm not a'scarred of his contract length.

 

Keep this in mind his cap hit is a meager $250,000 more than Kyle Quincey.  He has 6 goals and 23 assists on a s***ty Buffalo team.

Kyle Quincey has 3 goals and 6 assists.   Who wants to re-sign Quincey?  Who wouldn't mind having Ehrhoff around for a few years?

 

...and I'm not that high on Edler.  So, if I'm staying on topic:  Stewart/Ehrhoff. 


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:18 PM

 

I'm not clamoring for Kesler, but if the price was right.  I wouldn't scoff at his acquisition.

 

Ehrhoff is definitely my top pick for defensive pick-up for the playoffs.  Wanted him when he was a free agent.  Still want him now. 

His cap-hit is good for the type of player and potential that he has when playing for a good team.  ...and I'm not a'scarred of his contract length.

 

Keep this in mind his cap hit is a meager $250,000 more than Kyle Quincey.  He has 6 goals and 23 assists on a s***ty Buffalo team.

Kyle Quincey has 3 goals and 6 assists.   Who wants to re-sign Quincey?  Who wouldn't mind having Ehrhoff around for a few years?

 

...and I'm not that high on Edler.  So, if I'm staying on topic:  Stewart/Ehrhoff. 

 

I am.  You really want Ehrhoff around even after Franzen's ridiculous deal is over and done with?  Detroit already has at least enough of those long contracts, imo.  And, that's the only reason the cap hit is even comparable to Quincey's.  If Ehrhoff had signed a 3 year deal in 2011-12, the cap hit would be much higher.

 

I agree that Ehrhoff is probably the better player over Edler, but the contact comes with the player.  Plus, I don't really want Stewart.  So, if I have to pick one or the other combo, I'll go with Kesler and Edler.






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