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#661 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

Holland is being hated on because he wasn't able to steal a player away from another team. It's all Holland's fault that there aren't enough GMs as bad as Garth Snow. Shame on him.


It's not cause he didn't steal a player ... He over payed for legwand ... Pure and simple .... Tsn said the trade went down just before 3pm ... Looks like a Desperation trade by Kenny

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

No ... But with our current situation would it really of hurt us to give him a 20 game trial and see what he does in the nhl?? Do you really believe with all the injuries legwand is gonna make the difference it's us getting into the playoffs or not??

I'd much rather see what jarnkrok does , at worst he shows he's not ready and leaves for Sweden or another team offers him a better chance and we sign legwand In the off season

At best he surprises and shows us he can play .... Tatar also wanted out cause he was fed up of playing in the ahl for 4 seasons .... Look where he's at now ... Sheahan and jurco was also believed not to be ready


should of just given him a try .. That's my opinion

 

Yeah, it probably would have hurt us. There is not enough time to let someone get used to hockey at the NHL level. We need someone who can step in right now and play a solid 2 way game. 

 

I mean, if all our prospects are sooooooo good, we should just trade Dats, Hank, Mule, Weiss, Alfie, and Kronner. Surely we don't need them if all these kids are every day NHL'ers right now. Nobody could call our team old then!



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

I read somewhere today that Vancouver wanted nyquist, Tatar, mantha and our 1st in 2014 for Kessler. I don't have the "source" at hand but that was said to be the ask for him.


I heard Babcock and the assistant coaches had to stop Kenny by tieing him up to his chair and when Kenny wouldn't stop whining they allowed him to make the legwand trade

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

There's no guarantee that even if he played in the NHL that he'd stay in NA.  I think there's a perception by North Americans that everyone else in the world wants to be here.  If he can play at home, still make a good living, play a lot less games, in a much less physical environment, why not? 



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

Well the price for the other big names moved today speaks that Ken had to make a better deal in Legwand trade.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Hard to judge the going rate on players through trade based on what Garth Snow gift wraps players for. 

 

Plus, Vanek is gonna test the market. Legwand wants to be here and will most likely help this team beyond this year.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:56 PM

Yeah, it probably would have hurt us. There is not enough time to let someone get used to hockey at the NHL level. We need someone who can step in right now and play a solid 2 way game. 
 
I mean, if all our prospects are sooooooo good, we should just trade Dats, Hank, Mule, Weiss, Alfie, and Kronner. Surely we don't need them if all these kids are every day NHL'ers right now. Nobody could call our team old then!

Nice exaggeration there , let's trade all our stars ... If anything we have Way too many bottom 6 guys ... And Im Sorry legwand will not be the difference in us getting in the playoffs or not


Like you said about kesler .... Legwand is not the 2nd coming of Christ

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 05 March 2014 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:57 PM

It's not cause he didn't steal a player ... He over payed for legwand ... Pure and simple .... Tsn said the trade went down just before 3pm ... Looks like a Desperation trade by Kenny

 

Nobody is saying it wasn't a desperation move. He found out he lost Dats for 3 weeks. He had to do something to give this team a fighting chance so he did. Teams don't get players for cheap when it is known they are desperate. It has always been that way. Welcome to sports.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:57 PM


Wings were in on Kessler. Vancouver didn't trade him. They needed to make a trade for a center or pack it in. Ownership mandates the Wings push for the playoffs, Holland made the move he had to make.


 
The Ownership is in Lakeland Florida right now. 


You're right. And it's not like they have some kind of device that would let them communicate with Holland. Gotta wait for those pony express riders.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:59 PM

Nice exaggeration there , let's trade all our stars ... If anything we have Way too many bottom 6 guys ... And Im Sorry legwand will not be the difference in us getting in the playoffs or not


Like you said about kesler .... Legwand is not the 2nd coming of Christ

 

Nobody is asking Legwand to be the second coming of Christ. He is expected to come in and help keep this team competitive while people heal up. If you'd rather have Andersson centering the first line, maybe you should root for the Islanders?



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:00 PM

Nobody is saying it wasn't a desperation move. He found out he lost Dats for 3 weeks. He had to do something to give this team a fighting chance so he did. Teams don't get players for cheap when it is known they are desperate. It has always been that way. Welcome to sports.


Well I wouldn't of done it then .... Jarnkrok type prospects should be used in a deal for a proven top 4 dman or a top forward not for 3rd line centers

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:00 PM

I didn't bother to read 34 pages of what I'm sure is bitching but I'm fine with this. With the injury bug biting us again, this could help stop the bleeding. Everyone wants Kenny to make a trade but they never want to give up any prospects. Jarnkrok could turn out to be nothing or a star. We don't know and neither do the Preds. That's how trades work. It's a gamble but as of today it helps the Wings and I would rather make the playoffs than miss them because we didn't make a move with our plethora of prospects.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:01 PM

 

Yeah, it probably would have hurt us. There is not enough time to let someone get used to hockey at the NHL level. We need someone who can step in right now and play a solid 2 way game. 

 

I mean, if all our prospects are sooooooo good, we should just trade Dats, Hank, Mule, Weiss, Alfie, and Kronner. Surely we don't need them if all these kids are every day NHL'ers right now. Nobody could call our team old then!

well if you`d just try to remember the roster situation from november until the end of january, I guess you could come up with a period of games where he could actually fill a spot for our injured C`s, you know, same way Sheahan, Glendening, Emmerton and Anderson did..some of them played  in 2nd/3rd line roles..so there`s that hurting us angle



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:03 PM

Nobody is asking Legwand to be the second coming of Christ. He is expected to come in and help keep this team competitive while people heal up. If you'd rather have Andersson centering the first line, maybe you should root for the Islanders?


Well sorry but legwand isn't gonna be the difference maker In whether we make the playoffs or not

I would of just let jarnkrok play the remainder of the season .... That's just my opinion ....you like the trade , I think it's horrible

I wanted legwand cause I didn't think the price would cost too much but jarnkrok is an overpayment .... My opinion

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:07 PM

Well I wouldn't of done it then .... Jarnkrok type prospects should be used in a deal for a proven top 4 dman or a top forward not for 3rd line centers

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make

 

Jarnkrok isn't gonna get those types of players. Guys like Nyquist who already prove they can play in this league gets those kinds of players. Mantha gets those kind of players. People over value the prospects way too much. Jarnkrok is unproven. If he pans out, good for him. At this point he is as likely to be a bust as he is likely to be a good first line player. 


well if you`d just try to remember the roster situation from november until the end of january, I guess you could come up with a period of games where he could actually fill a spot for our injured C`s, you know, same way Sheahan, Glendening, Emmerton and Anderson did..some of them played  in 2nd/3rd line roles..so there`s that hurting us angle

 

We also struggled dearly during these times and slipped out of a playoff spot. They needed someone proven to help out right now, and we got it. 

 

That isn't a fault on these players. They have played well. But they are effective right now in the bottom 6. They don't have the experience to play against opponents best players night in and night out. Legwand does.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:07 PM

There's no guarantee that even if he played in the NHL that he'd stay in NA.  I think there's a perception by North Americans that everyone else in the world wants to be here.  If he can play at home, still make a good living, play a lot less games, in a much less physical environment, why not? 

I think that's the perception because he has already come to North America and is willing to play in a league here that's inferior to the NHL.  If he really did want to play back home, I'd think he'd never have come over.


Edited by Zetts, 05 March 2014 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

Fischer seemed to think Jarnkrok was possibly our best prospect:

 

 

“He’s certainly one of our most talented, if not the most talented prospect,” Fischer said.

“Not to take anything away from others like Anthony Mantha, but Calle, the stuff he can do – he is as good as anybody in terms of hand-eye coordination and skill in tight places.

“He makes plays and it’s just a matter of time until he really starts putting up big numbers.”




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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

 

LGW right now:

 

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Not really sure you want a part of this.

 

No I think it's just you, nyquististhefuture and to a lesser extent pucktividi.

 

This whole thread has just turned into one huge rant for you guys.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

Another thing...remember mess at the beginning of the season with zillion wingers tootoo,bert,cleary,eaves,sammy,tatar,nyquist...

 

I'm afraid we're gonna have the same mess next season,but that time with centers.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:09 PM

Well sorry but legwand isn't gonna be the difference maker In whether we make the playoffs or not

I would of just let jarnkrok play the remainder of the season .... That's just my opinion ....you like the trade , I think it's horrible

I wanted legwand cause I didn't think the price would cost too much but jarnkrok is an overpayment .... My opinion

 

I'm not even saying that opinion is wrong. My only point is that it is too soon to get upset about it. It could take a few years to find out if this trade is good or not. 



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:11 PM

Jarnkrok isn't gonna get those types of players. Guys like Nyquist who already prove they can play in this league gets those kinds of players. Mantha gets those kind of players. People over value the prospects way too much. Jarnkrok is unproven. If he pans out, good for him. At this point he is as likely to be a bust as he is likely to be a good first line player. 
 

It's not that long ago nyquist wasn't expected to be anything special ... Tatar the same .... No one was sure of Sheahan and jurco

Sometimes you just need a chance to play .... If not for all the injuries Tatar might be dealt by now and maybe others for all we know

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 05 March 2014 - 09:14 PM.






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