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#581 darkmanx

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:16 PM

Again, what does he gain by doing this?

 

Short term: The Wings are in a marginally better position to lock up the 8th seed. And again as I keep saying, get bounced by one of the top seeds.

 

Long term: The prospect pool is weaker by a factor of 2. First they lose a top prospect, and second they lose a chance at the highest draft pick since Marty Lapointe. 

 

Seems like a bad deal no matter how you spin it.

 

He is exactly that until he proves anything. Guess there's no such thing as free agency and draft either, the Wings are doomed without a young center.  :dozing:

 

People will forget about this in a couple months. Same thing happened when Pittsburgh traded Morrow away, now they don't even care. It could have been worse, like trading Tatar, Jurco, or Nyquist for something that wouldn't help us either.

 

I wanted Vanek alot, but we don't need wingers and he wouldn't sign here again it's pretty obvious he's going to Minny if they don't lock up Moulson.


Edited by darkmanx, 05 March 2014 - 07:19 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:17 PM

Well better start drafting centers.


Don't you mean trading top prospects for them?

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:21 PM

Guess there's no such thing are free agency either, the Wings are doomed without a young center.


Elite players don't make it to free agency anymore. And if they do, it's a Parise/Suter bidding war.

Young, defensively sound, top 6 centers don't grow on trees.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:21 PM


Helm I don't think can be counted on to be healthy and play a full season. I know he's a fan favorite but he has done us no good. Legwand might turn into Helm's replacement

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:24 PM

Elite players don't make it to free agency anymore. And if they do, it's a Parise/Suter bidding war.

Young, defensively sound, top 6 centers don't grow on trees.

 

Yet Jarnkrok was already elite? Jeez, give him Crosby money already!

 

What if we draft a great potential #1 center with this years draft pick (which is exactly what Jarnkrok was).



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:30 PM

 

Yet Jarnkrok was already elite? Jeez, give him Crosby money already!

 

What if we draft a great potential #1 center with this years draft pick (which is exactly what Jarnkrok was).

 

The chances of drafting an a potential #1 center that will be NHL ready by the time the Wings need him (in the next 4 years) is exponentially lower if they do make the playoffs. Remember it took 4 years to get Jarnkrok and Sheahan to where they are today.  


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:33 PM

If Legwand re-signs for another couple seasons then it will be a very fair price.

 

However if this is a rental and we only get him for around 20 games then it will be a joke.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:33 PM

 

The chances of drafting an a potential #1 center that will be NHL ready by the time the Wings need him (in the next 4 years) is exponentially lower if they do make the playoffs. Remember it took 4 years to get Jarnkrok and Sheahan to where they are today.  

 

I agree, and I am not completely sold on the deal myself. However, some are acting like we just traded Zetterberg for Legwand.

 

Until Jarnkrok plays a #1 center roll, and produces at the NHL level I don't know why people are so upset. He is a legit player, and can hold down the 2nd line when D and Z are back or even move to the 3rd. Wings will most likely be injured again next year, and it will be nice to have him to cover.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:35 PM

*puts on Freud hat*

 

You know what Holland sees in the veterans he signs? Himself. Sort of like Moneyball.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

Next year?:

Z-Dats-Mule (just insane)
Nyquist-Legwand-Alfie (good scoring)
Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar (kids)
Abby-Weiss-Miller (deep 4th line)

Obviously this is an "if theyre all healthy" pipedream. But i think next year that group could win a cup.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

 

Yet Jarnkrok was already elite? Jeez, give him Crosby money already!

 

What if we draft a great potential #1 center with this years draft pick (which is exactly what Jarnkrok was).

 

I didn't mean Jarnkrok was already elite. But if we're splurging on free agency for a top 6 center, I sure hope he'd be elite. Besides, he'd already be at least 27 years old.

 

And you admit that Jarnkrok could be a great potential #1 center. It just doesn't make sense to replace him with an 18 year old in this draft. He'd still be a long ways away and yet another uncertainty. By the time he's ready, both Datsyuk and Zetterberg could be gone.

 

I don't think Jarnkrok will ever end up being a #1 center in this league, but I do think he has the potential to be a better version of Filppula. He's already known to be a great defensive forward and an extremely hard worker. Now we gave him away for Legwand, who may not have a long term future with this team. It's a tough sell to spend money on both Weiss and Legwand next season.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

 

I agree, and I am not completely sold on the deal myself. However, some are acting like we just traded Zetterberg for Legwand.

 

Until Jarnkrok plays a #1 center roll, and produces at the NHL level I don't know why people are so upset. He is a legit player, and can hold down the 2nd line when D and Z are back or even move to the 3rd. Wings will most likely be injured again next year, and it will be nice to have him to cover.

Again, if the Wings are satisfied with being the new mid 2000s flames, and think making the playoffs is enough, they will not be able to draft a center in time to replace Z or D. It will be Nik Lidstrom all over again, where when they retire there is no one remotely able to step into his role.


Edited by Shaman, 05 March 2014 - 07:39 PM.

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#593 darkmanx

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:41 PM

Again, if the Wings are satisfied with being the new mid 2000s flames, and think making the playoffs is enough, they will not be able to draft a center in time to replace Z or D. It will be Nik Lidstrom all over again, where they are retired and there is no one remotely able to step into his role.

 

Hey, can I take a ride in your time machine some time ?


 

I didn't mean Jarnkrok was already elite. But if we're splurging on free agency for a top 6 center, I sure hope he'd be elite. Besides, he'd already be at least 27 years old.

 

And you admit that Jarnkrok could be a great potential #1 center. It just doesn't make sense to replace him with an 18 year old in this draft. He'd still be a long ways away and yet another uncertainty. By the time he's ready, both Datsyuk and Zetterberg could be gone.

 

I don't think Jarnkrok will ever end up being a #1 center in this league, but I do think he has the potential to be a better version of Filppula. He's already known to be a great defensive forward and an extremely hard worker. Now we gave him away for Legwand, who may not have a long term future with this team. It's a tough sell to spend money on both Weiss and Legwand next season.

 

Why ? The cap is going up 7+ million next year and we have lots of room. Legwand probably makes less then 5 million/per if he signs with the Wings.

 

If Legwand doesn't sign with the Wings, it is a disaster I agree.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:42 PM

Again, what does he gain by doing this?

 

Short term: The Wings are in a marginally better position to lock up the 8th seed. And again as I keep saying, get bounced by one of the top seeds.

 

Long term: The prospect pool is weaker by a factor of 2. First they lose a top prospect, and second they lose a chance at the highest draft pick since Marty Lapointe. 

 

Seems like a bad deal no matter how you spin it.

The Wings didn't make that very easy last year for the high seeds.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:42 PM

Next year?:

Z-Dats-Mule (just insane)
Nyquist-Legwand-Alfie (good scoring)
Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar (kids)
Abby-Weiss-Miller (deep 4th line)

Obviously this is an "if theyre all healthy" pipedream. But i think next year that group could win a cup.

 

Weiss on 4th line is a complete waste, he's not that type of player. If Kenny resign Legwand, which I'm sure he'll do, Weiss would need to be traded,which I'm sure he won't do.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

As far as making the playoffs, it's not just a record thing, it's a business thing.  The players make no more money in the playoffs, yet the owners do.  Even if they got swept in the first round, two home games is 2+ million dollars for the organization. 



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

 

Hey, can I take a ride in your time machine some time ?


 

Why ? The cap is going up 7+ million next year and we have lots of room. Legwand probably makes less then 5 million/per if he signs with the Wings.

 

If Legwand doesn't sign with the Wings, it is a disaster I agree.

 

Are you okay with about $10 million committed to Weiss and Legwand?

 

Besides, where does he fit next season if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss and Helm are all healthy?


Edited by Nevermind, 05 March 2014 - 07:49 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

Again, what does he gain by doing this?
 
Short term: The Wings are in a marginally better position to lock up the 8th seed. And again as I keep saying, get bounced by one of the top seeds.
 
Long term: The prospect pool is weaker by a factor of 2. First they lose a top prospect, and second they lose a chance at the highest draft pick since Marty Lapointe. 
 
Seems like a bad deal no matter how you spin it.




There's definitely half a pint of beer in the pint glass: wether it's half full or half empty is up to you.

I'm going with half full. A playoff season missed does not help Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Andy, Weiss , Jurco, and Smith gain valuable playoff experience. Legwand helps us get by until the Calvary returns, then once the playoffs begin, as we saw last year, all bets are off. If healthy, we've actually got a damn good lineup.

Somehow, with no top 20 picks since 1991, our prospects managed to win the Calder Cup and produce the Butterfield winner . Jarnkrok is no Pulkkinen, and it's not like we don't have guys in the pipeline ahead and behind him.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:46 PM

If Legwand re-signs for another couple seasons then it will be a very fair price.

 

However if this is a rental and we only get him for around 20 games then it will be a joke.

 

Thing is, where does Legwand slot into a healthy lineup? Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, Glendening...


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:46 PM

Next year?:

Z-Dats-Mule (just insane)
Nyquist-Legwand-Alfie (good scoring)
Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar (kids)
Abby-Weiss-Miller (deep 4th line)

Obviously this is an "if theyre all healthy" pipedream. But i think next year that group could win a cup.

And where are Helm,Andersson and Glendening?







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