ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 They needed a center so I think the deal was fine. You gotta look at it market value wise. If this was like previous trade deadlines it night have seemed to better. But the fact that guys like Vanek and Moulson went for late round draft picks really makes this trade look bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 If I were Holland, I would do this trade 10-out-of-10 times. f*** Jarnkrok. When Zetterberg came here from the SEL he made the Wings out of camp. Not after a couple of blanket tosses in the AHL. One thing the Wings are amazing at is talent evaluation. I doubt they trade Jarnkrok, panicked, or not, if they didn’t think the franchise could live with it. + IF we make the playoffs this year, it will be in part due to Legwand’s contribution. And I actually think the playoff streak is important. And I actually think that if this team gets in, we may see good things. 2 Internet.Unknown and Barrie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 We had no room for Jarnkrok. Who on this team would he replace? He would have still been in Grand Rapids next year too with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Weiss back. When he'd finally get his shot, in 2015-16, he'd be 24. Plus there was rumors Jarnkrok was going to go home. The Wings have fought and clawed their way back into a playoff spot the last 3 weeks, and Legwand has been a part of that. Holland turned someone stuck in Grand Rapids, or would go home, into someone who could help us now, and for the next 4 seasons. If Jarnkrok's an NHL player, he has to prove it now, and that wasn't going to happen with the Wings. If he's playing well in Nashville, a team who could actually use him, then good for him for playing well so far. Holland can't win, if he doesn't make a move people are upset, when he does, people are upset. 1 Hey man nice shot! reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) If I were Holland, I would do this trade 10-out-of-10 times. f*** Jarnkrok. When Zetterberg came here from the SEL he made the Wings out of camp. Not after a couple of blanket tosses in the AHL. One thing the Wings are amazing at is talent evaluation. I doubt they trade Jarnkrok, panicked, or not, if they didn’t think the franchise could live with it. + IF we make the playoffs this year, it will be in part due to Legwand’s contribution. And I actually think the playoff streak is important. And I actually think that if this team gets in, we may see good things. I agree, when I compare Jarnkrok to Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Dats and Z made the Wings 3 seasons after being drafted, and by the ages of 24 and 25, they were both top 5 or leading the team in points. Compare that to Jarnkrok, he's on year 4, and still had a season or 2 before he'd be a Wing. He's 22 now, by the time he'd be in Detroit to stay he'd be 24 or 25. Datsyuk and Zetterberg were getting 60-80 points at the age of 24 and 25. Jarnkrok should have made the Wings already. Edited March 30, 2014 by Barrie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) If I were Holland, I would do this trade 10-out-of-10 times. f*** Jarnkrok. When Zetterberg came here from the SEL he made the Wings out of camp. Not after a couple of blanket tosses in the AHL. One thing the Wings are amazing at is talent evaluation. I doubt they trade Jarnkrok, panicked, or not, if they didnt think the franchise could live with it. + IF we make the playoffs this year, it will be in part due to Legwands contribution. And I actually think the playoff streak is important. And I actually think that if this team gets in, we may see good things. Don't kid yourself legwand isn't a key factor in us making the playoffs ... I wanted him here but I'm not willing to say thank god we got legwand he really helped us get in .... You can say he plays a 2 way game and all that but fact is we got him here to be a top 6 guy and help us produce goals So far as a redwing he's -7 and registered a point in only 3 games and have now found himself on he 3rd line even with us still missing zetterberg,datsyuk and weiss .... You can spin it any way you'd like but those are the facts We don't get in the playoffs without the brilliance of our kids and some key saves from Howard of late at key times And we might not be at 82 pts without legwand but I'd still say we'd be 78-82 without him ... That's my personal opinion and we'll just never know If jarnkrok can contribute in Nashville with basically no top forwards there , there's no doubt in my mind he would of helped here as well ... Let's not forget he had chemistry with nyquist sheahan Tatar jurco All guys he was a part of with and helped win the Calder cup .... I think he would of had pts in more than 3 games(which is what legwand has) My opinion Edited March 30, 2014 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 You gotta look at it market value wise. If this was like previous trade deadlines it night have seemed to better. But the fact that guys like Vanek a winger and Moulson a winger went for late round draft picks really makes this center trade look bad necessary. fixed. 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 I agree, when I compare Jarnkrok to Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Dats and Z made the Wings 3 seasons after being drafted, and by the ages of 24 and 25, they were both top 5 or leading the team in points. Compare that to Jarnkrok, he's on year 4, and still had a season or 2 before he'd be a Wing. He's 22 now, by the time he'd be in Detroit to stay he'd be 24 or 25. Datsyuk and Zetterberg were getting 60-80 points at the age of 24 and 25. Jarnkrok should have made the Wings already. That's only cause it's detroit you kidding me .... Look at nyquist he's 24 and only getting his full chance now , this crap only happens here .... Sheahan and jurco are only here because of injuries or who knows maybe sheahan would of been the one dealt at the deadline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 Don't kid yourself legwand isn't a key factor in us making the playoffs ... I wanted him here but I'm not willing to say thank god we got legwand