Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Canadians may be shopping Subban...


  • Please log in to reply
62 replies to this topic

#21 stillwater

stillwater

    1st Line Sniper

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 829 posts
  • Location:ontario

Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:28 PM

I think the Canadiens offered him a great deal.


Got a link to the offer?

So Subban 'may' be something special?

Perhaps we don't a like minded idea of what 'special' is. He's already won a Norris trophy. I think he's already pretty special.

Edited by stillwater, 04 March 2014 - 01:28 PM.


#22 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:31 PM

Got a link to the offer?

So Subban 'may' be something special?

Perhaps we don't a like minded idea of what 'special' is. He's already won a Norris trophy. I think he's already pretty special.

 

He goes in and out, not stable at all, takes too many selfish penalties, and is invisible at times. Like I said massive potential but doesn't show it every game. He is a good player but has potential to be great.


Edited by wings87, 04 March 2014 - 01:32 PM.

"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#23 frankgrimes

frankgrimes

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,812 posts

Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:32 PM

Got a link to the offer?

So Subban 'may' be something special?

Perhaps we don't a like minded idea of what 'special' is. He's already won a Norris trophy. I think he's already pretty special.

 

http://www.sportsnet...hers-islanders/

 

Don't know if its true or not but at least that's the source.


kftx.jpg

 

The Offseason of truth ...

Welcome to hockeytown Jonas aka Lundquist 2 Gustavsson!

blank cheque for The Captain or Jim Star Nil please..


#24 haroldsnepsts

haroldsnepsts

    "Classy"

  • HoF Booster Mod
  • 16,899 posts

Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:44 PM

NBA attitude,  arrogant, agitator not defensively responsible and will command way too much money. if Pietrangelo isn't getting close to 7 Million neither should he, I think the Canadiens offered him a great deal.

 

There is a reason why every coach is having some difficult times with him, the kid has some serious growing up to do, same goes for that Eller kid. People joking about Karlsoon "only a fourth forward" Subban is basically the same BUT with all the mentioned attitude problems.

NBA attitude? Does Ovechkin have an NBA attitude?  What about Tatar?

 

He's got swagger but from what I've seen of him on 24CH he actually seems like a fairly humble guy.  He's just mouthy in the way guys like Hull and Roenick were.  

 

And every coach has had problems with him?  He and Therrien have had issues, but many have also questioned Therrien's handling of the young player.  He's shown some terrible decision making on the ice at times, but he's an extremely talented D-man who is young and still developing his game under the microscope in Montreal.  

 

I've never been a huge Subban fan but if a player like that can be had for a good deal with the Wings, absolutely I'd want him on the blueline.  He's a game changer.  The Wings don't have many of those anymore.   I can't imagine Montreal would ever let him go though.



#25 frankgrimes

frankgrimes

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,812 posts

Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:50 PM

NBA attitude? Does Ovechkin have an NBA attitude?  What about Tatar?

 

He's got swagger but from what I've seen of him on 24CH he actually seems like a fairly humble guy.  He's just mouthy in the way guys like Hull and Roenick were.  

 

And every coach has had problems with him?  He and Therrien have had issues, but many have also questioned Therrien's handling of the young player.  He's shown some terrible decision making on the ice at times, but he's an extremely talented D-man who is young and still developing his game under the microscope in Montreal.  

 

I've never been a huge Subban fan but if a player like that can be had for a good deal with the Wings, absolutely I'd want him on the blueline.  He's a game changer.  The Wings don't have many of those anymore.   I can't imagine Montreal would ever let him go though.

 

Ovechkin to me has more a soccer attitude --> over the top celebrations, golden shoe laces and all that stuff

 

Under their old coach he had fights with his own team-mates, is still acting like the world surrounds him and just comes off as a cocky kid. I don't know but despite guys like Price, Briere, Prust, Parros and Murray the Habs really don't have a lot of likeable lowkey guys it seems for whatever reason.

 

To be honest I'd rather have Ehrhoff i have never heard a bad word about him, always the opposite great teammate, low maintenance and working extremely hard.


kftx.jpg

 

The Offseason of truth ...

Welcome to hockeytown Jonas aka Lundquist 2 Gustavsson!

blank cheque for The Captain or Jim Star Nil please..


#26 anthonyn66

anthonyn66

    Wings fan in Leaf Nation

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 325 posts
  • Location:Bandwagon Leaf Nation

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:00 PM

Are people being serious here? Subban is 24 and is can definitely be a franchise defenceman! Yeah he's got some growing up to do but he's won a Norris and would be great in the Red Wings system, and he has been coached by Babcock before. Sure he was sat out at the Olympics but that's because of the depth Canada had with right handed shots (which by the way we like on our defence). Pat Kane also has 'growing up to do' you would argue but on the ice nobody cares, he puts up the points. Similar things were said when Kessel got traded (doesn't fit the system, blah blah blah) and Seguin (immature, doesn't improve his game, blah blah blah) and look at where they are now with a change of setting

 

With all that being said, there's virtually no chance he ends up in Detroit but if they called us I would put together one hell of a package to land him. 



#27 haroldsnepsts

haroldsnepsts

    "Classy"

  • HoF Booster Mod
  • 16,899 posts

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:14 PM

 

Ovechkin to me has more a soccer attitude --> over the top celebrations, golden shoe laces and all that stuff

 

Under their old coach he had fights with his own team-mates, is still acting like the world surrounds him and just comes off as a cocky kid. I don't know but despite guys like Price, Briere, Prust, Parros and Murray the Habs really don't have a lot of likeable lowkey guys it seems for whatever reason.

 

To be honest I'd rather have Ehrhoff i have never heard a bad word about him, always the opposite great teammate, low maintenance and working extremely hard.

 

I guess I don't see how that's much different than what Subban is known for and why it's an NBA attitude when it comes to him.  Ovechkin is arrogant, just as mouthy, and not exactly a team player. 

 

In general I take things with a grain of salt when it involves the Habs.  Everything is under the microscope there and that place is its own weird hockey universe. 

 

I had heard a lot of the same things but the 24CH gave me a new perspective on the kid.  He just seemed like a young emotional guy more than anything.  When he made a stupid mistake that cost his team the game, he looked crushed and apologized to his teammates in the lockerroom right after the game.  At 24 years old with that skill set, I'd take him on the Wings in a heartbeat. 



#28 F.Michael

F.Michael

    Old School Dynamic Duo

  • HoF Booster
  • 7,522 posts
  • Location:Wisconsin

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:20 PM

Don't get me wrong, Subban is awesome.  But we don't need a #1 d-man, we've got one.  We need a #3-4 d-man to play with Dekeyser and that ain't Subban.  I'll take Erhoff and keep the assets personally.

Might I ask who this #1 Dman is?

 

Subban would instantly be our most talented guy on the blueline - just that he may have attitude issues (that all depends upon who you listen to).

 

Dumb as this may sound - maybe a little mentoring by Lids might get a guy like Subban to change his ways, but then again it's questionable if Babcock would want him on the Wings.



'Evolution' created by Offsides

#29 frankgrimes

frankgrimes

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,812 posts

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:21 PM

 

I guess I don't see how that's much different than what Subban is known for and why it's an NBA attitude when it comes to him.  Ovechkin is arrogant, just as mouthy, and not exactly a team player. 

 

In general I take things with a grain of salt when it involves the Habs.  Everything is under the microscope there and that place is its own weird hockey universe. 

 

I had heard a lot of the same things but the 24CH gave me a new perspective on the kid.  He just seemed like a young emotional guy more than anything.  When he made a stupid mistake that cost his team the game, he looked crushed and apologized to his teammates in the lockerroom right after the game.  At 24 years old with that skill set, I'd take him on the Wings in a heartbeat. 

 

Well you could easily say Ovechkin has an NBA attitude too heck when it comes down to it NBA, soccer and football often go hand in hand bad attitude wise but especially football and soccer are known for their over the top celebrations. Especially Ovechkin and  his stick on fire dance was embarassing.

 

Yeah the microscope in the Habs universe is tremendous their front office should take a page out of how the Wings are doing things, big city original 6 franchise but the players aren't under that constant microscope.

 

Personally I would not risk a cursed locker-room because some guy things he can be above the team. If THE captain nor Lids weren't above the team nobody else should even dare to claim something like that and thats exactly why I think players need to fit in personalitywise also.


kftx.jpg

 

The Offseason of truth ...

Welcome to hockeytown Jonas aka Lundquist 2 Gustavsson!

blank cheque for The Captain or Jim Star Nil please..


#30 F.Michael

F.Michael

    Old School Dynamic Duo

  • HoF Booster
  • 7,522 posts
  • Location:Wisconsin

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:24 PM

I'm not trading him; the Canadiens might, but they haven't contacted me regarding it.

eh?

 

;)



'Evolution' created by Offsides

#31 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:37 PM

Are people being serious here? Subban is 24 and is can definitely be a franchise defenceman! Yeah he's got some growing up to do but he's won a Norris and would be great in the Red Wings system, and he has been coached by Babcock before. Sure he was sat out at the Olympics but that's because of the depth Canada had with right handed shots (which by the way we like on our defence). Pat Kane also has 'growing up to do' you would argue but on the ice nobody cares, he puts up the points. Similar things were said when Kessel got traded (doesn't fit the system, blah blah blah) and Seguin (immature, doesn't improve his game, blah blah blah) and look at where they are now with a change of setting

 

With all that being said, there's virtually no chance he ends up in Detroit but if they called us I would put together one hell of a package to land him. 

 

The package to get Subban might be close to what it would cost to land both Kesler and Edler and I'd rather have Kesler and Edler.


"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#32 kipwinger

kipwinger

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,628 posts
  • Location:Mt. Pleasant, MI

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:40 PM

Might I ask who this #1 Dman is?

 

Subban would instantly be our most talented guy on the blueline - just that he may have attitude issues (that all depends upon who you listen to).

 

Dumb as this may sound - maybe a little mentoring by Lids might get a guy like Subban to change his ways, but then again it's questionable if Babcock would want him on the Wings.

 

Our #1 d-man is Kronwall.  I agree that Subban is better.  But we don't need that because there's nothing wrong with Kronwall at #1.  Everybody always seems to think you need a team full of all-stars to compete.  You don't.  We've got a #1, we don't have a #3.  So rather than spend insane assets to get a star, just to say that we got a star, why not just get the #3 that we need and keep our assets? 

 

And that's no knock on Subban, I like Subban, he's awesome...we just don't need him for what he'd cost.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


#33 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:54 PM

If we only needed one player to put us over the top it would make sense to go after Subban, but the Wings need two if not three players and spending all our bullets on Subban is unwise IMHO.


Edited by wings87, 04 March 2014 - 02:54 PM.

"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#34 Dave

Dave

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,177 posts
  • Location:Chesapeake, Virginia

Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:59 PM

If we only needed one player to put us over the top it would make sense to go after Subban, but the Wings need two if not three players and spending all our bullets on Subban is unwise IMHO.

 

How so? With the kids performing the biggest weakness is the 2-4 slot on D. Subban would be a #1b with Kronner at #1a. That slides everyone else down one and instantly fills our top4 defensive need.



#35 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:10 PM

 

How so? With the kids performing the biggest weakness is the 2-4 slot on D. Subban would be a #1b with Kronner at #1a. That slides everyone else down one and instantly fills our top4 defensive need.

 

Datsyuk is playing on one leg, Z is out, and so is Weiss; tonight we have Andersson centering the first line. As much as the Wings need a defenceman they also badly need another solid top six forward. 


"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#36 Dave

Dave

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,177 posts
  • Location:Chesapeake, Virginia

Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:30 PM

 

Datsyuk is playing on one leg, Z is out, and so is Weiss; tonight we have Andersson centering the first line. As much as the Wings need a defenceman they also badly need another solid top six forward. 

 

Those are all temporary absences. The D is healthy and still inadequate. I understand your reasoning, Z, D, and Weiss aren't playing, so it is an immediate need. However, I just want to point out that it isn't a permanent need.



#37 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:40 PM

Those are all temporary absences. The D is healthy and still inadequate. I understand your reasoning, Z, D, and Weiss aren't playing, so it is an immediate need. However, I just want to point out that it isn't a permanent need.


I get your point, but I think that a forward has been a need for several seasons now. Holland went out and got Weiss who has become a giant question mark going forward. I agree that with the emergence of the younger forwards a scorer is less a priority but take into account how good Kindle was last year and how bad he has been this year. While we love our younger players you can never be sure how they'll be next year. A proven scorer would help balance out the youth, but yeah a top D is still a giant need; it has been ever since Rafalski left.

"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#38 Z Winged Dangler

Z Winged Dangler

    Part 3: Return of the Hammer Hands

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,195 posts
  • Location:Winnipeg, MB

Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:34 PM

As much as I love Kronwall he is more of a number 2 defenceman, Lidstrom was the number one guy and Kronwall isn't quite their. But whatever that's not important.

As far as Subban no way is he getting traded for a couple reasons:

1. Too high of a price tag I don't think there is a team that would match it.
2. With that high a price tag teams still don't know what type of player he is. He has massive potential but will he ever reach it?

And lastly I'd rather have Edler then Subban, too many unknowns with P.K.

If Lids is your benchmark for a #1 Dman, then there isn't one in the entire NHL, nor may there ever be again.


"I play hockey, but I am not very good.  Can someone please tell me what it would take to sign with the Wings ? I can use a million or two."  ~ arag

 

Dan Cleary is an Xbox 360.  While good for a while, it's time for the new generation to take over.


#39 wings87

wings87

    Wake Up!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,822 posts
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:43 PM

If Lids is your benchmark for a #1 Dman, then there isn't one in the entire NHL, nor may there ever be again.


I wrote another post after that one my reasoning is in there.

"He usually shows up when the game is over and tries to be the hero. Puts his cape on and goes and flies out there." ~ Franzen 


#40 Andy Pred 48

Andy Pred 48

    Coming soon,"the slovak line" Marek and 2 Toms!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts
  • Location:Peterborough England

Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:55 PM

if its upto Babs then he stays in Montreal just like Babs had him stay in the press box during the Olympics.


"What are you guys doing?" Reggie Dunlop
"Putting on the foil coach" Jeff Hanson
"Yeah, every game, you want some coach?" Steve Hanson
"Er, no. No thanks guys." Reggie Dunlop
"Make sure they don't leave the bench!" Reggie Dunlop.





Similar Topics Collapse

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users