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#601 Nyquistfan14

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

Next year?:

Z-Dats-Mule (just insane)
Nyquist-Legwand-Alfie (good scoring)
Jurco-Sheahan-Tatar (kids)
Abby-Weiss-Miller (deep 4th line)

Obviously this is an "if theyre all healthy" pipedream. But i think next year that group could win a cup.


I prefer....

Z-datsyuk- alfy/helm
Mule-Legwand-nyquist
Abby-Weiss-alfy/helm
Kid line

Could be insane depth, and has the ability to mix and mash all throughout the lineup

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

 

Thing is, where does Legwand slot into a healthy lineup? Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, Glendening...

 

Package Andersson and Weiss for a defenceman? But realistically Glendening and Andersson/Sheahan will probably end up in the AHL, which will re-ignite the Nyquist style debate all over again.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:51 PM

My best guess is that the Wings realized Jarny was never gonna be big enough for the NHL

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:51 PM

 

Thing is, where does Legwand slot into a healthy lineup? Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, Glendening...

On the wing until we have as many centremen out as we have this year.  And then he plays centre again.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:53 PM

There's definitely half a pint of beer in the pint glass: wether it's half full or half empty is up to you.

I'm going with half full. A playoff season missed does not help Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Andy, Weiss , Jurco, and Smith gain valuable playoff experience. Legwand helps us get by until the Calvary returns, then once the playoffs begin, as we saw last year, all bets are off. If healthy, we've actually got a damn good lineup.

Somehow, with no top 20 picks since 1991, our prospects managed to win the Calder Cup and produce the Butterfield winner . Jarnkrok is no Pulkkinen, and it's not like we don't have guys in the pipeline ahead and behind him.

 

Again if mediocrity is okay with you, fine. For me I look at this team and ask two questions:

 

Can this team seriously compete for a Stanley Cup? If yes great. If not then I ask:

 

Has the team increased it's ability to compete for one in the future.

 

This trade doesn't make this team a serious cup contender, and it has hurt the team long term.


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#606 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:54 PM

Are you okay with about $10 million committed to Weiss and Legwand?
 
Besides, where does he fit next season if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss and Helm are all healthy?


Legwand isn't worth 4-5per ....max I'd offer is 3.75 for 2-3 yrs unless we ship off weiss he'd be our 3rd line center

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:54 PM

My best guess is that the Wings realized Jarny was never gonna be big enough for the NHL

Are we talking about the same management that is pretty shocked how good are Tatar-Sheahan-Jurčo :lol:



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:54 PM

We picked up a solid C and didn't give up our top prospect in GR or Europe or the JR's nor did we give up a #1 this year or any of our picks next year when the raft is supposed to be a much deeper class from what I've read.  Hate to see Jarnkrok go, but Nashville wasn't just going to hand us Legwand.

 

The concern I had with Jarnkrok was his size...four years after he's drafted and they're still telling him to get bigger and stronger.  Haven't heard that he's anything but a hard worker, so you have to wonder if he has the frame to add the size and strength needed to excel in North America.  



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:56 PM

 

Again if mediocrity is okay with you, fine. For me I look at this team and ask two questions:

 

Can this team seriously compete for a Stanley Cup? If yes great. If not then I ask:

 

Has the team increased it's ability to compete for one in the future.

 

This trade doesn't make this team a serious cup contender, and it has hurt the team long term.

 

So much can happen in the future, no one knows. It's silly to try and think of what this organization will be in 5-7 years. You don't play for the Stanley Cup in the future, you play for it now.

 

If this team is 100% healthy, we have a great team. As someone posted the lineup earlier, that is some insane depth and talent. When we get injured next year (by when I mean when), we won't have to worry about Anderson playing 1st line anymore either.


Edited by darkmanx, 05 March 2014 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:57 PM

I'll be happy if we get whoever that centre is in the KHL my dad was telling me about and he flourishes under Dats next year. I'm gonna wait to see what happens in the offseason as well. 

I guess you`re reffering to Fyodor Malykhin from Ekaterinburg..plays C and is among the top 10 scorers in the KHL and there were some rumors about him wanting to play here, and also something about RW scouts checking him out lately..thing is, he has a contract for the next 2 years iirc, but his name was the first thing that came to my mind when I read that we lost our top C prospect..or hopefully, at least Janmark comes to GR after his season in the SEL is over and takes Calle`s spot next year, although I`m not sure if this is the plan 


Edited by ahkmed, 05 March 2014 - 08:04 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:59 PM

We gotta hope now mattias janmark turns out to be a stud and Babcock slaps Kenny and stops him for trading him

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:00 PM

 

So much can happen in the future, no one knows. It's silly to try and think of what this organization will be in 5-7 years.

 

If this team is 100% healthy, we have a great team. As someone posted the lineup earlier, that is some insane depth and talent. When we get injured next year (by when I mean when), we won't have to worry about Anderson playing 1st line anymore either.

 

Insane bottom 6 depth, fragile top 6 depth. And a Top 4 defense that has Kyle MF Quinecy in it. This team still has all the exact same flaws it had earlier this season, except now it has less prospect depth. 

 

If this were Ehrhoff you would have had a point, it's not, it's Legwand, who on a healthy Wings teams slots in as a bottom 6 center blocking Andersson, Helm and Sheahan.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:00 PM

There's definitely half a pint of beer in the pint glass: wether it's half full or half empty is up to you.

I'm going with half full. A playoff season missed does not help Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Andy, Weiss , Jurco, and Smith gain valuable playoff experience. Legwand helps us get by until the Calvary returns, then once the playoffs begin, as we saw last year, all bets are off. If healthy, we've actually got a damn good lineup.

Somehow, with no top 20 picks since 1991, our prospects managed to win the Calder Cup and produce the Butterfield winner . Jarnkrok is no Pulkkinen, and it's not like we don't have guys in the pipeline ahead and behind him.

 

Someone who gets it. :)



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:02 PM

 

Insane bottom 6 depth, fragile top 6 depth. And a Top 4 defense that has Kyle MF Quinecy in it. This team still has all the exact same flaws it had earlier this season, except now it has less prospect depth. 

 

If this were Ehrhoff you would have had a point, it's not, it's Legwand, who on a healthy Wings teams slots in as a bottom 6 center blocking Andersson, Helm and Sheahan.

 

Except for the fact that Abby, Cleary and Bertuzzi played top 6 with a healthy team, but somehow Legwand cant. Interesting.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:02 PM

 

Again if mediocrity is okay with you, fine. For me I look at this team and ask two questions:

 

Can this team seriously compete for a Stanley Cup? If yes great. If not then I ask:

 

Has the team increased it's ability to compete for one in the future.

 

This trade doesn't make this team a serious cup contender, and it has hurt the team long term.

 

Trading a prospect who may or may not ever pan out to to be a top 6 forward does not hurt this team in the long run. Especially if word of him talking about going back overseas has any truth to it. 

 

If Holland didn't make a trade, people here would complain. Holland made a trade for a DESPERATE need, people complain. It's more fun to just watch and root for the Wings than it is to complain about every little thing that does or does not happen.I'd hate to see how this board would react if they were Islanders fans.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

 

Trading a prospect who may or may not ever pan out to to be a top 6 forward does not hurt this team in the long run. Especially if word of him talking about going back overseas has any truth to it. 

 

If Holland didn't make a trade, people here would complain. Holland made a trade for a DESPERATE need, people complain. It's more fun to just watch and root for the Wings than it is to complain about every little thing that does or does not happen.I'd hate to see how this board would react if they were Islanders fans.

Desperate need for the next 3 weeks, and in 5 weeks he becomes the 3rd or 4th center on a team that has 7 centers. 

 

And again, the team still has KYLE MF QUINCEY in it's top 4 defensemen. If a top defenseman wasn't a more pressing need than I dont know what is.


Edited by Shaman, 05 March 2014 - 08:07 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:07 PM

We gotta hope now mattias janmark turns out to be a stud and Babcock slaps Kenny and stops him for trading him

hope so, but curious whether that`s in fact what happens..I mean, is he supposed to come over to GR after his season is the SEL ends, or what`s the plan?



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:07 PM

I like .. I think.  



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:07 PM

Desperate need for the next 3 weeks, and in 5 weeks he becomes the 3rd or 4th center on a team that has 7 centers. 

 

And again, the team still has KYLE MF QUIENCY in it's top 4 defensemen. If a top defenseman wasn't a more pressing need than I dont know what is.

 

Which is long enough to potentially save the season and get us into the playoffs. Everyone whining now would do the same thing if we made no moves and missed the playoffs. The sky is always falling no matter what happens.

 

KYLE MF QUINCEY has been playing solid hockey for a while now. I'm sorry he isn't putting up Lidstrom numbers for you to get himself noticed.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:07 PM



 

Again if mediocrity is okay with you, fine. For me I look at this team and ask two questions:

 

Can this team seriously compete for a Stanley Cup? If yes great. If not then I ask:

 

Has the team increased it's ability to compete for one in the future.

 

This trade doesn't make this team a serious cup contender, and it has hurt the team long term.

I will agree with you that this trade really makes us slightly better than before (if that) - however Holland hasn't been the type of GM these past several years to swing a big trade, and there's really nobody he could've gotten without giving up something significant in return.

 

I also don't feel that giving up the players plus the pick for Legwand is gonna hurt this team at all...It's not like Eaves/Jarnkrok/ draft pick are gonna be game breakers, or All Stars.

 

Overall - I'm really indifferent with this move.



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