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#921 MTU_Huskies963

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:22 PM

Also, another point...in trade deadlines past, I think it would have been appropriate to pay a premium (Jarnkrok + 2nd/3rd) for a pending UFA like Legwand.
 
However, this trade deadline, the prices were relatively low. In that sense, we overpaid compared to other teams--especially since Legwand had a NTC and obviously wanted to come here.


The price was based on our needs. The preds knew that we needed a center desperately. You can't really base it on the other prices around the league.

Side note:I remember when the wings traded ville leino, and how high he was regarded in the wings organization at the time. They are just prospects, they come and go.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:22 PM

Also, another point...in trade deadlines past, I think it would have been appropriate to pay a premium (Jarnkrok + 2nd/3rd) for a pending UFA like Legwand.
 
However, this trade deadline, the prices were relatively low. In that sense, we overpaid compared to other teams--especially since Legwand had a NTC and obviously wanted to come here.


Ya the price was a bit steep, but so far it's paid off, and not all gms are as dumb as Gillis, snow, and Murray. Abd considering legwand was the only center available he was our only option unless we wanted to pay through the roof for Kessler. Poile knew this and smartly out waited Holland.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:23 PM


so, when Holland doesn't pull the trigger on a trade cause the price is too high, everyone criticizes him for not making any moves, and that he shouldn't be afraid to trade a couple prospects for proven roster players. When he does exactly that everyone gets mad that he trade a prospect. Do you really think any gm would trade a top 6 center for ferraro or emmerton? we were lucky to dump eaves on them in the trade. Legwand has been very good in his first two games as a wing, and judging by interviews he has really been enjoying playing with goose and mule, sorry but we needed a center who could produce in the nhl now, and I am happy that Holland pulled the trigger, we needed a guy like legwand, I like the way he plays



Again like legwand , wanted him here .... But if I heard we didn't get him cause it would of cost jarnkrok I wouldn't of been upset .... And yes legwand was a top 6 guy in Nashville on a good team he'd be a Great number 3 center , in a perfect scenario he'd be our 3rd center

And maybe we couldn't of gotten him for Ferraro but I think 2 2nds and eaves would of made it happen


I'm sorry about that guys don't know what happened

Edited by MabusIncarnate, 08 March 2014 - 04:15 PM.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:48 PM


so, when Holland doesn't pull the trigger on a trade cause the price is too high, everyone criticizes him for not making any moves, and that he shouldn't be afraid to trade a couple prospects for proven roster players. When he does exactly that everyone gets mad that he trade a prospect. Do you really think any gm would trade a top 6 center for ferraro or emmerton? we were lucky to dump eaves on them in the trade. Legwand has been very good in his first two games as a wing, and judging by interviews he has really been enjoying playing with goose and mule, sorry but we needed a center who could produce in the nhl now, and I am happy that Holland pulled the trigger, we needed a guy like legwand, I like the way he plays



Again like legwand , wanted him here .... But if I heard we didn't get him cause it would of cost jarnkrok I wouldn't of been upset .... And yes legwand was a top 6 guy in Nashville on a good team he'd be a Great number 3 center , in a perfect scenario he'd be our 3rd center

And maybe we couldn't of gotten him for Ferraro but I think 2 2nds and eaves would of made it happen


I'm sorry about that guys don't know what happened

How do we know what Holland was offering. They wanted a center to replace the center they lost, he could have said to Holland, it's jarnkrok or nothing



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:58 PM

I doubt that this package was the initial offer.  If I was Nashville, I'd want Tatar, Nyquist, or Jurco before I asked for Jarnkrok.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:00 PM

How do we know what Holland was offering. They wanted a center to replace the center they lost, he could have said to Holland, it's jarnkrok or nothing

 

Exactly. Trades take two sides, if Poile wasn't interested in anything but Jarnkrok then that's exactly what you give up.

 

So glad some people on here are not GM's.


I doubt that this package was the initial offer.  If I was Nashville, I'd want Tatar, Nyquist, or Jurco before I asked for Jarnkrok.

 

This is probably exactly how the talks started.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:09 PM

How do we know what Holland was offering. They wanted a center to replace the center they lost, he could have said to Holland, it's jarnkrok or nothing

Like I said I would of called his bluff and if they said no I just wouldn't of done the deal and I'd try my luck July 1 .... But hey that's just me

Trade deadline day is all a game of chicken

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 08 March 2014 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

Can someone please list these teams that have Legwand caliber players as their number 3 centers? How is Legwand a number 3 center? Where in the world do you people come up with these conclusions..... Does anyone have any idea what a number 3 center looks like on 98% of the NHL teams? Who has a number 3 center anywhere close to Legwand? I guess maybe the Sharks if they use Pavelski as their 3, which I don't seem them do very often.

Legwands just a number 3 huh? I would say he is one of the better number twos in the league and capable of holding down a first line. Which hmmm, is exactly what we needed isn't it? I don't know of to many teams that have an Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Nyquist, AND a Legwand plus a Tatar a Helm and a Weiss who cannot be ruled out. I would say we have a really good team if we are healthy. Like extremely good. We have eight guys who would all land at least somewhere in the top 6 best forwards on pretty much any team. Let's all wine about how bad our team sucks some more

Want to know who is a number 3? Helm is he is a very good number 3 in this league, and Legwand is a much better hockey player.


Edited by wingslionstigers, 08 March 2014 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:12 PM

Still think we could of had legwand without giving up jarnkrok or another top prospect ....my opinion

 

if only you were nashville's gm.... 


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:14 PM

Like I said I would of called his bluff and if they said no I just wouldn't of done the deal and I'd try my luck July 1 .... But hey that's just me

Trade deadline day is all a game of chicken

 

Not if your boss told you that you needed to get a deal done to shore up the center spot because the priority was making the playoffs.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#931 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:17 PM

Not if your boss told you that you needed to get a deal done to shore up the center spot because the priority was making the playoffs.


Last I heard his boss was in the hospital so I doubt it but I get your point ... We'll. ever know if that happened or not

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:17 PM

Still think we could of had legwand without giving up jarnkrok or another top prospect ....my opinion

 

 

Because Jarnkrok was so good he managed to put up 2 points in 18 games in two years with the Sweden WC A team? Yeah your right he was the next Crosby for sure.......... Wait no he wasn't.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:20 PM

if only you were nashville's gm....

Ya that made sense .... They got one of our top prospects .... Think you meant out say detroits gm

Because Jarnkrok was so good he managed to put up 2 points in 18 games in two years with the Sweden WC A team? Yeah your right he was the next Crosby for sure.......... Wait no he wasn't.


Yes cause I said he was gonna be Crosby

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 08 March 2014 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:20 PM

Last I heard his boss was in the hospital so I doubt it but I get your point ... We'll. ever know if that happened or not

 

He's recovering, not necessarily in the hospital.  Even if he was, there are these things called telephones that allow people to communicate over long distances.  


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:23 PM

He's recovering, not necessarily in the hospital.  Even if he was, there are these things called telephones that allow people to communicate over long distances.



HA .... Like I said well never know

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:25 PM

 

Yes cause I said he was gonna be Crosby

Then what was he going to be that made him way to valuable to be traded in a Legwand deal? Why don't you look at the WC A stats of some good players or better yet Swedish players and tell me the difference. Guys that go big in the NHL perform on the WC stage. He lost value because of his performance there. Jarnkrok was a good prospect, a couple years ago. He never really developed to his potential and there is no reason to assume there is even a good chance that he will end up doing so at this point. Jarnkrok certainly will make the NHL but its likely to be as a 3rd or 4th center at this point. He had no chance to make the Wings roster in the for see able future.

When are we ever going to need a 3rd or 4th center? With all the players we have, Sheahan, Helm, Weiss, Datsyuk, Andersson, Legwand (likely to be resigned)... We should have kept him in the AHL for 5 years? Our team is almost fully re-tooled don't think there is going to be a big change of hands like there has been the past year. That doesn't happen very often


Edited by wingslionstigers, 08 March 2014 - 03:27 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:38 PM

Then what was he going to be that made him way to valuable to be traded in a Legwand deal? Why don't you look at the WC A stats of some good players or better yet Swedish players and tell me the difference. Guys that go big in the NHL perform on the WC stage. He lost value because of his performance there. Jarnkrok was a good prospect, a couple years ago. He never really developed to his potential and there is no reason to assume there is even a good chance that he will end up doing so at this point. Jarnkrok certainly will make the NHL but its likely to be as a 3rd or 4th center at this point. He had no chance to make the Wings roster in the for see able future.
When are we ever going to need a 3rd or 4th center? With all the players we have, Sheahan, Helm, Weiss, Datsyuk, Andersson, Legwand (likely to be resigned)... We should have kept him in the AHL for 5 years? Our team is almost fully re-tooled don't think there is going to be a big change of hands like there has been the past year. That doesn't happen very often

Like I said think we could of had more than legwand .... He Could of been used As a key piece to get a defensemen .... Your happy that's all that matters ... If jarnkrok becomes a real good nhl player though I just don't wanna see the same people here happy with the trade complain about it after that's all

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 08 March 2014 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

Ya that made sense .... They got one of our top prospects .... Think you meant out say detroits gm

 

no, i meant nashville's. if nashville's GM thought we could have gotten legwand without giving up at least jarnkrok+, then we probably would have. 

 

 

of course we were going to overpay for the guy though, because the preds didn't have to get rid of him.. 


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:47 PM

no, i meant nashville's. if nashville's GM thought we could have gotten legwand without giving up at least jarnkrok+, then we probably would have. 
 
 
of course we were going to overpay for the guy though, because the preds didn't have to get rid of him..


He's a gm he did his job .... His job was to try to get the most for his asset which he succeeded .... Our gms job was to try to accomplish the trade without giving up too much which we failed ... My opinion

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:50 PM

He's a gm he did his job .... His job was to try to get the most for his asset which he succeeded .... Our gms job was to try to accomplish the trade without giving up too much which we failed ... My opinion

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but because they didn't have to trade him, we had to offer the preds something they couldn't refuse.

 

and hollands job was to get the deal done.. "not giving up too much" would have just been a bonus. 


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