he really helped us get in .... You can say he plays a 2 way game and all that but fact is we got him here to be a top 6 guy and help us produce goals So far as a redwing he's -7 and registered a point in only 3 games and have now found himself on he 3rd line even with us still missing zetterberg,datsyuk and weiss .... You can spin it any way you'd like but those are the facts We don't get in the playoffs without the brilliance of our kids and some key saves from Howard of late at key times And we might not be at 82 pts without legwand but I'd still say we'd be 78-82 without him ... That's my personal opinion and we'll just never know If legwand can contribute in Nashville with basically no top forwards there , there's no doubt in my mind he would of helped here as well ... Let's not forget he had chemistry with nyquist sheahan Tatar jurco All guys he was a part of with and helped win the Calder cup .... I think he would of had pts in more than 3 games(which is what legwand has) My opinion legwand didn't help win the calder cup... and if you're talking about iron hook, he didn't really help them very much in the calder cup run.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) legwand didn't help win the calder cup... and if you're talking about iron hook, he didn't really help them very much in the calder cup run..I fixed my post lol ... Iron hook?Ok never mind your right he didn't help win the Calder cup but he still played with nyquist jurco sheahan and was familiar with them not like he'd come to detroit and lack having any chemistry with the kids in my mind I think he would of been more than fine here ... And he plays a 2 way game like legwand does Edited March 30, 2014 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 I fixed my post lol ... Iron hook? Ok never mind your right he didn't help win the Calder cup but he still played with nyquist jurco sheahan and was familiar with them not like he'd come to detroit and lack having any chemistry with the kids in my mind I think he would of been more than fine here ... And he plays a 2 way game like legwand does In English jarnkrok translates to iron hook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 In English jarnkrok translates to iron hook. Ha ... Thx didn't know that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 952 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 It's definetly a sign of things to come ... I was being pissed ...now I just want him to be star , it'll make us think twice next time we think of giving away a top prospect for nothing He was on a major hot streak in the AHL too at the point where he was traded - like 19 points in 16 games. I will always see this as a panic move by Holland to try to make the playoffs. You'd think after Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar all came up and played very well and produced he would have had faith in the farm system and that a high end player like Jarnkrok could pan out too. Now we have nothing at C in GR. To add insult to injury - Calle is a RH C which we haven't had in so long in our Top 6. This This This! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 I don't think the problem with guys like Bert and Cleary is their desire...they're just done physically. Legwand's lack of effort on Vanek's deflection probably cost us a point against Montreal the other night. You're playing in your home town, the team is fighting for a playoff spot and you don't have a contract for next year and that's the effort you provide? In Holland's defense...He knew what he had in Jarnkrok, he knows what he has in guys like Janmark, Nestrasil (playing C in GR, has 17pts in his last 14 games) and Athanasiou (playing LW this year, can play C) so he might regard our depth at C differently than the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 Settle down he isn't going anywhere. And without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot. You have to give up something to get something back. Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?! Kenny's trade proposals are just awful: Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?! Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why? Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?! Kenny's trade proposals are just awful: Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?! Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why? Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break... My true beef is that Kenny said we wouldn't trade our youth at the deadline and especially wouldn't be acquiring a rental... Edited March 30, 2014 by vladdy16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 My beef with Holland and this trade is the same, first he mentioned we aren't going after rentals NOR trading youth and then he goes out and does exactly that. I don't know how thrilled or happy Legwand is but he for sure doesn't show the type of effort people were expecting/hoping to get out of him constantly. This team is fighting for their playoff hopes with a fantastic kid line but the vets need to support them, kids can't do it all alone. My second beef is the way this team is build: there are too many europeans and not enough hardworking NA guys andd I truly believe having more good ol michigan kids would help getting the fanbase excited and more "into it" again. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Tatar, Nyquist but I think the make up of the team should be a bit more NA styled COUPLED with highly skilled euros. Mantha, Sheahan, Dekeyser are good starts. The best Wings teams always had a good mixture of NA guys mixed with some highly talented euros. So I'd rather use Athansiou, Janmark and Marchenko as trade chips in order to get a solid top 4 pairing guy. Its so hard these days finding and enjoying local clubs with local kids, my hometown team is a good example we are still good at it but having way too many foreigners on our roster and our league is just bush league compared to the NHL powerhouse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?! Kenny's trade proposals are just awful: Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?! Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why? Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break... You don't get good players for Ferraro, Callahan, Miller, and a 3rd, which is all a lot of the people screaming to make a trade want to give up. Legwand has been the Pred's best forward pretty much his entire career, and is at worst a second line center. Jarnkrok is a 22 year old prospect who the guys who constantly evaluate their prospects and monitor them far more closely and accurately than anyone outside of the organization, much less a random fan posting on a message board, were comfortable trading for Legwand. This reminds me of the rants we heard every time Matthias or any other prospect the Wings gave up had a good game, until a couple years passed and people realized oh, he's not as good as we thought he'd be. 1 NYC Wings Fanatic reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 You don't get good players for Ferraro, Callahan, Miller, and a 3rd, which is all a lot of the people screaming to make a trade want to give up. Legwand has been the Pred's best forward pretty much his entire career, and is at worst a second line center. Jarnkrok is a 22 year old prospect who the guys who constantly evaluate their prospects and monitor them far more closely and accurately than anyone outside of the organization, much less a random fan posting on a message board, were comfortable trading for Legwand. This reminds me of the rants we heard every time Matthias or any other prospect the Wings gave up had a good game, until a couple years passed and people realized oh, he's not as good as we thought he'd be. This is still different Jarnkrok wa the only prospect with top 6 center potential, nobody said something like that about Mathias. 1 dirtydangles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 maybe this was the deal to help Kenny aquire Weber in a trade? well just a thought lol i still say that we have the russian kid lined up to come over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 maybe this was the deal to help Kenny aquire Weber in a trade? well just a thought lol i still say that we have the russian kid lined up to come over. Great and if he doesn't get his way he is back to the KHL...yxeah a real upgrade on Jarnkrok.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 This is still different Jarnkrok wa the only prospect with top 6 center potential, nobody said something like that about Mathias. Yes they did. Matthias, meanwhile, was ranked the 12th-best prospect in the world by The Hockey News in the magazine’s Future Watch publication in March.http://www.redwingscentral.com/2008/05/26/175/will-2006-draft-class-deliver/ I remember people losing their minds over that trade, just like they're losing their minds over Jarnkrok. Just because he was their best center prospect, that doesn't mean he was truly a legit top line center, and the odds are a lot higher that he's going to be a 40 point a year guy than a guy who's going to come in and come close to a point a game. Let me reiterate that the Wings have employees whose main job is to evaluate their own prospects. I don't care how many good things they've said about the kid in the press, they say good things about every prospect. The fact that they were willing to trade him for Legwand tells me that they weren't nearly as high on him as a lot of the fans are. If they were, they could have moved anyone of a number of other kids instead of him. 2 NYC Wings Fanatic and wings4thecup06 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 Yes they did. I remember people losing their minds over that trade, just like they're losing their minds over Jarnkrok. Just because he was their best center prospect, that doesn't mean he was truly a legit top line center, and the odds are a lot higher that he's going to be a 40 point a year guy than a guy who's going to come in and come close to a point a game. Let me reiterate that the Wings have employees whose main job is to evaluate their own prospects. I don't care how many good things they've said about the kid in the press, they say good things about every prospect. The fact that they were willing to trade him for Legwand tells me that they weren't nearly as high on him as a lot of the fans are. If they were, they could have moved anyone of a number of other kids instead of him. I get what you are trying to say I really do but you know desperate times are calling for desperate actions and once desperation is getting the best out of you...rational thinking takes a backseat. Holland himself said their goal was trying to get defensive help or do nothing but then further injuries happened and Wings had to change their plans. It is what is now but I will say this, I PRAY Jarnkrok becomes a star so a mistake like that won't happen twice. 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 I get what you are trying to say I really do but you know desperate times are calling for desperate actions and once desperation is getting the best out of you...rational thinking takes a backseat. Holland himself said their goal was trying to get defensive help or do nothing but then further injuries happened and Wings had to change their plans. It is what is now but I will say this, I PRAY Jarnkrok becomes a star so a mistake like that won't happen twice. The problem with your argument is that you're starting with it's a mistake, because "GOOD PROSPECT." If he doesn't develop into a top line player, it's not a mistake, it was selling a guy the team cooled on while his value was at its peak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 Maybe Jarnkrok can score a GWG tonight and "help out his old team" by keeping the Caps on the outside looking in. btw: So over this trade. 1 NYC Wings Fanatic reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted March 30, 2014 [quote name="frankgrimes" My second beef is the way this team is build: there are too many europeans and not enough hardworking NA guys andd I truly believe having more good ol michigan kids would help getting the fanbase excited and more "into it" /quote] Michigan boys like Legwand? 1 Son of a Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites