Dave 324 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I made a quick spreadsheet of all the transactions KH has orchestrated since 2009. It is insanely unimpressive. It's just trades/signings. I didn't add drafting, because who knows how that will turn out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 i can't believe he's just sitting there not making a trade. With the current state of the team and the fact we are in the cusp of the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Kyle Quincey is our biggest trade deadline acquisition in the last 5 years.... :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Can't see it, don't have a Google account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 You don't need a spreadsheet to know that Ken Holland will never be mistaken for Glen Sather or Paul Holmgren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Some good hockey deals in there 1 WingsallTheway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) This brings up the following serious questions: 1). What deal went down that KH missed, where the winner of that deal resulted in a SCF or even Conference Final ? 2). Where would we be if we would have gotten that deal? Like the Parise/Suter Sweepstakes, for example. Where is Minne now, and where would we be? Edited March 5, 2014 by T.Low 2 Dave and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 You just stop it with that reasonable and measured response T.Low! We want action!! We want more rows, columns, and fields on our spreadsheet filled in!! 2 T.Low and Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I made a quick spreadsheet of all the transactions KH has orchestrated since 2009. It is insanely unimpressive. It's just trades/signings. I didn't add drafting, because who knows how that will turn out. he's drafted Ferraro, Tatar, Jensen, Callahan, AA1, Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkinnen, Mrazek, Jurco, Oullet, Sproul, Backman, Marchenko, AA2 and Mantha, and it makes it a lot harder for Holland bashers to bash him FTFY 3 e_prime, PavelValerievichDatsyuk and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 324 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 FTFY OR....OR... Of those players you listed 2 are in the NHL. Now there's no doubt a lot of those guys may become something great, but who knows? On the flip side, how many of those trades/FA signings have panned out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 It doesn't make you any less of a fan to be able to ask the tough questions about the team you root for instead of blindly drinking the Kool Aid. 4 joshy207, Mitchmac33, roboturner and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Kool-Aid! I love Kool-Aid. Ecto-cooler is my absolute favorite. 1 FireCaptain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 324 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Kool-Aid! I love Kool-Aid. Ecto-cooler is my absolute favorite. That's HI-C, son. Get it straight. 3 SaCkaveli20, FireCaptain and amberlynn25 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Any sugar-y beverage will do. 1 amberlynn25 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings4thecup06 504 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 This brings up the following serious questions: 1). What deal went down that KH missed, where the winner of that deal resulted in a SCF or even Conference Final ? 2). Where would we be if we would have gotten that deal? Like the Parise/Suter Sweepstakes, for example. Where is Minne now, and where would we be? this is an excellent point though. Especially 2. What honestly would things have looked like now if we'd got Suter? One can only dream…. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I want action, too, no doubt about it. But too many people think that because someone else got a guy we liked, that KH just sat and ate popcorn watching the deal go down. But like I said yesterday, while some have wondered why we haven't gotten Edler yet, for example, it's because Gillis requested Tatar Sheahan and Smith in return! I want to acquire Edler,Mobutu not at that price! It's worse than dealing with jokers on Craigslist: everyone thinks their s*** is Gold Treasure! I was one of the guys spouting off about trading Franzen for Burrows. Now look , holy crap I'd be beating my head against a wall if KH would have listened to me on that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 this is an excellent point though. Especially 2. What honestly would things have looked like now if we'd got Suter? One can only dream…. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... didn't/couldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 If we signed Parise and Suter we'd be contenders. They got too much money and years though so I'm okay with it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 If we signed Parise and Suter we'd be contenders. They got too much money and years though so I'm okay with it In a year or two their deals will be pretty good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 This brings up the following serious questions: 1). What deal went down that KH missed, where the winner of that deal resulted in a SCF or even Conference Final ? 2). Where would we be if we would have gotten that deal? Like the Parise/Suter Sweepstakes, for example. Where is Minne now, and where would we be? I don't think those are fair questions. 1) The result another team got in no way indicates what would have happened with the Wings, good or bad, if they made that deal. 2) This is impossible to know. I criticize Holland not so much for specific deals he's missed out on, but the moves (and lack thereof) that he has made over the last few years. I assume Holland is working his ass off and on the phone trying to put deals together. But so what. That's his job. What counts for a GM is the deals you actually make, not how close you came to a good one. He painted himself into a corner with Lidstrom retiring so he even had to participate in the Suter sweepstakes. Lidstrom retiring was a known issue. Stuart back to California was a known issue. The Samuelsson and Tootoo signings were both awful. Giving up a first to bring in Quincey. Not getting anything back on players he developed like Flip and Hudler. Re-signging Cleary and pinning himself against the cap and roster limitations so good players rot in the minors. Holland has had a lot of success as GM. He's been the master at tweaking a great team to keep it going, but he has done little to show he can successfully "rebuild on the fly." 1 AtomicPunk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 A year before your spreadsheet, he signed Marian Hossa. And a year before that, he signed Brian Rafalski. One won us a cup. The other got us to back-to-back finals. 3 Nev, puckbags and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) A year before your spreadsheet, he signed Marian Hossa. And a year before that, he signed Brian Rafalski. One won us a cup. The other got us to back-to-back finals. Hossa called Holland. Then a year later, Holland made the colossal mistake of letting Hossa go. Rafalski wanted to come home. I'm glad we had them and all, but these weren't situations that you could say Holland hit out of the park based on his own efforts. I mean, Hossa pretty much negotiated his own deal. And besides that, the real problem has come up in the years since 2009 when the reality of the Cap started truly affecting the team. When he wasn't getting away with paying Zetterberg $2 million a season, he struggled to build a team around Dats and Z. And it's not even just that he's not luring better players here, he's signing mediocre players to terrible deals. That's the problem. Edited March 5, 2014 by gcom007 2 roboturner and Wing Across The Pond reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) id like to know what hollad plans this offseason. the UFA defensemen arent impressive Edited March 5, 2014 by brett Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 id like to know what hollad plans the offseason. the UFA defensemen arent impressive Plans??? 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Side note, the trades for the two seconds with Ottawa and the Leino trade with Philly landed us Jurco, XO, and Backman. So not too bad really. Gave up Matt Puempel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites