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Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd



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#421 Mckinley25

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:33 PM

 
This kind of baseless speculation doesn't help anything. I mean I have a very hard time believing there is a huge conspiracy against Holland that other teams won't deal with him. 
 
The more realistic possibilities are that A) Holland low balls the other GMs and they won't pull the trigger, or B) That Holland when faced with a fair deal is unwilling to pull the trigger.
 
 
Given the news about Datsyuk this deal stinks of a desperation move on Holland's part. It completely contradicts his stated strategy of not dealing youth  they are high on or high draft picks and especially not for rentals, but trying to deal roster players and depth prospects in what he called a 'hockey trade;.


My point is that there's not enough evidence for speculation. We just don't know what goes on.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:33 PM



Hedge what bets? Even with Legwand they aren't a contender, they still are a bubble team that will have to claw into the playoffs and then will have to play Boston or Pittsburgh with their depleted forwards and ramshackle defense. So instead of having a really good first round pick, they play 4-6 more hockey games than they would have otherwise and draft lower.


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#423 achildr1

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:34 PM

This is why holland should just sit on his hands on deadline day. I think Jarnkrok + 1st could have gotten Edler and actually solved a problem for once. 

Also Holland said he wouldn't make a move for a rental - well that meant jack squat.


Yep...exactly. Jarnkrok is a peice I bet Vancouver would looked at a big part of a Edler deal.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:35 PM

My point is that there's not enough evidence for speculation. We just don't know what goes on.

 

I can tell you based upon what we saw today that Detroit got hosed. I can tell you based upon Holland's own statements and the information available that the deals that were offered for players like Yandle and Jbo (among others) were in the same ballpark as what other teams were asked or actually paid. So I have to believe that Holland is the issue, not the 29 other GMs.


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#425 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:36 PM

Best thing we could of done would of been to put up sheahan with nyquist and Franzen ... And call up jarnkrok to play with Tatar and jurco for the rest of the year see what he can do

But it's ok even if legwand resigns we gave up on a 22 yr old kid with tons of potential for a mid 30s veteran

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#426 wings87

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:36 PM

I'm not a huge lover of prospects or draft picks but after years of inactivity and feeding us bulls*** about how he wasn't going to trade assets for rentals; nobody here can deny that this was too much for a UFA. 

 

I'm going to be rooting for Legwand since I've been a fan of his for years, but I'm not asking Holland for another trade; because he's clearily not good at them anymore. So from now on all I want from Holland is to sign UFA and continue to draft well.


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#427 matt198913

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:36 PM

If everyone is healthy and IF they make the playoffs. Good luck. They will deep at center and we'll see. Legwand could have requested the move. He's from Michigan. He wouldn't be a bad 3rd line 4th line center in the next coming years. Give the move time then evaluate. For now Holland made the best move possible for his current team to make the playoffs.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

I wanted Legwand, but not at the expense of Jarnkrock.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

Yep...exactly. Jarnkrok is a peice I bet Vancouver would looked at a big part of a Edler deal.

 

Except reports said that ownership shut down trading him or Kesler.


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#430 achildr1

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

 
Actual trades made today say pretty much otherwise.


You had to have been watching a different planets deadline day(s) (including yesterday) ...a first and Jarnkrok could very well been the ground work to get a much better player than Legwand.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

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#RedWings prospect C Calle Jarnkrok (to NSH) expendable because behind Sheahan, Andersson. Way down depth chart

 

 

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

The "hockey-trades" on defense were just not there.  Let's not pretend that there were any made today that we missed out on.

 

Andersson, Sheahan, Glendening, Emmerton as our Centermen for the next three weeks made trading for a Center a high priority if making the playoffs for the Detroit Red Wings is a desired result for Holland.  It obviously is.

 

Just because there weren't any D traded, doesn't mean there couldn't have been for the right price. 


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#433 PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

We gave up 2 players one with potential and a pick for someone who A might not even resign(hopefully not) B old C doesn't provide enough scoring to justify the trade

Eaves is a freebee. Anyone could have had him off wavers for nothin'. He does play. Don't act like he's a great value lost. He had no value to anybody, because no one took him for free (Even though I like him a lot as a player and thought he should have been kept over Miller) It's a move that gets him playing in the NHL again



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

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#RedWings prospect C Calle Jarnkrok (to NSH) expendable because behind Sheahan, Andersson. Way down depth chart

 

Bulls***. Any scout would say that Jarnkrok has much more upside than Andersson.



#435 DannyD

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

Holland said he wouldn't make a move for a rental before they shut Pav down and Helm got hurt, then came out and said that because of the injuries their trade day plans had to change, Please stop making dumb accusations. 

 

Sure we can trade for trade the farm for Edler but how does that help if our top 4 C's are Anderrson, Sheahan, Emmerton, Glendening?

 

Also don't you think there is a chance Nashville knows Jarnkrok may go back to Sweden? That's probably why the pick is a little higher than people would've hoped.

 

I highly doubt Vancouver would trade a guy like Edler for a guy they know might not even play in NA next year. Doesn't make sense for them.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 4m

#RedWings prospect C Calle Jarnkrok (to NSH) expendable because behind Sheahan, Andersson. Way down depth chart

 

 

...an echo from Ken's ass

I don't know if the Preds wanted Andersson, but I would have traded him instead of Jarnkrock.



#437 TheDetroitRedWings

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

I'm a little late to the thread. But I like this move. Sure I woulda much rather had Vanek. But in reality with Hank out for the season, Weiss still not healthy, and Datsyuk hurt again, we don't need another winger right now. Legwand will be a perfect 1st line center for us until we get healthier. It's a hell of a lot better than having Andersson center the 1st line, that's for sure.


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#438 DickieDunn

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:40 PM

In the end, Holland made a move that gives the team a good chance at the playoffs while trading a spare forward, a draft pick, and a player who may never have played for the the Red Wings.  If Jarnkrok decides a full time job in Nashville is worth staying for and he develops into a top 6 center, this trade should be viewed as a definitive win for Nashville.  If Jarnkrok bolts or never develops, Detroit wins.

 

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:40 PM

I don't get this line of thinking at all. if Callie made it clear he wasn't going to stay in the AHL next year then why keep him? It's no different than selling an UFA today. Jarnkrok didn't wanna be in GR and the brass didn't think he could play in Detroit at this stage in his career apparently. So what if he plays in Nashville? At least we got SOMETHING for him rather than just watching him leave on a place to Sweden.


Admittedly, My paramaters for Kenny's firing were a bit too broad (he should be fired if iron hook plays a single game for preds). However, unless he bolts to Europe after this season, it's still a bad trade. If he plays for the preds next year, and does well, OR if he stays in the minors for a short stint and is called up, then holland should be fired. Under those scenarios holland either severely misjudged iron hook's talent or he shipped the kid off for trying to take a stand against being kept in the minors until he was out of options.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:40 PM

Immediate, gutcheck reaction to including Järnkrok in this trade: "oh noezzz! he was our #1 ranked prospect last year! Someone called him the next Zetterberg! WE GAVE UP ZETTERBERG FOR LEGWAND!"

 

Now, take a deep breath and look at the trade from a 1000 ft view.

 

Eaves is an obvious throwaway.  I wish him well.  The draft pick stings a bit, especially since it seems like we've been really starting to hit on our early round picks lately.

 

As for Järnkrok, let's state what he does well first.  He's clearly a talented player whom many peg to make it in the NHL.  He's struggled in his first season in North America, but he's been playing really well the past few weeks.  He's an above average skater and good passer.  He's responsible defensively.  He's got upside, obviously.  By all accounts, he's a hard worker who wants to keep getting better.

 

With that said, the Next Zetterberg hype is clearly overblown.  Calle has 99 shots in 57 games - an indication of an extremely tentative shooter.  Detroit has enough of those already.  I've watched a few Griffins games and I've listened to more in-tuned Griffins fans talk about him, and he's clearly not been showing any signs of one who can take things into his own hands and try to score a goal when the time comes - the exact opposite of Zetterberg, who loves to shoot.  Could this skill develop within him eventually?  Sure.  But that's wishful thinking, and I'm sure if Holland, Blashill and co. saw that potential in him, they wouldn't have traded him for a guy who may not be on our roster next season. 

 

He's listed at around 5'10 185, and while that's not unlike the specs of Zeta and Dats, he's still got a ways to go, strength-wise.  A guy with okay speed and a slender frame needs to develop some seriously unique skills to stick in the NHL (think Hudler, who showed he had NHL goal-scoring prowess).  Going by the tape, those skills simply are not there or still a ways from being there.  And if you're not showing those skills in your age-22 season, you're starting to value hope way more than reality at this stage in a prospects career. 

 

Overall, the guy is clearly a talent.  He's not unlike Filppula or Weiss in the sense that he projects as a 2nd-line guy with good passing skills and responsible defense.  He's also not unlike them in the sense that he can't score worth a lick.  We've had enough guys in this mold come through the Wings system, and the results have always been good - just never great.  Things are changing for the Wings, though, with guys like Mantha and Jurco violently assaulting the twine as they've progressed.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Pulkkinen was valued more than Calle by the organization due to his shooting skills.

 

Bottom line:  It is what it is.  The Red Wings are in an extremely desperate situation at center, and getting Legwand helps tremendously to ease some of those concerns.  If you think Järnkrok is the real deal, yeah, this trade kind of sucks.  However, I think you may be slightly reaching on what the hype is all about with him.  He's going to be a good pro, but I don't think he'll be making us regret moving David Legwand for him. 

 

That's enough from me.  Sorry for rambling.


Edited by Huss, 05 March 2014 - 05:41 PM.






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